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The Situation in the Ukraine. #5
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Vann7 wrote:Werewolf wrote:Vann7 wrote:
Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..
IF the Right Sector were real nazis they will fight Americans and Jews.. and will fight for their Independence not for being a colony
of United States of israel.
That is nonsense, Nazis in germany were to the same degree opportunists as ukraine nazis are. Nazi Germany had hundreds of American partners overseas and also invited them to Germany to discuss buisness. IG Farben had american advisers that lived even 2 years through the war in Germany, as long the war wasn't there but in Russia. Coca Cola had very close relationships with NSDAP (nazi party) because they fullfilled politics and laws for mutual benefit.
There are thousand of such examples.
Your are talking about Businessmen here and there... Not about ideology. The banderism Ideology today is a 100% CIA controlled thing ,thats the center point.
Jeez, I didn't even know that UPA was controlled by CIA
And similarities between it's and PS flag are totally coincidential, yeah:
"Germans NAzis was about turning Germany in the world greatest power.. Is that what Right Sector wants? Turn Ukraine into a world Power.. No..they are only interested in Personal profits"
German nazis were interested in empowering themselves.
Pravy sektor is interested in empowering themselves.
So, what's the difference?
Also, read this:
"Shukhevych, Stepan Bandera, Stepan Lenkavsky, Yaroslav Stetsko, Yaroslav Starukh, and others developed the concept of "permanent revolution". According to their thesis, the Ukrainian people, being exploited by an occupier, could only obtain freedom through continued pressure on the enemy. As a result, the OUN took on the responsibility of preparing for an All-Ukrainian revolt. Shukhevych propagated the ideas that the revolution was an uncompromising conflict in order to permanently defeat the foe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych
Seems we were all fooled and "lebensraum" crap was totally american invention, correct?
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etaepsilonk wrote:Vann7 wrote:Werewolf wrote:Vann7 wrote:
Seems we were all fooled and "lebensraum" crap was totally american invention, correct?
Dude give up , The Nazism was all about creating a Powerful Germany as a super power and destroy the nations who for many decades
starved them to death. ie.. US ,France and UK. They invaded Soviets to take their oil fields . And they used Bandera or any idiot that was useful to create foreign armies . CIA is 100% behind the bandera movement..
All nazis movements ,did not began with the CIA ,but the CIA helped to organize them . Simply The US congress NGOs ,always finance extremist in any country ,and use them as weapons to overthrow governments not aligned with the whitehouse policy.
Is like Terrorism ,that always existed but the CIA organized them under the name of Alqaeda and gave them weapons and support and
turned terrorism into a very profitable international . They also funding ISIL in IRAQ.
IF the bandera movement was a real NAZI ideology ,they..
1) will seek the return of Germany or at least Ukraine as a world super power and will fight for their independence.
2) will fight the Jews banking system.. the IMF ,The British and American empire and France.
3)Will fight NATO ..
Hitler Nazis will have never allowed their nation to become a slave country of a jewish Bank like the IMF.. or a puppet colony of
United states. NAzis had Pride for their race ,Banderas are loser and have no pride of anything ,is not a Nazi movement, just opportunist ,that they take advantage of the free money they get. The Rusophobia in Ukraine actually began much earlier ,than the Nazi movement existed . all the way when Ukraine was created in 1918 by germany stealing Lands of the Russian empire. All Nazi movements have been Infiltrated by the CIA and they trying to create a united front against Russia in all Europe. Now less stop with this silly discussion ,if you want to be brainwashed and fooled by the Nazi comedy show ,and holywood movies ,and their so called "SS divisions" ,so be it.. What happens in Ukraine is more important.
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They invaded Soviets to take their oil fields .
They invaded the USSR to get rid of untermensches (subhuman) on the lands Germany needed to live onto as they deemed slavs together with jews as subhumans. And US, UK and even France wasn't deemed by Hitler as something totally unacceptable, just not enough arian like germans. Read "Mein Kampf", it's all written there: Germany should go East, like Teuton knights, not West like kaiser's Reich, lebensraum, blablabla. That's why Hitler didn't order to totally wipe out british troops at Dunkirk - we didn't want to conquer Britain and of course never think about conquering the USA. That's why at the first time he was seen as a good tool against the communist threat by anglo-saxon diplomancy (see Munchen and the Strange war).
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Right sector and others are NAZI and fascist admirers for the simple reason that they fought Russia among others and the Catholic Ukrainians hate pathologically Orthodox Slavs.
Here starts and ends any relation with national socialism, nationalism, far right, third way, national Bolshevism etc.
All the rest of right wing in Europe are Russian friendly and they are THE ONLY REMAINING Moscow's allies. Actually with this Ukrainian thing CIA boys try to alienate Russia which is itself
NAZI now with the right wing insurgence in the rest of Europe.
Time will tell how all this will develop, as a matter of fact though Moscow traditionally is really bad handling such situations.
Here starts and ends any relation with national socialism, nationalism, far right, third way, national Bolshevism etc.
All the rest of right wing in Europe are Russian friendly and they are THE ONLY REMAINING Moscow's allies. Actually with this Ukrainian thing CIA boys try to alienate Russia which is itself
NAZI now with the right wing insurgence in the rest of Europe.
Time will tell how all this will develop, as a matter of fact though Moscow traditionally is really bad handling such situations.
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Hannibal Barca wrote:All the rest of right wing in Europe are Russian friendly
Except of Polish so called "right wing". Except figures in Falanga so called right wing in Poland is anti-Rus. "Official right wing" is anti-EU and pro-US. If they figure out that you are sympathetic with Russia they will call you "Putin's agent"... Seems like there is hundreds of thousands of "Russian agents" in my country... If so it's scary to think how much there is westerner agents then.
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Look this report.. show CIA Americans training sabotage tactics to the so called Neonazis in Ukraine..
Also Israel train the so called "nazis " in Ukraine too.. and some other NATO secret services.. Poland for example supports them too.
CIA operates through many tentacles ,called NGOs ,All of them are funded by US congress.. and all those NAzis in Ukraine are CIA paid thugs. Nothing more and nothing else.. Their Nazi Shows ,is just that a Show . But they are not real Nazis ,just opportunistic thugs . So you will hear ridiculous things like creation of a New SS batalion or they using Nazi symbols , all that is part of the show.. is psycollogical war against Russia.. and so many here fooled by that. Cut their CIA funding and support and you will see how those "Nazi" parties collapse and cease to exist. They are real bandits and some of them even criminals but they have nothing to do with the Hitler nazi ideology .Just idiots ,pretending to be them.
Also Israel train the so called "nazis " in Ukraine too.. and some other NATO secret services.. Poland for example supports them too.
CIA operates through many tentacles ,called NGOs ,All of them are funded by US congress.. and all those NAzis in Ukraine are CIA paid thugs. Nothing more and nothing else.. Their Nazi Shows ,is just that a Show . But they are not real Nazis ,just opportunistic thugs . So you will hear ridiculous things like creation of a New SS batalion or they using Nazi symbols , all that is part of the show.. is psycollogical war against Russia.. and so many here fooled by that. Cut their CIA funding and support and you will see how those "Nazi" parties collapse and cease to exist. They are real bandits and some of them even criminals but they have nothing to do with the Hitler nazi ideology .Just idiots ,pretending to be them.
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So our boys FINALLY got hold of some serious hardware.
Someone must be sh-ting bricks now.
It is our boys, right?
I mean they seem to be flying StGeorge's flags...
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AFAIK those are meant to be support from Crimea. On another video there are four tanks in the forehead of this convoy too.
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Thanks fragmachine!
Yes, seems it's our boys alright:
Taken today in Ukraine, if we're to believe the poster on Twitter.
Great news these. Really great!
(Still hoping for a peace settlement, mind you, just want to be sure that civilians and seps don't get slaughtered by Nazi fanboys because they lack the weapons to defend themselves)
Yes, seems it's our boys alright:
Taken today in Ukraine, if we're to believe the poster on Twitter.
Great news these. Really great!
(Still hoping for a peace settlement, mind you, just want to be sure that civilians and seps don't get slaughtered by Nazi fanboys because they lack the weapons to defend themselves)
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Well, this is interesting:
Nice guys these Svoboda people. I hope they get what's coming to them!
BTW: This has CIA written all over it!
RT wrote:Friday, June 2014:21 GMT:
Odessa police have foiled a terrorist attack which was planned during a protest near Russia’s consulate in Odessa on June 16, city police chief Ivan Katerinchuk was quoted as saying by local media.
The assailants were to plant a homemade explosive device in the crowd and explode it from a safe distance after provoking a fight between police and protesters, the police chief said. The destruction radius of the bomb was estimated at 15 meters.
The assailants have been detained, police said, adding that an MP from the right-wing Svoboda (Freedom) party had called for their release.
Nice guys these Svoboda people. I hope they get what's coming to them!
BTW: This has CIA written all over it!
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President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko had a meeting with George Soros
A year ago, spying on everyone was a 'conspiracy theory'...right up there with the Soros foundation financing 'regime change' in many places in Europe...
I'll let you draw your own conclusions on this one.
PoS wrote:President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko had a meeting with founder of “Open Society Foundations” George Soros. The meeting was attended by Chairman of the Board of the “International Renaissance Foundation” Oleksandr Sushko and Executive Director of the IRF Yevhen Bystrytsky.
George Soros informed the Head of State about the initiative of the strategic plan of reforms for Ukraine. In particular, he told about the creation of a strategic advisory group to assist the government of Ukraine. “We set up a strategic consultative group for immediate reaction on challenges as they arise”, - he said.
The President of Ukraine stressed on the necessity to coordinate efforts in conducting reforms in Ukraine and declared a strong support of the initiative of George Soros regarding the implementation of free insurance of political risks for investors and partners of Ukraine. Petro Poroshenko also expressed the readiness to work out jointly the steps and provide an effective mechanism of implementation of reforms in the country.
The Head of State thanked to founder of “Open Society Foundations” and the administration of “International Renaissance Foundation” for the long-term and consistent support of reforms in Ukraine and permanent cooperation in the development of civil society.
A year ago, spying on everyone was a 'conspiracy theory'...right up there with the Soros foundation financing 'regime change' in many places in Europe...
I'll let you draw your own conclusions on this one.
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interrogation of captured Aydar batalion
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(on the margin ..> http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=180039
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^^^^^^^
Cheers arpakola, I was going to post that same vid, luckily I refreshed before posting....
Cheers arpakola, I was going to post that same vid, luckily I refreshed before posting....
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I HOPE that this is only propaganda!
Link (in Russian)Одесская специальная моторизированная войсковая часть нацгвардейцев (в/ч 3012) закупает для боевиков карательных батальонов средства химической и радиационной защиты. Об этом сообщил политруководитель, сославшись на украинский государственный портал «Вестник госзакупок».
And the accompanying pic (rather chilling):
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I'll just leave this contact info here (in case people need it)
Monsanto wrote:Monsanto Ukraine
101-A Volodymyrska St.
Kyiv 01033 Ukraine
Tel: (+38044) 490 7575
Fax: (+38044) 490 0145
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Ukraine's President Poroshenko declares ceasefire
Ukraine's President Poroshenko has declared a week-long unilateral ceasefire in fighting with pro-Russian militants.
Now, my guess is that they need to regroup, and that's why they call for a ceasefire yet again.
Otherwise the BBC would just ignore it...just as they did in the past few days...
Ukraine's President Poroshenko has declared a week-long unilateral ceasefire in fighting with pro-Russian militants.
BBC (aka NATO Propaganda outlet)BBC News Breaking! wrote:It comes a day after Mr Poroshenko held his second phone conversation this week with Russia's President Vladimir Putin.
The ceasefire had been expected ahead of the implementation of a peace plan.
However, correspondents say pro-Russian insurgents seem to have no intention of laying down their arms, or even observing the ceasefire at all.
Now, my guess is that they need to regroup, and that's why they call for a ceasefire yet again.
Otherwise the BBC would just ignore it...just as they did in the past few days...
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10:34 That bitch has more balls than her men. Big respect for her for that. Hopefully she will be traded into rebel POW.arpakola wrote:
interrogation of captured Aydar batalion
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(on the margin ..> http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=180039
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I've been watching Vitaly Churkin live on RT.com at the UNSC presser...Let me tell you, I now have much more respect for Russian diplomats than I had previously...
He's "Old school" material. Hope Russia has a lot more of those.
He's "Old school" material. Hope Russia has a lot more of those.
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Twitter rumor about a British man (soldier/volunteer?) killed in Ukraine...
The fcuker's pic:
RIP of course, but his place isn't in Ukraine...especially NOT fighting people that defend themselves against a ruthless Government!
EDIT: What's with English nationalists wearing the Union Jack?! I often wondered about that...how come German Nationalists aren't keen on the EU 'flag'?!
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?!
BTW, that bloke is a former SAS Major
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This is what's being claimed on the man:
The fcuker's pic:
RIP of course, but his place isn't in Ukraine...especially NOT fighting people that defend themselves against a ruthless Government!
EDIT: What's with English nationalists wearing the Union Jack?! I often wondered about that...how come German Nationalists aren't keen on the EU 'flag'?!
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?!
BTW, that bloke is a former SAS Major
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This is what's being claimed on the man:
Twitter people chatter wrote: James Fraser Wilkes (born 1964, Sutherland, ex-Major #SAS now working as #Kiev regime mercenary
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Poroshenko’s ceasefire statement more looks like ultimatum to Ukraine Southeast - Kremlin
“The key element is yet lacking - a proposal to start talks,” the Kremlin stated
Yes, Kremlin's statement...
Well, thank you Captain obvious....
“The key element is yet lacking - a proposal to start talks,” the Kremlin stated
TASS wrote:MOSCOW, June 20, 22:03 /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko’s statement on ceasefire more looks like an ultimatum to Ukraine’s Southeast, the Russian presidential press service told Itar-Tass on Friday.President Poroshenko presents peace plan for Ukraine East settlement
“In the current situation, the Russian side should thoroughly analyze the text of a relevant decision by the Ukrainian president and the procedure of its implementation,” the press service said.“A primary analysis unfortunately shows that this is not an invitation to peace and talks but an ultimatum to Ukraine’s Southeastern militiamen to lay down arms,” it said.“The key element is yet lacking - a proposal to start talks,” the Kremlin stated.
Yes, Kremlin's statement...
Well, thank you Captain obvious....
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macedonian wrote:I've been watching Vitaly Churkin live on RT.com at the UNSC presser...Let me tell you, I now have much more respect for Russian diplomats than I had previously...
He's "Old school" material. Hope Russia has a lot more of those.
he speaks plainly and directly and with a sense of humour at times. and above all he makes excellent points.
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macedonian wrote:Twitter rumor about a British man (soldier/volunteer?) killed in Ukraine...
The fcuker's pic:
RIP of course, but his place isn't in Ukraine...especially NOT fighting people that defend themselves against a ruthless Government!
EDIT: What's with English nationalists wearing the Union Jack?! I often wondered about that...how come German Nationalists aren't keen on the EU 'flag'?!
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?!
BTW, that bloke is a former SAS Major
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This is what's being claimed on the man:Twitter people chatter wrote: James Fraser Wilkes (born 1964, Sutherland, ex-Major #SAS now working as #Kiev regime mercenary
i personally doubt the picture, it just feels staged.
no visible injuries or blood, no gunshot, shrapnell or blast damage for that matter...or his ears at least would have bled. even if his legs are blown off he would be covered in his own body pieces.
his skin is not "greyed" as the result of Shock before death. his skin is even reddish..even if he would have died from perforation of his lungs(minimal blood loss) his throat would show the obvious signs of is charotus-adery being pushed out of place and he would have blood bubbles out of his mouth and nose.
if he even would be just killed, they would not have been able to close his eyes. when people die certain body-reflexes and processes continue a bit. one being the reflexes of the eyes, you have to wait for Rigor Mortis to take affect to be able to close his eyes.
and a british SAS major?, the SAS do not use real nametags on their uniform. as well as rank insignia and countryflags in operations. if he really was a SAS major it would have been fried so deep into his skull that it was second nature. and you do not change your mindset easily. and being an Officer for that matter ....
no, sorry guys. im sure there are (ex)NATO mercs running around in Ukraine on Kievs behalf, but i do not think this picture is real.
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DNR news claims that anti-fascist forces of Donetsk have seized a ukrainian military base with 221 tanks, 288 APCs, 12 AT guns, 18 Grad BM-21, 183 IFVs and 12 mortar systems.
Sounds to much to believe but i hope its true.
Sounds to much to believe but i hope its true.