The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

Heavy weaponry as topol-m?

Of course they supply weapons. We know it and we are proud of it. Actually we complain because they don't send them everything they got like T50, SU35, Iskander etc. precisely like americunts send even to the terrorist land of the jews. Go play elsewhere now.

You see what's the problem with emperor Vladimir? He is so fucking good that turns against us from time to time.
If he was an ordinary man and not the genius he is, everyone would had taken notice long long time ago and he could finally tell them to go fck themselves.
Alas he can do it so damn prosaic and this is not always good, against thugs and low lives you need to be direct and clear cut else those rats
confuse your mastery with the shame of the guilty.

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

Stop dude.. shut up. Nobody FUCKING cares if Russia is arming the Rebels.. That's the right thing to protect civilians.
If you had your family in eastern ukraine imbecile and it was intentionally bombed by the nazi thugs in Ukraine
that now have weapons ,artillery and tanks.. and their house destroyed and family members wounded or killed,
you will be the first one asking Russia for help with weapons .. Learn something moron.. territory does not belong to factions or political parties. the kiev junta does not represent all Ukraine..is actually a minority ,that now is majority ,thats to a violent coup. they do not represent Crimeans.. neither represent odessa ,neither represent eastern Ukraine .. So is not a representative government of Ukraine.. Kiev removed any politician who was seen as Russia supporter . So  the junta that took power with a violent coup..  So Donetsk and Lugansk people have the Legitimate God Dam Rights to defend their lives., defend their future. and not end burned alive by radicals ultra right extremist that hate Russians.  

The level of your pathetic stupidity can be easily seen from a mile by your attempt to compare the Nazis in Russia vs Nazis in Ukraine. You said.. in Russia there are more nazis.. But the Nazis in Russia ARE NOT LEADING A WAR in RUSSIA ARE NOT BOMBING CITIES ,are not KILLING CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN , and being rewarded
later by the government for their actions. In Russia there are laws and people lives respected and Ukraine is a lawless state. Only morons can dare to compare Ukraine with Russia.. is not comparable at all.


Anyone who say US government have nothing to do with the civil war in 1) Ukraine but also in 2) Syria ,cannot be taken seriously in any discussion.. any more than a Psaki Troll ,so please people do not argue with MR america fanboy.. and totally ignore him ,in any Ukraine or other geopolitics discussion..

Vann7 wrote:

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

Stop dude.. shut up. Nobody FUCKING cares if Russia is arming the Rebels.. That's the right thing to protect civilians.
If you had your family in eastern ukraine imbecile and it was intentionally bombed by the nazi thugs in Ukraine
that now have weapons ,artillery and tanks.. and their house destroyed and family members wounded or killed,
you will be the first one asking Russia for help with weapons .. Learn something moron.. territory does not belong to factions or political parties. the kiev junta does not represent all Ukraine..is actually a minority ,that now is majority ,thats to a violent coup. they do not represent Crimeans.. neither represent odessa ,neither represent eastern Ukraine .. So is not a representative government of Ukraine.. Kiev removed any politician who was seen as Russia supporter . So  the junta that took power with a violent coup..  So Donetsk and Lugansk people have the Legitimate God Dam Rights to defend their lives., defend their future. and not end burned alive by radicals ultra right extremist that hate Russians.  

The level of your pathetic stupidity can be easily seen from a mile by your attempt to compare the Nazis in Russia vs Nazis in Ukraine. You said.. in Russia there are more nazis.. But the Nazis in Russia ARE NOT LEADING A WAR in RUSSIA ARE NOT BOMBING CITIES ,are not KILLING CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN , and being rewarded
later by the government for their actions. In Russia there are laws and people lives respected and Ukraine is a lawless state. Only morons can dare to compare Ukraine with Russia.. is not comparable at all.


Anyone who say US government have nothing to do with the civil war in 1) Ukraine but also in 2) Syria ,cannot be taken seriously in any discussion.. any more than a Psaki Troll ,so please people do not argue with MR america fanboy.. and totally ignore him ,in any Ukraine or other geopolitics discussion..

If trolls like TR1 and TheGeorgian just submit blank post from now on, the quality of the forum would recover. If blank post aren't allowed, then they can type in "1234......".

The audacity of these trolls, of course, is not surprising but is always very interesting though.

I'd rather have RU supplying arms to rebels than not doing so. Now that Ukraine has been firing ballistic missiles (inaccurate ones, I'd like to add) on cities full of innocent civilians, and that evidence is piling up that Ukraine shot down MH17 (Ukrainian aircraft flying near, bullet holes that were not caused by shrapnel etc). Besides, even if Russia supplied Buk's to rebels who used them to shoot it down, WHO CARES! The U.S. has been supplying weapons to extremists for years, and now ISIS is running around with U.S. weapons. Yet, nobody seems to care about that, and focuses on demonizing Russia instead. Anyway, if rebels shot MH17 down, it is not like Russia did it themselves. Blaming it on Russia would be like blaming 9/11 on the airlines whose planes were hijacked. This situation is clearly a complete mess, and all parties involved deserve some blame.

sepheronx wrote:

Mike E wrote:I'd rather have RU supplying arms to rebels than not doing so. Now that Ukraine has been firing ballistic missiles (inaccurate ones, I'd like to add) on cities full of innocent civilians, and that evidence is piling up that Ukraine shot down MH17 (Ukrainian aircraft flying near, bullet holes that were not caused by shrapnel etc). Besides, even if Russia supplied Buk's to rebels who used them to shoot it down, WHO CARES! The U.S. has been supplying weapons to extremists for years, and now ISIS is running around with U.S. weapons. Yet, nobody seems to care about that, and focuses on demonizing Russia instead. Anyway, if rebels shot MH17 down, it is not like Russia did it themselves. Blaming it on Russia would be like blaming 9/11 on the airlines whose planes were hijacked. This situation is clearly a complete mess, and all parties involved deserve some blame.

X1.  Finally, someone with sense here.

Thank you!   

I'd also like to request that "the all-knowing" GarryB should monitor this thread.

Vann7 wrote:

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

Stop dude.. shut up. Nobody FUCKING cares if Russia is arming the Rebels.. That's the right thing to protect civilians.
If you had your family in eastern ukraine imbecile and it was intentionally bombed by the nazi thugs in Ukraine
that now have weapons ,artillery and tanks.. and their house destroyed and family members wounded or killed,
you will be the first one asking Russia for help with weapons .. Learn something moron.. territory does not belong to factions or political parties. the kiev junta does not represent all Ukraine..is actually a minority ,that now is majority ,thats to a violent coup. they do not represent Crimeans.. neither represent odessa ,neither represent eastern Ukraine .. So is not a representative government of Ukraine.. Kiev removed any politician who was seen as Russia supporter . So  the junta that took power with a violent coup..  So Donetsk and Lugansk people have the Legitimate God Dam Rights to defend their lives., defend their future. and not end burned alive by radicals ultra right extremist that hate Russians.  

The level of your pathetic stupidity can be easily seen from a mile by your attempt to compare the Nazis in Russia vs Nazis in Ukraine. You said.. in Russia there are more nazis.. But the Nazis in Russia ARE NOT LEADING A WAR in RUSSIA ARE NOT BOMBING CITIES ,are not KILLING CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN , and being rewarded
later by the government for their actions. In Russia there are laws and people lives respected and Ukraine is a lawless state. Only morons can dare to compare Ukraine with Russia.. is not comparable at all.


Anyone who say US government have nothing to do with the civil war in 1) Ukraine but also in 2) Syria ,cannot be taken seriously in any discussion.. any more than a Psaki Troll ,so please people do not argue with MR america fanboy.. and totally ignore him ,in any Ukraine or other geopolitics discussion..

You need to visit a psychiatrist.

Also, kiss my ass. I will discuss what I please, Russia transferring T-64s is VERY much inline with the thread topic.

Mike E wrote:I'd rather have RU supplying arms to rebels than not doing so. Now that Ukraine has been firing ballistic missiles (inaccurate ones, I'd like to add) on cities full of innocent civilians, and that evidence is piling up that Ukraine shot down MH17 (Ukrainian aircraft flying near, bullet holes that were not caused by shrapnel etc). Besides, even if Russia supplied Buk's to rebels who used them to shoot it down, WHO CARES! The U.S. has been supplying weapons to extremists for years, and now ISIS is running around with U.S. weapons. Yet, nobody seems to care about that, and focuses on demonizing Russia instead. Anyway, if rebels shot MH17 down, it is not like Russia did it themselves. Blaming it on Russia would be like blaming 9/11 on the airlines whose planes were hijacked. This situation is clearly a complete mess, and all parties involved deserve some blame.

.....Russia fired Tochka and Iskander near Georgian cities in 2008 (and over them).

The evidence that Ukraine shot down MH17 is not mounting, it is the same mess it was a week ago.

I care that my government is doing something illegal. I know most people here are not Russians and hence (despite their verbal tirades) actually have no stake in what happens in Russia, but some of us are actually citizens.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

Stop dude.. shut up. Nobody FUCKING cares if Russia is arming the Rebels.. That's the right thing to protect civilians.
If you had your family in eastern ukraine imbecile and it was intentionally bombed by the nazi thugs in Ukraine
that now have weapons ,artillery and tanks.. and their house destroyed and family members wounded or killed,
you will be the first one asking Russia for help with weapons .. Learn something moron.. territory does not belong to factions or political parties. the kiev junta does not represent all Ukraine..is actually a minority ,that now is majority ,thats to a violent coup. they do not represent Crimeans.. neither represent odessa ,neither represent eastern Ukraine .. So is not a representative government of Ukraine.. Kiev removed any politician who was seen as Russia supporter . So  the junta that took power with a violent coup..  So Donetsk and Lugansk people have the Legitimate God Dam Rights to defend their lives., defend their future. and not end burned alive by radicals ultra right extremist that hate Russians.  

The level of your pathetic stupidity can be easily seen from a mile by your attempt to compare the Nazis in Russia vs Nazis in Ukraine. You said.. in Russia there are more nazis.. But the Nazis in Russia ARE NOT LEADING A WAR in RUSSIA ARE NOT BOMBING CITIES ,are not KILLING CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN , and being rewarded
later by the government for their actions. In Russia there are laws and people lives respected and Ukraine is a lawless state. Only morons can dare to compare Ukraine with Russia.. is not comparable at all.


Anyone who say US government have nothing to do with the civil war in 1) Ukraine but also in 2) Syria ,cannot be taken seriously in any discussion.. any more than a Psaki Troll ,so please people do not argue with MR america fanboy.. and totally ignore him ,in any Ukraine or other geopolitics discussion..

If trolls like TR1 and TheGeorgian just submit blank post from now on, the quality of the forum would recover. If blank post aren't allowed, then they can type in "1234......".

The audacity of these trolls, of course, is not surprising but is always very interesting though.

Translation: they didn't say exactly what we wanted to hear, they are trolling ;( ;(

TR1 wrote:
I care that my government is doing something illegal. I know most people here are not Russians and hence (despite their verbal tirades) actually have no stake in what happens in Russia, but some of us are actually citizens.

Protecting civilians systematically being killed for its Support to Russia is not illegal. Russia Protecting their Nation security when NATO is clearly using Ukraine to sabotage Russia economy and wanted to shut down its naval base is not illegal. What Did you wanted Putin to do?  Wait NATO to use their euromaidan thugs to siege Russian naval ports in crimea and  lose their many hundreds of years legitimate Naval base?  

Ignore US and NATO militarization of Ukraine and wait them to be fully armed to do something?

IF you notice your major enemies preparing for a major war ,arming your neighbors with weapons ,are you going to wait them get fully armed to start to do something?    

It is Legal ,to defend your nation. And wait for being attacked first to do something is total foolishness .
US will never allow Russia to install a military base at their borders and start moving inside weapons. NEVER.
IF it is not good for them... why it have to be good for Russia?

Russia is not killing civilians in the ukraine civil war , kiev is.  Russia took control of crimea  withing hours without firing a single shot. Ukraine have failed to take control of eastern Ukraine after months of many shots,many bombs and air raids and bombed cities. So clearly dude.. Kiev is Not welcomed in eastern ukraine and Russia is welcome in both places .   And the chechenia chapter is a total different thing.. is more like Syria. That Saudi Arabia arms JIhadist Extremist to destroy another Nation. I don't think anyone in their right mind will allow Alqaeda Jihadist to take control of their nation . So drop your silly Chechenia totally silly comparisons. Specially when Today Chechania is a full autonomous country and its leader is very popular and support Russia.

And is funny you find Ukraine territorial integrity and sovereignty have to be respected. But you forget that Ukraine was created stealing/annexing Russian lands by separatist ,yes just like the ones you condemn in eastern ukraine.. but without consulting anyone ,no referendum ,and just simply  German Army invasion.  Ukraine declare its Independence 2 times from Russia . So its good when anti-Russians declare Independence but not good when Pro Russian people do it?  hows that , Independence is only valid when moving a way from Russia ?   

You  live in fantasy wonderland dude, if you believe USA and NATO allies interest in ukraine is "FReedom and democracy" and not use the nation to provoke Russia into a war. You have now very hostile political parties to Russia in power in Ukraine , that their MPs calls in public for the extermination of Russians. They are bombing civilians cities indiscriminately and even bombing your cities now INSIDE Russia territory .. What is required for you to wake up .? That the bombs start falling  in your house ?  Dude ... The west is at war with Russia Right now. is a proxy soft war..but still is a war and it will only get worse by the time ,until Russia manage to Reverse the coup and the Rusophobic parties kicked from power in Ukraine. Defending your nation from an unannounced war is 100% legal..  defending your life is 100% legal.. defending your nation is 100% legal.. NATO arming Ukraine is a major danger to Russia ,and more if Putin do nothing that is what you suggest. . is Putin duty to defend the 140millions citizens that live in Russia and not wait for their  Enemies to get their ideal conditions to start a war. ie Ukraine fully armed to the teeth ,including nukes that NATO have..  Notice how no single political party in Russia is against Putin interference in Ukraine.and no one opposed to Crimea actions. Even chechens are fighting in the side
of Novorosiya in eastern Ukraine.. So clearly you are terribly wrong .

 No one in their right mind ,who have any love for his country , will allow their enemies to fully militarize their borders and even allow them get nukes and do nothing about it.  Only the people that hates Russia will want to see their nation destroyed .consider  Russian actions wrong .

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:US downed the airliner now? LMAO!

Fascism, genocide, LOL.

This is why I don't respond to such nonsense with more than one liners. It doesn't deserve anymore.

Everyone here on the forum now can see you are a total fanatic of US.

You first deny US involvement and total control of the Maidanuts and now you deny that Fascists are in Ukraine active and have all freedoms to kill people which is proven thousand folds on footage everywhere and now you are denying genocide of russians through this right sector scum, but RUSSIA is sending rebels some fire arms, Go get russia its a rogue state omg, poor ukraine sovereignity!

You are disgusting and 100% indoctrinated in american propaganda.

TR1,

You very gleefully reported Sashko Bilyj's elimination when it happened. Some time after that, your tone very conspicuously became very anti-Russian (or became more anti-Russian).

Is there a relationship here?

TR1 wrote:Russia fired Tochka and Iskander near Georgian (sic) cities in 2008 (and over them).

Guys,

let me set something, which is a result of the cyberspace's informational entropy jump, straight here.

1- Most of the Tochka and Iskander missiles that Russia fired during the anti-terrorist action in Georgia were of the types that had EMP warheads.

2- It had been known that this would be the case even before the onset of the anti-terrorist action.

3- This explains all the clueless commentary that was aired by people about Tochka and Iskander system's use after the war (e.g., them missing their targets and such nonsense).

4- This explains the fact that all of the successful Georgian anti-aircraft engagements were due to the use by Georgians of Russian air defense systems (e.g., Buk and Igla systems).

5- This explains the telltale and funny decapitation of "Israeli" anti-aircraft missiles that has been well-documented.

6- This explains the lack of any electronic activity by the Georgians and their handlers.

7- This partially explains the fact that ties became important culinary ingredients in some circles.

TR1 wrote:

Mike E wrote:I'd rather have RU supplying arms to rebels than not doing so. Now that Ukraine has been firing ballistic missiles (inaccurate ones, I'd like to add) on cities full of innocent civilians, and that evidence is piling up that Ukraine shot down MH17 (Ukrainian aircraft flying near, bullet holes that were not caused by shrapnel etc). Besides, even if Russia supplied Buk's to rebels who used them to shoot it down, WHO CARES! The U.S. has been supplying weapons to extremists for years, and now ISIS is running around with U.S. weapons. Yet, nobody seems to care about that, and focuses on demonizing Russia instead. Anyway, if rebels shot MH17 down, it is not like Russia did it themselves. Blaming it on Russia would be like blaming 9/11 on the airlines whose planes were hijacked. This situation is clearly a complete mess, and all parties involved deserve some blame.

.....Russia fired Tochka and Iskander near Georgian cities in 2008 (and over them).

The evidence that Ukraine shot down MH17 is not mounting, it is the same mess it was a week ago.

I care that my government is doing something illegal. I know most people here are not Russians and hence (despite their verbal tirades) actually have no stake in what happens in Russia, but some of us are actually citizens.

Yes Tochka were fired to Gori. But it was a war . A war initiated by Georgia attacking S Ossetia and the Russian forces being there (actualy almost all died from the attack)

In Ukraine is a civil war. A civil war that Kiev does not admit .. declareing it as "antiterror" operation. For the same reason (not admiting they are in a civil war sitution) they let the civilian flights  fly over Donbass. Using Tochka against your own citizens and cities .. is the botom of the sh..t barel. Next is to use Chemicals or Nuks..

οοppss...
http://lifenews.ru/news/137655

На вопрос о том, являются ли владельцы украинского "Привата" собственниками "Элит-холдинга", Гущенко отказался отвечать. Его волнение объяснимо: 7 июля губернатор Днепропетровской области Игорь Коломойский предложил конфисковать имущество у людей, не поддерживающих новую власть в Киеве.

Ukraine shooting at Polish border

Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs plans on contacting their Ukrainian colleagues, requesting full information about the situation in the regions of Ukraine that are bordering Poland. The reason for such request, as it turned out, is a stray bullet fired from the Ukrainian territory.
Local news outlets reported Thursday that the incident on the Ukrainian border with Poland is closely monitored by the Polish Internal Affairs Minister, Bartłomiej Sienkiewicz . The country is discussing this incident, which is more likely to remind of the situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border these days.
A stray bullet, likely fired from a Kalashnikov assault rifle sutiated on a Ukrainian territory, hit the front wall of a house in a Polish village, several hundred meters from the border. Luckily, noone was hurt. The owner reported finding the bullet in his house.
According to Polish officials, standard practice is for the Ukrainian side to always inform their Polish colleagues of any military exercises conducted in the vicinity of the border. Commissar Miroslav Dyyak of the Prevention department of Przemysl Police Commissariate, situated approximately 10 km from the Jaksmanice village, issued a statement that an investigation into this incident is being conducted

source: voiceofSevastopol

Fighting still going on around Avdiyivka as this video from yesterday shows. UA T-64BV destroyed.

TR1 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

TR1 wrote:That the Russian gov is supplying seps with heavy weaponry.

The same conclusion everyone not in the (foreign battalion) Russia strong brigade came to.

Stop dude.. shut up. Nobody FUCKING cares if Russia is arming the Rebels.. That's the right thing to protect civilians.
If you had your family in eastern ukraine imbecile and it was intentionally bombed by the nazi thugs in Ukraine
that now have weapons ,artillery and tanks.. and their house destroyed and family members wounded or killed,
you will be the first one asking Russia for help with weapons .. Learn something moron.. territory does not belong to factions or political parties. the kiev junta does not represent all Ukraine..is actually a minority ,that now is majority ,thats to a violent coup. they do not represent Crimeans.. neither represent odessa ,neither represent eastern Ukraine .. So is not a representative government of Ukraine.. Kiev removed any politician who was seen as Russia supporter . So  the junta that took power with a violent coup..  So Donetsk and Lugansk people have the Legitimate God Dam Rights to defend their lives., defend their future. and not end burned alive by radicals ultra right extremist that hate Russians.  

The level of your pathetic stupidity can be easily seen from a mile by your attempt to compare the Nazis in Russia vs Nazis in Ukraine. You said.. in Russia there are more nazis.. But the Nazis in Russia ARE NOT LEADING A WAR in RUSSIA ARE NOT BOMBING CITIES ,are not KILLING CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN , and being rewarded
later by the government for their actions. In Russia there are laws and people lives respected and Ukraine is a lawless state. Only morons can dare to compare Ukraine with Russia.. is not comparable at all.


Anyone who say US government have nothing to do with the civil war in 1) Ukraine but also in 2) Syria ,cannot be taken seriously in any discussion.. any more than a Psaki Troll ,so please people do not argue with MR america fanboy.. and totally ignore him ,in any Ukraine or other geopolitics discussion..

If trolls like TR1 and TheGeorgian just submit blank post from now on, the quality of the forum would recover. If blank post aren't allowed, then they can type in "1234......".

The audacity of these trolls, of course, is not surprising but is always very interesting though.

Translation: they didn't say exactly what we wanted to hear, they are trolling ;( ;(

That is exactly what they mean.

Come on guys a few are disagreeing with you guys, and then they are trolls.

What kind of bullshit is this?
Just discuss what you guys think and don't accuse someone for trolling so quick ( because he clearly is not trolling ).