Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

TheArmenian wrote:When the oil price was high, Azerbaijan had the money to buy weapons from wherever it wanted.

If Russia refused to sell to Azerbaijan, our forces would have faced Merkava instead of T-90 etc etc.

Azerbaijan would have still gotten the weapons it wanted.
Armenia would have gained nothing
Russia would have lost income ($$$)
Russia would have also lost some influence over Azerbaijan (and that could be a loss to Armenia too)
Israel would have been the winner ($$$)

Of course, as an ally, Russia should not sell to Azerbaijan on ethical grounds. But this is Realpolitiks, ethics has not place in it or on the battlefield.

TheArmenian wrote:New UAV shot down today

medo wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:New UAV shot down today

Shot down or it hit its target? This is kamikaze drone IAI Harop.

Militarov wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:When the oil price was high, Azerbaijan had the money to buy weapons from wherever it wanted.

If Russia refused to sell to Azerbaijan, our forces would have faced Merkava instead of T-90 etc etc.

Azerbaijan would have still gotten the weapons it wanted.
Armenia would have gained nothing
Russia would have lost income ($$$)
Russia would have also lost some influence over Azerbaijan (and that could be a loss to Armenia too)
Israel would have been the winner ($$$)

Of course, as an ally, Russia should not sell to Azerbaijan on ethical grounds. But this is Realpolitiks, ethics has not place in it or on the battlefield.

Actually there are alot higher chances that Azerbaijan would obtain Oplots from Ukraine or refubrished T72s, maybeee overhauled second hand M60s via Turkey or something Chinese rather than Merkava, as Merkava is on banned export items list of Israel. Only Merkavas they tried to sell were Mk1s that they pushed out of servece, and those are by now quite obsolete. But we are aware of your poin, instead of T90s there could have been Type96s or T84 Oplot, there is always someone willing to sell.

Godric wrote:

Militarov wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:When the oil price was high, Azerbaijan had the money to buy weapons from wherever it wanted.

If Russia refused to sell to Azerbaijan, our forces would have faced Merkava instead of T-90 etc etc.

Azerbaijan would have still gotten the weapons it wanted.
Armenia would have gained nothing
Russia would have lost income ($$$)
Russia would have also lost some influence over Azerbaijan (and that could be a loss to Armenia too)
Israel would have been the winner ($$$)

Of course, as an ally, Russia should not sell to Azerbaijan on ethical grounds. But this is Realpolitiks, ethics has not place in it or on the battlefield.

Actually there are alot higher chances that Azerbaijan would obtain Oplots from Ukraine or refubrished T72s, maybeee overhauled second hand M60s via Turkey or something Chinese rather than Merkava, as Merkava is on banned export items list of Israel. Only Merkavas they tried to sell were Mk1s that they pushed out of servece, and those are by now quite obsolete. But we are aware of your poin, instead of T90s there could have been Type96s or T84 Oplot, there is always someone willing to sell.

the Israelis did try to sell Merkava 4s to Columbia in 2012 ... so the Israelis are looking for sales

Armenian wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Armenian wrote:I don't really think our relations can stay as strong as before if Russia continues to sell weapons to Azerbaijan. Armenia itself always remained a trusted ally for Russia. We even stayed togheter about Ukraine crisis and voted in favor of Russia at UN Crimean Resolution .

Selling adversary weapons to Armenia's biggest enemy is a clear betrayal in my opinion. I can't find another word to describe my feelings.

What should Russia have done in your opinion?

Whole thing is back to square one and shooting stopped thanks to Russia.

Was Russia supposed to fight war for Nagorno Karabah? Keep in mind that even Armenia did not send it's military into the fight but Russia somehow should have?

Nobody is expecting Russia fighting for us. We can defend our lands by ourselves.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Haha Armenian griefs are somewhat funny. The biggest single culprit of the recent showdown and emboldening of the Azeri forces has been the Surveillance and drone strike suite that is 100% Israeli. Yet there is no one complaint about it. Nope it`s Rasha bad. Name me one Russian system that has been used to actually cause mayhem on Armenian lines?

The fact is that even the damn SuperMil was an Israeli/SAF upgrade zith BLR/Ukrainian Atgm`s. Wow...guess Rasha is the new Jew, does everything & rules everybody.

Here is the thing,
Israel is not our ally. Russia is.

There is a huge difference you know?

I don't want to turn this into a discussion. I am not talking on behelf of my country. I am writing my own views and observations and i think i made my point clear.

d_taddei2 wrote:to be honest i thought the Armenians did pretty good considering Azerbaijan has 3 times the military budget of Armenia (Armenia $448 million and Azerbaijan $1.46 billion.) and the Azerbaijani forces have more modern equipment, just goes to show its not all about having all the fancy gear, but rather to do with training, another good example is Saudi's vs Houthi's

TheArmenian wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:to be honest i thought the Armenians did pretty good considering Azerbaijan has 3 times the military budget of Armenia (Armenia $448 million and Azerbaijan $1.46 billion.) and the Azerbaijani forces have more modern equipment, just goes to show its not all about having all the fancy gear, but rather to do with training, another good example is Saudi's vs Houthi's

Hahahahahaha...

You are exaggerating too much.
The Azeris are no way as rich as the Saudis.
We are no way as poor as the Houthis.

In fact with the drop in oil prices. The Azerbaijan currency has been devalued heavily. The Armenian currency remained stable.
Living standards are currently similar in both countries.

AttilaA wrote:I already replied on another forum about this "source".

"I'm aware of Habib (author of "meydan), but who said that he is a trustworthy source on this at all? All of his activities are anti-government based, which is not a problem but it's of the extreme type, and he will try anything in his power for propaganda. Habib Abdullayev is residing in Germany, far away from Azerbaijan. How could he have access to such information? How could he/they reach those names? And why he doesn't post photos of them? How are they confirmed? In what way?"

KoTeMoRe wrote:.... fer real? There are people who will speak always. Even the Russians couldn't keep a lid on those tourists that didn't came home.
lol and once again you're so Super Patriot that it eclipses all the Suria Stronggg BS.

AttilaA wrote:I already replied on another forum about this "source".

"I'm aware of Habib (author of "meydan), but who said that he is a trustworthy source on this at all? All of his activities are anti-government based, which is not a problem but it's of the extreme type, and he will try anything in his power for propaganda. Habib Abdullayev is residing in Germany, far away from Azerbaijan. How could he have access to such information? How could he/they reach those names? And why he doesn't post photos of them? How are they confirmed? In what way?"

AttilaA wrote:"Azerbaijani source" in Germany?

The photos of funerals are from those already confirmed officially, I know you will try anything at propaganda, but don't do it with such stupidity.

GarryB wrote:

Morpheus... you are basically flame baiting our Azeri member... I am looking hard at the posting on this thread and the only bad behaviour I have seen so far is a little baiting by AtilaA...

AttilaA wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:.... fer real? There are people who will speak always. Even the Russians couldn't keep a lid on those tourists that didn't came home.
lol and once again you're so Super Patriot that it eclipses all the Suria Stronggg BS.

The only problem is that these people are speaking behind their monitors in...Germany.

AttilaA wrote:Here is a good article.

http://altyn73.livejournal.com/883299.html