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    Post  OminousSpudd Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:04 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
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    x_54_u43 wrote:The actual fuck?

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    Man, I need to sort through the 500gb of military info on my hard drives. Who else knows what I have in there.

    This: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/40gECrmuCaU/maxresdefault.jpg much?

    Exactly what I thought, maybe they are developing their own version. Would be really cool to see though, we get a machine gun on ours.

    Apparently the US has scrapped their's http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-army-scraps-42m-darpa-robot-being-too-noisy-1535185

    So now it's just Russia... with guns. Heh.
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    Post  Project Canada Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:01 pm

    Russia's Ferocious 4-Legged Metal 'Lynx' to Feature Guns and Missiles

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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:48 am

    Generated in Russia biomorphic (similar animal on four legs) robot "Lynx" can be equipped with not only a machine gun, and anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), said in an interview with RIA Novosti CEO develops "Trot" enterprises - Institute "Signal" - Vladimir Shashok.
    "As part of a project - development work," Lynx "- we create multifunctional biomorphic robotics system The robot will have four legs, that is, it will be like a kind of four-legged creature." - Shashok said.
    According to him, considered three options payload: reconnaissance robot, robot combat support and the robot for carrying cargo.
    "fighting robot, is likely to be equipped with a machine gun, is possible to install anti-tank", - said director general.
    In the Russian counterparts of the project "not at all", said the source agency. Employment Initiative, carried out at the expense of the company, added Shashok.
    I delve into the documentation, and that's more details on the topic.
    Excerpts from the terms of reference for an open competition for the right to conclude an agreement on part of the development work on the topic "Basic Mobile Platform biomorphic robot":


    Code SCH OCD "Lynx-BP".
    Customer - JSC "VNII" Signal ", Kovrov.
    General Customer - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    The aim is to develop a basic platform for mobile travel biomorphic robots, including in a complex environment nedeteminirovannoy.
    Average mobile base platform biomorphic robot weighing up to 400 kg
    full name - base platform mobile biomorphic robot weighing up to 400 kg.
    The abbreviated name - BPMBR400.
    The structure BPMRB400 should include:
    platform,
    traffic control equipment,
    power supply system,
    the robot lifting equipment after capsizing;
    software package.
    The platform should include:
    a housing;
    4 lever propulsion,
    propulsion drives.
    Target load determines the functionality.
    In BPMBR400 must be installed one of the payloads:
    - reconnaissance;
    - platform transportation of ammunition and ammunition;
    - means the evacuation of dead and wounded from the battlefield;
    - reconnaissance minefields;
    - means of arms.
    When set to BPMBR400 ammunition transportation platform and ammunition total weight of ammunition and ammunition should be up to 200 kg.
    BPMBR400 with established systems and equipment control and target load, including a loaded platform transportation of ammunition and ammunition should provide:
    - movement in the urban environment infrastructure for concrete, asphalt, marble, wood and dirt playground and a sand cover to a depth of 100 mm
    - travel over rough and rugged terrain in the ice-covered ground, on fallen leaves, the grass up to 1 m, the snow depth up to 400 mm in the rain, on the water-covered surfaces to a depth of 400 mm
    - travel around the highlands and destroyed urban infrastructure, industrial plants, in industrial and residential areas;
    - to overcome:
    - thresholds of up to 500 mm high
    - staircases industrial buildings and structures with an angle of inclination to 30 °, and step height 200 mm
    - pit width up to 500 mm
    - wall to the height of 400 mm and a width of 300 mm
    - speed of fully equipped with payload:
    - up to 15 km / h when driving on flat terrain;
    - up to 10 km / h when driving on rough terrain.
    - stable movement on a horizontal surface with the preservation of the original platform position;
    - the rise in running on an inclined surface with an angle of 40 °;
    - turn on the spot with a change in the position of not more than 1 m
    - adapt the position of support surfaces of the complex, according to the terrain in the automatic mode;
    - stable position when using complex active systems do not force action exceeding 150 N,
    - movement on a surface with bearing capacity greater than 0.2 N / mm² (sandy loam saturated with moisture (plastic));
    - the preservation of sustainable, restored the situation with short-term exposure (t = 0,2 c) to the base platform with a force of 150 N;
    - lowering body BPMBR400 ground with sustainable position and the possibility of subsequent recovery .
    BPMBR400 functioning must be controlled by on-board information and control systems and equipment planning of routes and movements in the motion control modes: remote, semi-autonomous, stand-alone and following the beacon (guide).
    BPMBR400 should provide translation time
    - from the transport position in the battle - no more than 1 minute
    - from combat to transport position - no more than 2 minutes.
    Weight fitted and refilled MBR400 should be no more than 400 kg.
    Total weight of ammunition and ammunition transported MBR400 should be up to 200 kg.
    Dimensions BPMBR400 without payload and antennas should not exceed:
    - in a combat situation - no more than 2000h1000h1200 mm;
    - in transport position - no more 2000h1000h600 mm.
    Equipment traffic control shall ensure the termination of the movement and the transition to the standby operator command mode in the following cases:
    - a collision with an insurmountable obstacle;
    - excess roughness soil surface compared with the values ​​valid for the work;
    - exceeding the permissible angles of pitch and roll BPMBR400.
    - Inadmissible bearing characteristics of the ground.
    The operator must be transferred to posts about the reasons for stopping.
    MBR400 lifting equipment after tipping should provide reset MBR400 after tipping "to the side" - MBR400 turn to an angle of 90 °, in particular, with the transported ammunition and ammunition.
    The structure of the apparatus of power should include:
    - a stand-alone electric plant on an internal combustion engine with a remote control,
    - batteries,
    - control units, switching and protection;
    - the fuel tank.
    The equipment power supply should provide hardware and equipment powered with a positive power balance under all specified conditions . operation, including at a height of 3000 m above sea level
    equipment supply should provide power to consumers MBR400 by:
    - generating set in motion, and in the parking lot - at least 24 hours (with refueling);
    - from the battery:
    - in the movement of at least 0 , 5 chasa;
    - stationary - at least 5 hours,
    - a standby - not less than 6 hours.
    It shall be recharging the batteries during operation of the electric plant. It shall be charging of the batteries from the charging device (from the remote control).
    It must be possible from the power MBR400 bortseti remote control and from the industrial mains voltage of 380/220 (10% - 15%) at a frequency of 1 Hz to 50 (GOST 11295-65 ) through a voltage converter, which must be included with the ZIP-G.
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    Basic platform mobile biomorphic robot weighing up to 100 kg.
    Full Name - Base Platform mobile biomorphic robot weighing up to 100 kg.
    The abbreviated name - BPMBR100.
    The platform should include:
    - housing;
    - 4 lever propulsion;
    - hydraulic propulsion.
    BPMBR100 should serve as a basis for the creation of mobile biomorphic robot by installing it and control equipment and payload:
    - on-board information and control system
    - equipment vision;
    - data transmission equipment;
    - equipment navigation and orientation;
    - equipment routes and movement planning :
    - equipment for traffic control beacon (guide);
    - the target load.
    On BPMBR100 must be installed one of the payloads:
    - reconnaissance;
    - transportation of ammunition and ammunition platform;
    - reconnaissance minefields;
    - means of arms.
    When set to BPMBR100 ammunition transportation platform and ammunition total weight of ammunition and ammunition should be up to 60 kg.
    BPMBR100 with installed systems, equipment control and target load, including a loaded platform transportation of ammunition and ammunition should provide:
    - movement in the urban environment infrastructure for concrete, asphalt, marble, wood, dirt playground and a sand cover to a depth of 100 mm;
    - the movement of cross-country on solid ground in icy conditions on fallen leaves, the grass height of 0.5 m, a depth of snow 200 mm, in the rain, on the water-covered surfaces to a depth of 300 mm
    - to overcome:
    - thresholds of up to 400 mm;
    - staircases industrial buildings and structures with a slope of 300 and a height of step 200 mm
    - ditch width of up to 400 mm
    - wall to the height of 300 mm and width up to 200 mm;
    - speed of movement is fully equipped with a payload of:
    - up to 15 km / h when driving on flat terrain;
    . - up to 10 km / h when driving on rough terrain
    - stable motion on a horizontal surface with preservation of the original platform position;
    - the rise in running on an inclined surface with an angle of 40 °;
    - turn on the spot with a change in position of not more than 1 m
    - adapt the position of support surfaces of the complex, according to the terrain automatically ;
    - a stable position when using complex active systems with force action no more than 150 N;
    - movement on the surface of the bearing capacity with more than 0.2 N / mm² (sandy loam saturated with moisture (plastic));
    - the preservation of sustainable, restored the situation with short-term exposure (t = 0,2 c) to the base platform with a force of 150 N;
    - lowering MBR100 body on the ground with a sustainable position and the possibility of subsequent recovery.
    BPMBR100 functioning must be controlled by on-board information and control systems and equipment planning of routes and modes of movement in motion control: remote, semi-autonomous, stand-alone and following the beacon (guide).
    BPMBR100 should provide translation time
    - from the transport position in the battle - no more than 1 minute
    - from combat to transport position - no more than 2 minutes.
    Weight fitted and refilled MBR100 should be no more than 120 kg.
    Total weight of ammunition and ammunition transported MBR100 should be up to 60 kg.
    Dimensions BPMBR100 without payload and antennas should not exceed:
    - in a combat situation - no more than 1500 x 800 x 1000 mm;
    - in transport position - no more than 1500 x 800 x 400 mm.
    Equipment traffic control shall ensure the termination of the movement and the transition to the standby operator command mode in the following cases:
    - a collision with an insurmountable obstacle;
    - excess roughness soil surface compared with the values ​​valid for the work;
    - exceeding the permissible angles of pitch and roll BPMBR400.
    - Inadmissible bearing characteristics of the ground.
    The operator must be transferred to posts about the reasons for stopping.
    MBR100 lifting equipment after tipping should provide reset MBR100 after tipping "to the side" - MBR100 turn to an angle of 90 °, in particular, with the transported ammunition and ammunition.
    Equipment supply should provide hardware and equipment powered with a positive power balance under all specified operating conditions, including at an altitude of 3000 m above sea level.
    The equipment power supply should provide power to consumers MBR100 by:
    - generating set in motion, and in the parking lot - at least 24 hours (with refueling)
    - batteries from:
    - a movement of at least 0.5 hours,
    - stationary - at least 5 hours,
    - a standby - not less than 6 hours.
    Equipment supply should provide:
    - catering starter circuit of the electric plant from the battery apparatus of power
    - manual and remote starting and stopping of the electric plant
    - manual, automatic and remote connection of the electric plant to bortseti ICBM
    - automatic disconnection of consumers from the electric plant during his run
    - connection and disconnecting batteries bortseti ICBM
    - IDB consumer power from the external DC power supply with an output voltage of 27,5 ± 1,0 in the condition that the batteries are connected to bortseti ICBM
    - the formation of the output voltages for the power supply of consumers with quality, relevant GOST RV 20.39.309-98;
    - consumer protection power circuits against overload, short circuits and of polarity;
    - disconnecting the battery from bortseti at lower battery voltage of less than 22.5 - 0.5
    It shall be recharging the batteries during operation of the electric plant. It shall be charging of the batteries from the charging device (from the remote control).
    It should be possible MBR100 bortseti power from the remote control and on the industrial network pressure 380/220 - At a frequency of 50 Hz 1 (GOST 11295-65 (10%, 15%) ) through a voltage converter, which must be included with the ZIP-G.
    ------
    Radio-electronic means of EMC, interference immunity and electronic disguise must comply with the requirements of GOST RV 20.39.309-98.
    Data communication components BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) must provide their electromagnetic compatibility and function properly in the conditions of intentional and unintentional interference.
    BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) should be resistant to the influence of the EMF of natural and artificial origin in accordance with GOST RV 20.39.308-98.
    In resistance, durability and resistance to external influencing factors BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) must meet the requirements of GOST RV 20.39.304-98 Group 1.4.1 On execution (including p.4.16 for BPMBR100) with the following details:
    - low temperature:
    - Operating - minus 40 ° C;
    - maximum - minus 40 ° C
    - increased temperature:
    - operating - plus 50 ° C;
    - maximum - + 50 ° C
    - ambient temperature changes from -40 ° to + 50 ° C.
    Requirements for resistance to the components of rocket fuel and aggressive media and molds will be charged.
    Mean time BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) between failures should be not less than 1500 hours.
    Notes:
    1. The criterion for failure is the inability to further use BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) to destination without repair.
    Average recovery time uptime BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) using the composition of the ZIP-O and a set of spare parts group (APP-D) should be no more than 2.5 hours without taking into account the delivery time a replaceable part.
    Middle BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) share must not be less than 1000 hours.
    The average term of service BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) not less than 5 years.
    The average term persistence BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) must be at least 10 years.
    Time of continuous operation BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) must be at least 24 hours.
    Shelf life BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) under unheated storage (temperature from -35 ° to + 45 ° C at a relative humidity of up to 85%) should be 10 years, including one year in the field in a standard container.
    In BPMBR400 design (BPMBR100) must be provided for the applicability of standard and borrowed parts and assemblies.
    The nomenclature used brands and assortment of materials should be minimal.
    The applied oils, lubricants and fluids should be in the nomenclature adopted for the supply of troops.
    BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) should be based on a modular principles to ensure the replacement of assets, components and assemblies in the event of failure to possess the necessary harmonization of the composition of hardware, features in common, system-wide software, information and linguistic support
    Used in BPMBR400 design (BPMBR100) paints and electroplating must not support combustion when exposed to flame and to provide corrosion resistance devices during storage and operation in the BPMBR400 (BPMBR100).
    BPMBR400 Design (BPMBR100) must exclude the possibility of incorrect wiring harnesses connectors.
    BPMBR400 Design ( BPMBR100) should provide the ability to install armor.
    When developing BPMBR400 (BPMBR100) should be used raw materials and electric articles of domestic production.
    Completing electrical radio must be used in accordance with the lists, permitting their use in products for military use.
    The use of imported elemental base produced in the prescribed manner.
    Step 1. Development of sketched-technical project. Development, manufacturing and BPMBR400 layout test to confirm the decisions taken at the stage of draft technical design and definition of TK reachability requirements.
    Period - August 2015 - November 2016
    Phase 2: Development of design documentation for the prototyping of mobile platforms biomorphic robots.
    Term - December 2016 - July 2017
    Phase 3: Production of the prototypes of mobile platforms biomorphic robots and conduct preliminary tests.
    The term - August 2017 - December 2018
    Phase 4. Participation in the State tests of the prototype.
    Term - January 2019 - June 2019
    *****
    After many desirable characteristics in the documentation specified "Conditions and characteristics ... are specified at the stage of development of conceptual and technical project."

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    Post  Arctic_Fox Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:35 pm

    Fighting robots:
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    Post  Arctic_Fox Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:18 pm

    Russian "Lynx"

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    Post  zg18 Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:26 pm

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    Exoskeleton

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    Post  Zivo Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:31 pm

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    Why is russia taking the same failed path as Boston Dynamics?
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:57 pm

    Good question.

    If they are going for walkers then do it real big and make a god damn Metal Gear and if they fail they at least have the highest ambitions instead of wasting money for the worst concepts out there.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:08 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Good question.

    If they are going for walkers then do it real big and make a god damn Metal Gear and if they fail they at least have the highest ambitions instead of wasting money for the worst concepts out there.

    Why do you thing walking robots is the worst concept? It is technically challenging but somehow evolution made animal run on 4s not roll on wheels


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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:13 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Good question.

    If they are going for walkers then do it real big and make a god damn Metal Gear and if they fail they at least have the highest ambitions instead of wasting money for the worst concepts out there.

    Why do you thing walking robots is the worst concept? It is technically challenging but somehow evolution made animal run on 4s not roll on wheels.



    I don't think the walking concept for robots is the worst concept, i think that thing and alike Boston Dynamics Dog is a worst concept they could come up with. The easiest and at the same time the most useless in this concept. I know technology isn't that advanced in robotics yet but there are still better ways to make a robot useful in the military application with a walking concept without doing this tourret born thing from hells science kitchen.
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    Post  Project Canada Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:50 pm

    I think the idea is to gain experience working with robots and develop expertise in this field over time, you cant jump to advanced designs all of a sudden
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:53 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I think the idea is to gain experience working with robots and develop expertise in this field over time, you cant jump to advanced designs all of a sudden

    That does not mean that you have to waste so much money on concepts that are failures from start on. It is ok to learn from some failures but you do not need to make a concept that is destined to fail and try to learn from that.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:33 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:I think the idea is to gain experience working with robots and develop expertise in this field over time, you cant jump to advanced designs all of a sudden

    That does not mean that you have to waste so much money on concepts that are failures from start on. It is ok to learn from some failures but you do not need to make a concept that is destined to fail and try to learn from that.

    Of course concepts are mostly failures. That is what concepts are for.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:42 pm

    Zivo wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f86/17/78/62/48/cgprhg10.jpg

    Why is russia taking the same failed path as Boston Dynamics?

    Not really same path, "Mule" was supposed to be large cargo robot, this one is small combat robot. Besides, developing electronics and software is what is important here.

    Where are these pics from anyway?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:29 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:I think the idea is to gain experience working with robots and develop expertise in this field over time, you cant jump to advanced designs all of a sudden

    That does not mean that you have to waste so much money on concepts that are failures from start on. It is ok to learn from some failures but you do not need to make a concept that is destined to fail and try to learn from that.

    Didn't the Soviets have walking robots back in the 1970-80's? I remember seeing a tv feature showcasing them.

    I think for walking robots to work they'll have shape motors and gears similar to musculature. I honestly think if their going to have walking robots then they should have 8 legs like a spider as it will bring superior stability and mobility.
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    Post  Zivo Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Zivo wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f86/17/78/62/48/cgprhg10.jpg

    Why is russia taking the same failed path as Boston Dynamics?

    Not really same path, "Mule" was supposed to be large cargo robot, this one is small combat robot. Besides, developing electronics and software is what is important here.

    Where are these pics from anyway?

    It'll be noisy, and have poor endurance, as it's mechanically similar to Boston Dynamic's machines. It wont be a viable weapon. BD's walking method of constantly falling and readjusting is very inefficient. A real, functional war machine will have to be completely different mechanically, so any software discoveries that follow this design are a dead end.

    A walking war machine will be big as it needs a gas engine, and an electric generator. Hydraulics are too loud, so the articulation will have to be done using torsion and electric engines. The storage, passive generation, and controlled release of torsion force is the only viable way to manage mechanical energy. It's how our legs function, as designed by thousands of years of evolution. Boston Dynamics and now Russia are not following evolution, they are producing something that "looks" like natural walking, but doesn't function like it.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:56 am

    While the BD packmule was useless as an real field machine (what combat team would want to traverse enemy held territory accompanied by that absurd monstrosity whirring and slurping at 80 dBs?) the important path is the development of both technology and the engineers & techs working in the field.    Even if the machine is not a viable system, there are useful learnings to be had, especially in fast-reacting algorithms to restore dynamic balance following external shocks and disturbances - like a good hard kick from a size 12 combat boot. The real question is a cost-benefit analysis of costs/resources vs knowledge  advancement, and  I suspect that its a worthwhile exercise to develop a concept independently to US companies and then to compare their performances.  Its a good gauge to evaluate ones own capability against the competition/adversary/enemy, and I'm sure the tech gains (mostly in electronics and software) will find use in other, more practical applications.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:31 am

    The goal is to get a robot with mobility in areas that wheels simply can't cope... like rocky terrain or bomb damaged places with debris everywhere.

    In some roles it wont matter if it is noisy... there are plenty of disaster relief roles where being heard is a good thing.


    Just look at mythbusters... it is generally standard practise to try things in small scale and then build larger scale and then full scale models so you can detect potential problems early and don't have to deal with hundreds of problems all at once.

    If you think money spent on these small models is wasted then times the amount by 500 and then that will approach the cost of doing it full scale and then try to correct problems.

    Smaller scale versions are not wastes of time as different scale solutions solve different scale problems... some huge battle mech might be valuable but some small crawler that can go inside buildings that are half demolished and could collapse at any moment means you can send it in in situations when you would never risk more people.

    A wheel on flat ground will always be rather more efficient than a leg... but one rock will stop a wheel... anyone who rides a bicycle knows this.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:The goal is to get a robot with mobility in areas that wheels simply can't cope... like rocky terrain or bomb damaged places with debris everywhere.

    In some roles it wont matter if it is noisy... there are plenty of disaster relief roles where being heard is a good thing.

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    A wheel on flat ground will always be rather more efficient than a leg... but one rock will stop a wheel... anyone who rides a bicycle knows this.

    This^^

    Also, robots do not produce noise if they are standing still which they will be doing most of the time. And noise is not too relevant once shooting starts.

    Just imagine following scenario: Unit 1 is trying to attack Unit 2. Unit 2 has robots deployed in the perimeter. Unit 1 has to engage robots to reach their target and they waste time, ammo and lives fighting bunch of perfectly disposable robots. Robots do not even need to win or fight too efficiently for that matter, they just need to fight. While that happens, Unit 2 is ready to engage Unit 1 who, thanks to running into robots, instantly went from position of strength to position of weakness.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Russian Army Robots - Page 10 0_b3b393_ba0ddae_XL

    I'd be keen to see video of this thing in operation, and to compare it against the BD AlphaDog.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:57 am

    Also, robots do not produce noise if they are standing still which they will be doing most of the time. And noise is not too relevant once shooting starts.

    Also another factor is that if you actively use the robots in fighting as opposed to just using them as transport, a noisy robot flanking your position will unnerve an enemy and might make them more likely to withdraw from their positions.

    they could be sent more readily to flank an enemy position because they are more disposable in the manouver... small arms fire from every direction is not so scary when you are a robot with all your important vulnerable bits armoured... getting hit in the back by small arms fire wont distract you from your mission... once the targets in front are dealt with you can then deal with other targets... those microphone systems that listens to gun fire and determines the origin of the shots can be passing data to HQ and the unit regarding the precise location of the enemy down to individual snipers...

    Such data collection would be invaluable in saving lives and planning attacks against enemy positions.

    Having a PKP and a Balkan 40mm grenade launcher would enable a range of targets to be engaged and destroyed without risking troops... even just a simple laser target marker and helicopter support with Ugroza guidances kits for 80mm rockets would enable an enemy position to be obliterated rapidly and accurately... and cheaply.
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    Post  Project Canada Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:29 am

    is something like this drone feasible?

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    Post  Guest Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:44 am

    Project Canada wrote:is something like this drone feasible?

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    Achievable, yes..sort of.



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