The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

They are 6X6. The front differentials are visible by the way.

I don't know the model.

Airbornewolf wrote:i fully agree with TR1, and here is why....

1. the video shows the anti-kiev troops administer water to an injured ukrainian soldier. water is next to ammo the most precious commodity on the battlefield. even if the human gesture causes more harm than good unwittingly, its the gesture that counts. it says a lot about the anti-kiev troops mentality in the middle of an on-going war.


2. i find it dissapointing as well that some react here on such an extreme way to reasonable comments made by TR1 and directed against Kiev's army, i really do not mean to be offensive but i have to say it bluntly as there is no other way i can think off. the comments are short-sighted, and lack any real-life experience of life and death and its after-effects on people to even say such things about the opposition.

if i was there and these guys where right sector, yes. i shot them in the head up close up and personal, that nazi scum does not deserve to live. but these guys are Ukrainian army, that indeed makes matters different. i say it here honestly i would have tried my best to help that injured guy to survive even if the odds where practically zero for survival. THATS millitary proffesional honor and respect for your enemy. in war you have to honor what you are fighting for or you destroy yourself in the process of the war. and,...again pointing to the posted video.... the anti-kiev troops also wipe off the face full of blood from one of the ukraine's troops. it might look insignificant to some, but its a sign of respect to the soldier.

3. i have been long saying the Ukrainian troops are both forced and misguided by Kiev to fight in eastern Ukraine. ever since that MI-24 pilot got rescued by anti-kiev troops or the faked PR medal award to the resqued airborne troops ive said those ukrainian servicemen get lied to on a massive scale. i myself actually tought i was doing something good when i joined up in the NATO millitary, ...that was untill i saw the americans bomb an entire village full of innocent people with 8x 2000 pounder JDAM's because they "had credible intell" there was a taliban threat. "war on terror" was not such a great thing when some Afghan father comes stumbling at you bleeding himself with his dead son in his arms at you asking desperatly to save him because of trigger-happy Yanks.  but what do you think those ukrainian troops are now going trough?. the same bullshit propoganda crap by the U.S i went trough with my fellow troops that the ukrainian army now gets. instead of "its just an Afghan", its there "its just a pro-russian". ...or here "its just western-ukrainian" like life suddenly becomes degraded to vermin for being a different people.  sorry for sounding a bit personal, but the misplaced responses do hit a bit of a personal nerve. people with the best of intentions might end up doing something seemingly bad because of well-executed propaganda. these guys do not get the chance to speak to the anti-kiev troops for themselves. when they meet them its combat. its the fascist nazi millitia trash thats the problem there.

4. this thread is pretty much a small glimpse of war, but i honestly think only the people that went trough such things as civilian or millitary can put things into the right place, or...when it was horrible enough understandably they cannot put it into perspective at all. as far i can judge as a foreigner about what ive seen in the vids, even the anti-kiev troops and kiev army are battling eachother there is still some level of mutual respect. but what i read here is just unsettling, everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course but some opinions are unfounded. and honestly if you do not know how to keep your emotions in check, seeing the whole of the situation going on from both sides and dealing with the graphic material witch i promise you is just the tip of the iceberg thats shown. than you might want to ask yourself if certain rather anti-kiev army comments are right.

im myself support the anti-kiev troops, short of almost joining up myself. but like the brave people risking and giving their lives there in eastern ukraine i try to honor their mentality they show. im not a murderer, and clearly those anti-kiev fighters are not murderers either. and neither should any of us degrade to the level of the fascist death-squads Kiev operates.

Airbornewolf wrote:the anti-kiev troops also wipe off the face full of blood from one of the ukraine's troops. it might look insignificant to some, but its a sign of respect to the soldier

etaepsilonk wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7WvBF2sgpc#t=144

Vann7 wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7WvBF2sgpc#t=144

The right sector a other Nazi parties are a creation of the American CIA.. or at least receive funding for many years from them..
and help them with ideas how to annoy Russia.  SO when you look at the whole NAZI thing in Ukraine is  a fake acting thing ,even though
many of their western Ukrainians Ancestors fought with Nazis ,they are not Nazis at all. but Charlatans ,opportunist , gangs that are paid
for their Rusophobia and for promoting it in Ukraine. The US Congress with help of CIA and Pentagon invest Billions in creating political parties in enemy countries that could create conditions for the overthrowing of that government. And creating a strong enemy that can
hold power for ever there. So what you see in Ukraine , the rise of "Nazism " is just a game.. to create a boogieman in Ukraine to Russia.
Many of Ukraine leaders just read a Script being told to them by the CIA.. and i really doubt anyone of those that call themselves Nazis
at least the Politicians with education are real Hitler fans.. is just a Game they playing to annoy Russia.   Had Russia being a German nation  Pro Nazis ,then the people in western Ukraine and the Right Sector will have been very Anti-Nazi ,and Pro Russians and Americans.
That said their ideology is all a game , their Rusophobia however is real . They have been brainwashed from childhood to become
Rusophobic with propaganda and lies.

Vann7 wrote:r_detailpage&v=K7WvBF2sgpc#t=144

Regular wrote:

What are you talking about, Ukrainians were Nazis by default. You clearly never been to Ukraine. I was there for first time in 1989 summer. Even fckin babushka were nationalistic in Lvov.

Regular wrote:
The right sector a other Nazi parties are a creation of the American CIA.. or at least receive funding for many years from them..
and help them with ideas how to annoy Russia.  SO when you look at the whole NAZI thing in Ukraine is  a fake acting thing ,even

Vann7 wrote:
What are you talking about, Ukrainians were Nazis by default. You clearly never been to Ukraine. I was there for first time in 1989 summer. Even fckin babushkas were uber nationalistic in Lvov. Odessa was nice though. Jews Jews everywhere. not much left today

Vann7 wrote:

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
What are you talking about, Ukrainians were Nazis by default. You clearly never been to Ukraine. I was there for first time in 1989 summer. Even fckin babushkas were uber nationalistic in Lvov. Odessa was nice though. Jews Jews everywhere. not much left today

Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..

Vann7 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
What are you talking about, Ukrainians were Nazis by default. You clearly never been to Ukraine. I was there for first time in 1989 summer. Even fckin babushkas were uber nationalistic in Lvov. Odessa was nice though. Jews Jews everywhere. not much left today

Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..

etaepsilonk wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
What are you talking about, Ukrainians were Nazis by default. You clearly never been to Ukraine. I was there for first time in 1989 summer. Even fckin babushkas were uber nationalistic in Lvov. Odessa was nice though. Jews Jews everywhere. not much left today

Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..

Sorry, pal, but a swastika even in Africa is still a swastika  

Vann7 wrote:
Bandera was only an Opportunistic , he was not Trusted by the Nazis at all.. he was believed to be a double agent and Hitler was not
very impressed with his support for Muslins in Crimea.  Bandera ,just like the Right Sector today are just Opportunistic Charlatans..
They do not fight for their nation raise to power and independence ,but for the money they are paid . If Hitler was alive today he will
fight against Jewish controlled powers like NATO ,and not join them.. Remember Nazis was all about to make Germany the most powerful
country in earth.. and not a slave poor country of the EU or the Jewish Banks like the IMF.  Banderas today in Ukraine are basically Nazis ideology Reversed.. in many ways.

Strelkov wrote:URGENT Briefing From Igor Strelkov, June 19, 2014

URGENT

In the course of the night from 18th to 19th [of June], the enemy implemented a large-scale transfer of troops from the vicinity of Dolgenkoye village, where they have their stronghold and encampment, to the region of Krasniy Liman. Altogether, over 130 various items of military equipment were moved, including approximately 20 tanks and 40 APCs (“BMD,” “BMP” and “BTR”). The saboteur-intelligence group of the militia was able to take out one of the “BTR” APCs in the column by exploding a landmine. In addition, in the course of the night, the militia conducted strikes against the stronghold of the enemy in the Kombikormoviy neighbourhood.

Early in the morning on June 19, 2014, the enemy, with tanks and motorized infantry, and supported by two ground attack fighters Su-25, a division of self-propelled howitzers, a GRAD MLRS battery and several mortar batteries, dealt a massive blow against the positions of the Krasniy Liman detachment of militia located in the vicinity of Yampol settlement. The first attack was repelled, and an enemy tank was hit. At approximately 11:00 in the morning, the enemy resumed its attack, and despite losses, broke through the front. In the course of the battle, the enemy lost 4 “BMD” APCs and a large number of troops. However, using its colossal superiority in manpower and weaponry, the enemy was able to take Yampol and Zakhotnoye settlements, as well as the bridge across the river “Severniy Donets.” The Krasniy Liman detachment of militia suffered large losses in manpower and weaponry and was scattered. A detachment from Slavyansk that was sent to assist was also unable to stop the overwhelming forces of the enemy. Nevertheless, they fought an unequal battle in the settlement of Krivaya Luka.

As of 18:00 in the evening, the battle continues, the militia are attempting to break through the positions of the enemy toward Slavyansk.

Simultaneously with an attack against Yampol, large tank and motorized infantry forces of the enemy attacked the city of Seversk, where they were engaged in combat by the detachments of the militia commanded by Alexander Mozgovoi (the Lisichansk Battalion). The battle continues.

Attempting to assist the detachments fighting in the north, the Kramatorsk company (original – “rota”), undertook an attack against the enemy positions in the vicinity of the Markov settlement (to the east of Kramatorsk). In the course of the battle for control of the checkpoint, they were able to hit [and take out] one “BMP” APC and one “BTR” APC of the enemy. One of the militia fighters was lightly wounded. There have been no changes to positions around Slavyansk and Semyonovka.

In the morning, the detachments of the militia conducted mortar strikes against the Karachun Mount and against the positions of the enemy in the settlement of Vostochniy. In response, the enemy shot at Semyonovka with tanks, and, at 18:00, conducted artillery strikes with howitzers against the centre of Slavyansk. Multiple buildings hit and partially destroyed.

In conclusion, we can now confirm that the Ukrainian military has fulfilled the task, assigned by Poroshenko, of encircling the militia in the city of Slavyansk. Despite the courage and resilience of the militia fighters, they are unable to withstand in the open field massive attacks with tanks, artillery and aviation, particularly when the enemy has overwhelming superiority in manpower.

The militia and the people of the Donetsk People’s Republic call on the leadership of the Russian Federation to provide immediate aid to Novorossiya, in order to prevent the further genocide of the Russian population.

Vann7 wrote:


"Remember Nazis was all about to make Germany the most powerful
country in earth"

I beg to differ. Nazis was all about to make THEMSELVES the most powerful on earth.

Vann7 wrote:
Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..
IF the Right Sector were real nazis they will fight Americans and Jews.. and will fight for their Independence not for being a colony
of United States of israel.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Because the so called Nazis in Ukraine.. are a total contradiction of the Nazis in germany. .thats why..
IF the Right Sector were real nazis they will fight Americans and Jews.. and will fight for their Independence not for being a colony
of United States of israel.

That is nonsense, Nazis in germany were to the same degree opportunists as ukraine nazis are. Nazi Germany had hundreds of American partners overseas and also invited them to Germany to discuss buisness. IG Farben had american advisers that lived even 2 years through the war in Germany, as long the war wasn't there but in Russia. Coca Cola had very close relationships with NSDAP (nazi party) because they fullfilled politics and laws for mutual benefit.

There are thousand of such examples.