The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

На Юго-Востоке гибнут люди. Как мы сможем жить в России, если не поможем. Мы не сможем. Мы погибнем духовно. Где наш русский патриотический дух? Я думаю, Россия буквально на днях должна принять решение и оружие скоро придёт.

Чеченский народ прошёл чудовищную трансформацию. И сегодня он готов отплатить добром за то, что сделала для них Россия. Если бы чеченские мужественные добровольцы помогли Юго-Востоку -  я бы приветствовал это.

Хунту постигнет чудовищная кара. Америка преследует цель  - создать у границ России натовское государство, и превратить Украину в Сирию.  Это страшный и жестокий сценарий.

Я обращаюсь к жителям Юго-Востока, я исполнен ненависти и любви. Сейчас там с вами - мой сын, мои друзья. Я молюсь за своих близких, за Донбасс, за Россию.  Всё равно мы победим! Держитесь! С Богом!

Александр Проханов, в прямом эфире информационному центру «Юго-Восточный фронт».  

Ясно следующее:
1. У Киева с Порошенко сил на оккупацию ДНР и ЛНР хватит (при условии продолжения той же выжидательной политики Кремля). Сопротивление останется, убитые будут исчисляться тысячами.
2. Завершив оккупацию ДНР и ЛНР, хунта немедленно двинется на Крым. Порошенко ясно об этом высказался. Тут России придется вступать в войну. В условиях принципиально более трудных, нежели сейчас. Двинет ли Киев войска на Крым? Однозначно, да. Ответит ли Россия войной? Однозначно, да.
3. Если Путин введет войска сейчас, есть шанс освободить Новороссию в течение месяца-полутора. С колоссальными издержками.
4. Если Путин будет ждать атаки на Крым, Новороссия будет освобождена с потерями несопоставимо большими и в более отдаленные сроки.
5. В ДНР гибнут мои товарищи. Близкие. Их убивают не только неонацисты хунты, но и медлительность Путина. Точнее, шестой колонны, которая открыто предает Президента, прямо саботируя его решения и ставя ему ультиматумы. Кровь уже на Москве. Каждый час промедления — больше крови. И если бы впереди было бы хотя бы какое-то решение, о цене крови можно было бы думать. Но впереди роковая неизбежность войны.
Поэтому наше имя сегодня: "Путин, вводи войска!" (#putinvvodivoiska)

Неясно:
1. Сколько герои ДНР и ЛНР смогут еще продержаться перед лицом регулярной армии.
2. Сколько Путин будет терпеть в своем окружении предателей и агентов влияния.
3. Сколько еще наше общество будет находиться в летаргическом сне.
4. Когда начнется война и сколько она продлится. Если же она не начнется, завершится не только Новороссия, но и сама Россия. А вы говорите "хоккей"...

Вчера я подлетал из Крыма ночью к Москве. На черном небе сияли звезды. На краю в черных облаках били молнии. Самолет очень долго не мог приземлиться. Он был заворожен зрелищем черных всполохов и как будто не решался идти на снижение, стелясь вдоль земли и поднимаясь снова. Я понял: пилоты вступили в смертельную игру с грозой. Об этом догадывалась только маленькая девочка, сидевшая рядом со мной и пересказывавшая своей маме мои мысли вслух. В это время в Донецке на аэродроме геройски умирал мой друг, воин России Борис. Его кровь на Кремле. На шестой колонне, которая не дает Президенту вводить войска. Кровь других убиенных на ней же. Однажды все ответят за все - и хунта, и их американские заказчики и их кремлевские пособники.

Так как ты все равно будешь вынужден ввести войска, Путин, сделай это сейчас.

BBC idiotic propaganda wrote:The tanks entered Ukraine along with other armour through a checkpoint controlled by rebels in the Luhansk region, Arsen Avakov said.

Ukrainian forces engaged two of them and fighting is under way, he said.

There was no confirmation from the rebels, who reported a Ukrainian government tank attack near Luhansk.

Pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, Ukraine's industrial heartland, declared independence after holding referendums last month which were deemed illegal by the government in Kiev.

The rebellion began amid the turmoil which followed the downfall in February of the elected Ukrainian President, Viktor Yanukovych, whose pro-Moscow policies sparked mass street protests in Kiev during the winter.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Where ever Americans are involved they use Chemical weapons and genociding people.

an extreme comment, and in the past i propably called for some moderation with such accusations.

but honestly after hearing from our own (NATO) airborne recon unit about hitching a ride in a Canadian C-130 packed full with nerve gas containers in Afghanistan and the countless indictments and evidence of chemical warfare of the U.S war history im just not suprised they use these tactics anymore.

look at the N-american continent, they wiped it pretty much clean of native americans. their country litterally was born out of genocide. and they call their helicopter aircraft now after powerfull indian tribes they wiped out as some sort of sick trophy i guess.

and on topic, ive seen some vids of that Ukrainian refugee meeting with the OCSE representative. he was seriously disturbed by what he saw as far i can judge. judgding from my own experience with politicians it does not even matter if he screams murder they will ignore him for their own political goals. but still i guess its better than having some unemotional jerk there. and at least see one responding to it as a human being.

anybody knows more about these T-72's driving around in eastern ukraine with ERA's and seemingly in good-maintained condition under anti-kiev control?. just curiosity the looks of the thing seem really out of place. it more feels like its a private donation/project than any of the junk Mi-24's/BMP's Kiev thrown so far at the Donbass area. not to mention their behaviour, ive seen one driving trough this area of town behaving more like a hunter-killer than part of an co-ordinated advance of an large army unit.

Hodorkovski's

The local DPR headquarters have been captured in Mariupol. It's clear by now that someone or something in the DPR leadership is going wrong  

BBC CLOWN MEDIA wrote:Kiev says three Russian tanks entered east Ukraine
Ukraine's interior minister has said that three tanks have crossed the border from Russia into rebel areas of the east and fighting is under way.

BBC Clown Media wrote:Contrary to initial reports that the tanks are Russian-made T-72s, one of the most commonly used models in late Soviet times, rebels and bloggers have identified them as T-64s, an older model manufactured in Ukraine.

Asf wrote:

Hodorkovski's

Hodakovski's

macedonian wrote:I know I often rant about the western media bias.
And here's why...

Yesterday BBC had a FRONT PAGE story with this as its TITLE:

BBC CLOWN MEDIA wrote:Kiev says three Russian tanks entered east Ukraine
Ukraine's interior minister has said that three tanks have crossed the border from Russia into rebel areas of the east and fighting is under way.

Today however, BURIED DEEP INSIDE THE ARTICLE they say:

BBC Clown Media wrote:Contrary to initial reports that the tanks are Russian-made T-72s, one of the most commonly used models in late Soviet times, rebels and bloggers have identified them as T-64s, an older model manufactured in Ukraine.

And that, my fellow forum members is propaganda 101.
Worse than Pravda in the days of the USSR.

Something is definitely rotten in the West!

Hannibal Barca wrote:

macedonian wrote:Something is definitely rotten in the West!

It is. They sense their diminish and if  Russia was not so fucking incompetence and below expectations major victories would had came already!

macedonian wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:

macedonian wrote:Something is definitely rotten in the West!

It is. They sense their diminish and if  Russia was not so fucking incompetence and below expectations major victories would had came already!

We DO share the sentiment mate, but please remember that Russia is only a single country...and has actually shown more cojones than the next twenty 'brave ones' put together... It has no one REALLY backing it.
If guilt is to be assigned, than Brazil and ESPECIALLY China and India should share part of the blame for not TRULY backing Russia, and content themselves with the lukewarm support they offer...

Especially since ALL of them know very well how it feels to be 'collateral damage' and on the receiving end of Uncle Sam's geo-political advance.

Give credit where credit is due, I say.
I'm willing to bet that China and ESPECIALLY India will be gasping for Russian support when their time comes and they're deemed 'an enemy' and 'a threat' to US interests later on.
They'll both be singing to a different tune then. So, as much as Russia is to blame in all of this, it shares perhaps the least of the blame given the current constellation in the world relations...

(Don't really want to mention the European countries here, since none of them are really sovereign, but mere colonies of Washington, remotely-controlled through Brussels)

Hannibal Barca wrote:I would agree if the discussion was about Syria or Argentina or Cuba or whatever but the discussion is about Eastern Ukraine and Russian people and don't through out this shame that they have no Russian pasports because this excuse is absolutely disgusting.
So in such case Russia can and is obliged to act unilaterally and decisively. Tactics are probably acceptable when dealing with third parties but against your own people is not to be tolerated.
If you see someone insulting your daughter you will not intervene just because he is taller and stronger? How pathetic.
I said, my strategy may not be the most effective, but if I was Putin I would had razed Kiev to the ground already from February and every day it passes I feel like I was all too right from the very beginning.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Oh as a side note. If I was the prime minister of Greece I would say STAY AWAY OF RUSSIA.
They can't and they don't care to back up their friends. Either they are weak or too soft or too cold either way they are not suitable to commit your interests with them.
This might explain hell a lot...