Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

Militarov wrote:More shots of Aze equipment:

AttilaA wrote:Regarding "material losses", Azerbaijan lost one helicopter, 1 tank (mine explosion), few UAVs. Despite the Armenian claims about "x number of destroyed Azerbaijani tanks", there has not been a single video/photo evidence of destroyed Azerbaijani tanks. That doesn't makes sense, don't you think? They claim to have destroyed Azerbaijani tanks with Fagot, and what is its maximum range? Why is there not even one evidence out of 30-40 "destroyed" tanks?

Armenia lost 14 tanks and 4 BMP according to their claims. A very high number for such a short period of time, especially with the size of forces involved.

Militarov wrote:

Check this one, Azeris shot down their own Orbiter drone and they are celebrating it, ended even on TV...

Originally appeared at Vzglyad – Russian online magazine. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova and Rhod Mackenzie

The author is a well-known political analyst and expert on the Caucasus

Another flare-up of the conflict in the Nagorny Karabakh is over. But this one differed radically from the previous ones. During both non-military and military confrontations, the initiative generally belonged to Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, and they managed to maintain the status quo: this time it’s Azerbaijan that scores.

First of all, it’s obvious that the main goal in restarting the conflict wasn’t to start a war as such but to update it and attract international attention, showing that the Karabakh conflict wasn’t over. And given the international resonance the flare-up received, Baku scored impressively.

Secondly, the power demonstrated by the Azeri army in this short conflict that was not intended to become a full-scale war, was a surprise to everyone, and the results differ drastically from what we’ve seen before.

Recently during what was probably the most active post-war phase of the conflict, in summer 2014, the Azeri army faced the first defense line of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, but now its troops quickly broke through the two defense lines after taking seven strong points and settlements that Armenians had held for twenty years.

We can’t say the Azeris dominated on the battlefield, losing many tanks, but in general the action was a surprise. The Karabakh had seemed an unassailable fortress, a perfect engineering feat, but we now can’t be sure about that anymore.

Finally, Baku succeeded in driving a wedge between Armenia on the one hand, and Russia and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) on the other. Remember that despite the popular myth that Armenia can defend itself in Nagorny Karabakh, the status quo doctrine for Armenia was always based on the neutralization of Azerbaijan with the help of Moscow and the CSTO freely arming Armenia, while refusing to deliver arms to it and exerting diplomatic and other pressure on Baku, transferring the Karabakh conflict to Armenia’s territory to force both Russia and the CSTO to get involved.

Today the situation shows that none of that worked: the blockade of arms deliveries to Baku failed completely, neither Russia, nor anyone else opted for Armenia, at best pursuing a policy of equidistance.

This resulted in semi-panic and semi-hysterics in the Armenian media, cursing President Putin and claiming Russia had betrayed Armenia before, and it could join the US.

The one considerable drawback for Baku is that much of the international community believes it started the conflict. However, under the current circumstances, that is not very important and for a series of reasons doesn’t imply any urgent threat.

The fact that Armenia is losing confidence in Moscow and CSTO’s ability to help it solve the Karabakh conflict, straining relations with its allies, benefits Azerbaijan, and this is a serious achievement.

The fact that the international community sees it as the aggressor is not crucial, making it a 3:1.

PapaDragon wrote:
Or shorter version: Armenian Military was sitting on it's ass and did not fire a single bullet in Azeri direction. You can't expect others to fight your war without being willing to fight yourself.

Nagorny Karabakh Conflict: 3:1 in Azerbaijan's Favor

Baku managed to drive a wedge between Armenia and Russia

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nagorny-karabakh-conflict-31-azerbaijan/ri13890

Originally appeared at Vzglyad – Russian online magazine. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova and Rhod Mackenzie

The author is a well-known political analyst and expert on the Caucasus

Another flare-up of the conflict in the Nagorny Karabakh is over.  But this one differed radically from the previous ones. During both non-military and military confrontations, the initiative generally belonged to Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, and they managed to maintain the status quo: this time it’s Azerbaijan that scores.

First of all, it’s obvious that the main goal in restarting the conflict wasn’t to start a war as such but to update it and attract international attention, showing that the Karabakh conflict wasn’t over. And given the international resonance the flare-up received, Baku scored impressively.

Secondly, the power demonstrated by the Azeri army in this short conflict that was not intended to become a full-scale war, was a surprise to everyone, and the results differ drastically from what we’ve seen before.

Recently during what was probably the most active post-war phase of the conflict, in summer 2014, the Azeri army faced the first defense line of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, but now its troops quickly broke through the two defense lines after taking seven strong points and settlements that Armenians had held for twenty years.

We can’t say the Azeris dominated on the battlefield, losing many tanks, but in general the action was a surprise. The Karabakh had seemed an unassailable fortress, a perfect engineering feat, but we now can’t be sure about that anymore.

Finally, Baku succeeded in driving a wedge between Armenia on the one hand, and Russia and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) on the other. Remember that despite the popular myth that Armenia can defend itself in Nagorny Karabakh, the status quo doctrine for Armenia was always based on the neutralization of Azerbaijan with the help of Moscow and the CSTO freely arming Armenia, while refusing to deliver arms to it and exerting diplomatic and other pressure on Baku, transferring the Karabakh conflict to Armenia’s territory to force both Russia and the CSTO to get involved.

Today the situation shows that none of that worked: the blockade of arms deliveries to Baku failed completely, neither Russia, nor anyone else opted for Armenia, at best pursuing a policy of equidistance.

This resulted in semi-panic and semi-hysterics in the Armenian media, cursing President Putin and claiming Russia had betrayed Armenia before, and it could join the US.

The one considerable drawback for Baku is that much of the international community believes it started the conflict. However, under the current circumstances, that is not very important and for a series of reasons doesn’t imply any urgent threat.

The fact that Armenia is losing confidence in Moscow and CSTO’s ability to help it solve the Karabakh conflict, straining relations with its allies, benefits Azerbaijan, and this is a serious achievement.

The fact that the international community sees it as the aggressor is not crucial, making it a  3:1.

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:.................

This is not good, Russia needs to do something, the US is doing everything to escalate this situation.

https://southfront.org/international-military-review-analysis-studying-escalation-in-nagorno-karabakh/

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:.................

This is not good, Russia needs to do something, the US is doing everything to escalate this situation.

https://southfront.org/international-military-review-analysis-studying-escalation-in-nagorno-karabakh/

Takes two to tango, like I said, Armenia needs to start shooting back for starters.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:.................

This is not good, Russia needs to do something, the US is doing everything to escalate this situation.

https://southfront.org/international-military-review-analysis-studying-escalation-in-nagorno-karabakh/

Takes two to tango, like I said, Armenia needs to start shooting back for starters.

Armenians started shooting with CIA support. Among other things, that helped to dismantle the Soviet Union.

Now they are even getting a heavily discounted natural gas from Russia.

It is precisely the opposite of Poland, since now it gets kicked in the ass by both Russia and the Western "allies", while Armenia gets to get support from both.

Werewolf wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:.................

This is not good, Russia needs to do something, the US is doing everything to escalate this situation.

https://southfront.org/international-military-review-analysis-studying-escalation-in-nagorno-karabakh/

Takes two to tango, like I said, Armenia needs to start shooting back for starters.

Armenians started shooting with CIA support. Among other things, that helped to dismantle the Soviet Union.

Now they are even getting a heavily discounted natural gas from Russia.

It is precisely the opposite of Poland, since now it gets kicked in the ass by both Russia and the Western "allies", while Armenia gets to get support from both.

Then go get your gas somewhere else, ask fucking Murica' and their fracking companies which promised so much. they are your friends they will give you a tiny price and will massage your balls at the same time because you are so equal partners and friends.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:
In case you do not know it, in Poland vast majority of people are opposed the the fracking and we do NOT want their fracking companies on our soil.

And they are YOUR friends, since you are hosting their military bases much longer than Poland.

And it was YOU who bombed Yugoslavia back in 1999 (and earlier), while Poland did not bomb it.

Werewolf wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:
In case you do not know it, in Poland vast majority of people are opposed the the fracking and we do NOT want their fracking companies on our soil.

And they are YOUR friends, since you are hosting their military bases much longer than Poland.

And it was YOU who bombed Yugoslavia back in 1999 (and earlier), while Poland did not bomb it.

As a vassal state you should know the difference of being a friend/ally and being a bitch which poland is openly, while germany at least tries to have a pseudo image of being a big player, but still funny to be called a slut by the bukkake whore poland.

Pot-Kettle-black, but my own version of that is more suitable for the entire political situation of the countries mentioned above.

PapaDragon wrote:
Or shorter version: Armenian Military was sitting on it's ass and did not fire a single bullet in Azeri direction. You can't expect others to fight your war without being willing to fight yourself.

Nagorny Karabakh Conflict: 3:1 in Azerbaijan's Favor

Baku managed to drive a wedge between Armenia and Russia

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nagorny-karabakh-conflict-31-azerbaijan/ri13890

Originally appeared at Vzglyad – Russian online magazine. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova and Rhod Mackenzie

The author is a well-known political analyst and expert on the Caucasus

Another flare-up of the conflict in the Nagorny Karabakh is over.  But this one differed radically from the previous ones. During both non-military and military confrontations, the initiative generally belonged to Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, and they managed to maintain the status quo: this time it’s Azerbaijan that scores.

First of all, it’s obvious that the main goal in restarting the conflict wasn’t to start a war as such but to update it and attract international attention, showing that the Karabakh conflict wasn’t over. And given the international resonance the flare-up received, Baku scored impressively.

Secondly, the power demonstrated by the Azeri army in this short conflict that was not intended to become a full-scale war, was a surprise to everyone, and the results differ drastically from what we’ve seen before.

Recently during what was probably the most active post-war phase of the conflict, in summer 2014, the Azeri army faced the first defense line of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, but now its troops quickly broke through the two defense lines after taking seven strong points and settlements that Armenians had held for twenty years.

We can’t say the Azeris dominated on the battlefield, losing many tanks, but in general the action was a surprise. The Karabakh had seemed an unassailable fortress, a perfect engineering feat, but we now can’t be sure about that anymore.

Finally, Baku succeeded in driving a wedge between Armenia on the one hand, and Russia and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) on the other. Remember that despite the popular myth that Armenia can defend itself in Nagorny Karabakh, the status quo doctrine for Armenia was always based on the neutralization of Azerbaijan with the help of Moscow and the CSTO freely arming Armenia, while refusing to deliver arms to it and exerting diplomatic and other pressure on Baku, transferring the Karabakh conflict to Armenia’s territory to force both Russia and the CSTO to get involved.

Today the situation shows that none of that worked: the blockade of arms deliveries to Baku failed completely, neither Russia, nor anyone else opted for Armenia, at best pursuing a policy of equidistance.

This resulted in semi-panic and semi-hysterics in the Armenian media, cursing President Putin and claiming Russia had betrayed Armenia before, and it could join the US.

The one considerable drawback for Baku is that much of the international community believes it started the conflict. However, under the current circumstances, that is not very important and for a series of reasons doesn’t imply any urgent threat.

The fact that Armenia is losing confidence in Moscow and CSTO’s ability to help it solve the Karabakh conflict, straining relations with its allies, benefits Azerbaijan, and this is a serious achievement.

The fact that the international community sees it as the aggressor is not crucial, making it a  3:1.

AttilaA wrote:How did you make up all that? How can you possibly be informed about anything related to tactics employed by Azerbaijan in detail? It was a small-scale operation in a short period of time. Someone can try to paint a different picture, but that's what it was. A small fraction of military forces involved in a limited area.

Widespread use of UAVs for joint coordination of troops are not a new thing for Azerbaijani military, such tactics have been employed in exercises all the time. Your examples doesn't even make sense.

For example, even artillery batteries (and I'm talking about a single battery) make use of mini-UAVs at tactical level.