The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

macedonian wrote:Su-24 brought down near Gorolovka.
The pilot managed to catapult but was caught by seps and is being interrogated.

RT wrote:Ополченцы Горловки заявили, что сбили украинский СУ-24 и допрашивают пилота Представители ополчения из города Горловка заявили, что сбили украинский Су-24 и захватил в плен пилота.

Очевидец сообщил RT, что лётчика везут в УВД Горловки. Местные СМИ сообщают, что самолёт был сбит с помощью ПЗРК

RT Russian

At this rate Ukraine's Air Force will be virtually non-existent in the next two weeks or so.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:So the right-seater didn't survive?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

macedonian wrote:Su-24 brought down near Gorolovka.
The pilot managed to catapult but was caught by seps and is being interrogated.

RT wrote:Ополченцы Горловки заявили, что сбили украинский СУ-24 и допрашивают пилота Представители ополчения из города Горловка заявили, что сбили украинский Су-24 и захватил в плен пилота.

Очевидец сообщил RT, что лётчика везут в УВД Горловки. Местные СМИ сообщают, что самолёт был сбит с помощью ПЗРК

RT Russian

At this rate Ukraine's Air Force will be virtually non-existent in the next two weeks or so.

So the right-seater didn't survive?

iTV wrote:Ukraine: 'Powerful bomb' found near presidential HQ
Ukrainian presidential bodyguards have disposed of a powerful explosive device discovered near President Petro Poroshenko's headquarters, a security source said.

Firebird wrote:

arpakola wrote:And the Ukrainian lunacy knob gets cranked past 11. Acting defense minister tells journalists people in self proclaimed republics will be put in filtration camps and if clear of wrong doing will be forced to settle in central and western parts of the country...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGZLUxtUnlQ.

That minister needs to be put down for its warcrimes... They are responsible for the indiscriminately killing of civilians .
If Russia take the decision to invade , he should be one of the first targets of its iskander missiles ,but also the Army Chief of Staff. and arrest all the parliament for warcrimes including poroshenko. No one have the right in the world to indiscriminately bomb civilians women and
children under ANY pretext. They are only getting away with their war crimes for the US and NATO blessing they have..

NATO wrote:NATO Secretary General concerned about reports of escalation of the crisis in Eastern Ukraine

I am concerned about reports that pro-Russian armed gangs are acquiring heavy weapons from Russia, including Russian tanks. We have seen reports that Russian tanks and other armoured vehicles may have crossed the border into eastern Ukraine. If these reports are confirmed, this would mark a serious escalation of the crisis in eastern Ukraine.

macedonian wrote:There's also this:

iTV wrote:Ukraine: 'Powerful bomb' found near presidential HQ
Ukrainian presidential bodyguards have disposed of a powerful explosive device discovered near President Petro Poroshenko's headquarters, a security source said.

Don't know what to make of it. If it wasn't iTV reporting it, I'd say it's pure propaganda. But I hold iTV in much higher regard than BBC or The Guardian, so I give them the benefit of a doubt.

mutantsushi wrote:Ah, I missed your post when I re-posted about that incident...
Not to argue your general assessment of those media, but I believe iTV was behind some majorly misrepresentative propaganda on detention camps in Bosnia War, framing shots to appear to show what wasn't there in reality (whether or not such things existed elsewhere), at least that was the clear understaning I got from a documentary based on other film crews who were present beside the iTV crew.  I don't really think the Western MSM, or any media for that matter, can/should be trusted 100%, one really has to seek out opposing view points and alternate sources.  Of course, very few are incined to do so, so content themselves with the manfactured opinions promulgated by infotainment media.

macedonian wrote:

And, in other news, our friend, the genius Ihor Kolomoisky, has a terrific idea on how Ukraine should close the border with Russia.
BUILD AN ELECTRIC fence like the one between Israel and the Palestinian territories:

The man's talents just keeps surprising me.

macedonian wrote:And this is what the Americans claim is proof that the tanks mentioned before came from Russia:



Pathetic if you ask me...their propaganda is in overdrive.

macedonian wrote:And this is what the Americans claim is proof that the tanks mentioned before came from Russia:



Pathetic if you ask me...their propaganda is in overdrive.

macedonian wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:Ah, I missed your post when I re-posted about that incident...
Not to argue your general assessment of those media, but I believe iTV was behind some majorly misrepresentative propaganda on detention camps in Bosnia War, framing shots to appear to show what wasn't there in reality (whether or not such things existed elsewhere), at least that was the clear understaning I got from a documentary based on other film crews who were present beside the iTV crew.  I don't really think the Western MSM, or any media for that matter, can/should be trusted 100%, one really has to seek out opposing view points and alternate sources.  Of course, very few are incined to do so, so content themselves with the manfactured opinions promulgated by infotainment media.

No disagreement there, in fact I fully concur with your analysis on iTV. Just wanted to state the difference between them and pure propaganda outlets like the BBC.

And, in other news, our friend, the genius Ihor Kolomoisky, has a terrific idea on how Ukraine should close the border with Russia.
BUILD AN ELECTRIC fence like the one between Israel and the Palestinian territories:



The man's talents just keeps surprising me.

At this moment we have unconfirmed data about one Su-25 was shot down in Gorlovka. But it is not confirmed.

1. European
Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU pose a threat not only Ukraine's economy, as the Russian economy. After signing the document would inevitably began uncontrolled blockage of the Russian market duty-free goods from Europe and third countries that would be a painful blow to the Russian producers.
Moreover, Ukraine would have to break with Russia tens and hundreds of agreements contrary to the terms evroassotsiatsii. As a result, the suggested association threatens namely Russia - in fact, it would destroy the bilateral mutually beneficial trade and industry in Russia and Ukraine, and would have led to the ousting of Russian goods products from other countries.
We wanted to address these issues in an amicable way, humanly. We tried to negotiate. But all our proposed compromise and constructive suggestions were rejected by the EU.
Sorry. Now it will be in a bad way.


2. Ukraine
Despite all the difficulties in the relationship, despite the anti-Russian rhetoric and frankly fascist new Kiev authorities, we performed all of the obligations and all links, thus providing the industry of Ukraine on orders $ 15 billion in cash. All advances are paid on time and in full.
not want a good - do not get anything. Russia is ready to completely abandon the Ukrainian and Ukrainian-made products.


3. Slightly Europe and Ukraine
Strip Ukraine has no and will be no more. Henceforth, we will release the fuel exactly as much as Kiev will pay for the month ahead.
For transit to Europe for the season autumn-winter 2014-2015,. underground gas storage (UGS) need to upload Ukraine gas at $ 4-5 billion
If Ukraine can not find these billion by autumn Europe will remain without gas.


4. Ukraine and Europe slightly
total debt of Ukraine, Russia return which may require immediate, is $ 16.6 billion and we require them.

macedonian wrote:They've attacked the Russian embassy in Kyev:





There should be consequences for this!

Large majority rejects isolation of Russia

Cologne (ots) - In the wake of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, 89 percent of Germans believe that the western states are to remain in an interview with Russia. Only 9 percent are of the opinion that one should isolate as far as possible Russia. This has a survey result of the ARD Germany trends from Monday to Tuesday this week.
The mood of the Germans towards Russia has improved somewhat, but remains at a low level. 21 percent consider Russia a trusted partner (+7 compared to early May). 74 percent, however, believe that one can not trust Russia.
In NATO is currently discussing how the Eastern European member countries can be protected from potential threats from Russia. An increased presence of NATO troops in eastern European countries is rejected by 75 percent of respondents. 21 percent they would instead advocate.

Survey data
- Population: voters population in Germany aged 18 years - number of cases: 1,004 respondents, NATO question 500 respondents - Survey period: 06/02/2014 to 03/06/2014 - Survey method: computer-assisted telephone interviews (CATI) - sample: A representative random sample / Dual Frame - fault tolerance: * 1.4 to 3.1 ** percentage points * at a level of 5%; ** At a share of 50%
Holding period for all results:
- For electronic media today, 22:45 clock - for print media: Friday issues, use only with reference "ARD Germany Trend"

http://www.presseportal.de/pm/6694/2754908/grosse-mehrheit-lehnt-isolierung-russlands-ab

Sundsvallsbo severely beaten by police in Ukraine

Sundsvallsbon Mikael Skillt, which is linked to the Nazi Swedes party, to have been badly beaten in Ukraine.

Mikael Skillt are in the country to provide support to the nationalist revolution. His mother, Ann Skillt, says that the assault took place on Saturday in connection with a trip east since Mikael Skillt and his company should have been stopped and abducted by pro-Russian police.

- According to the person I talked to, they were subjected to torturous beatings, she says.
Mikael Skillt will, among other things, have sustained injuries in the knee, chest and back. After release he should have been taken care of in a hospital.

- I still have not gotten in touch with him. I do not get it within a few days I will fly down himself, says Ann Skillt.
At the same time a film out there on Youtube in which Mikael Skillt talks about the incident. film was published on 13 April and according to it seems he can not be seriously injured.

http://www.st.nu/allmant/medelpad/sundsvallsbo-svart-misshandlad-av-polis-i-ukraina

Ru MFA wrote:MOSCOW, June 14, 22:19 /ITAR-TASS/. Russia has expressed indignation with provocative actions at the Russian Embassy in Kiev, the Russian Foreign Ministry says.
“Russia demanded Ukraine take necessary measures for ensuring security of Russian diplomats in Kiev,” the ministry says.
The ministry has placed a link to the live events at the Russian Embassy in Ukraine on the Facebook page.

“See and remember the so-called European values,” the ministry says.