Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.

With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.

If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.

Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.

Isos wrote:Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.

With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.

If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.

Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.

Turks been hit back by RuAF in Syria anyway. Same with SAA attacking Turks directly, etc.

They (azeries) scrambled for forgiveness from Russia after the downing of the Mi-8. Russia then moved into the area in more force. This is rather a border line conflict that is now resolved.

I agree though to an extent. Russia needs to make a strike, maybe at a hardened formation near where the issue happened, to make a point. But then again, these people are not smart enough to understand that.

Turks were attacking SAA with russian sukhoi in the air doing nothing. Azeri went for excuses for the mi-8 but yet the conflict is continuing.

The more Russia plays with the limits of its intention/forgivness or whatever you call that the less trustworthy its help is. They always look at their interest first which isn't how its attitude should be if they have military help agreement since such agreement oblige you to act for someone else interests.

If Armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will get angry at them and will seek help from US.

I'm not talking about blowing up all Azerbaijan or Turkey. But a downed f-16 or an official strike at an artillery position will do the work. Something that even small nations like Iran, Israel or Turkey have done multiple times.

Isos wrote:Turks were attacking SAA with russian sukhoi in the air doing nothing. Azeri went for excuses for the mi-8 but yet the conflict is continuing.

The more Russia plays with the limits of its intention/forgivness or whatever you call that the less trustworthy its help is.

If armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will at angry at them and will seek help from US.

I'm not talking about blowing up all Azerbaijan or Turkey. But a downed f-16 or an official strike at an artillery position will do the work.

Not sure what situation you speak of but I am aware of Turkish units and terrorists targeted by both SAA and RuAF.  So I assume its these silly games non the less.

As for this situation, well that is up to Russia.  If Russia loses allies because of this, like Armenia going to USA, then it will be bad for Armenia regardless and for Russia, well they will realize that their games of forgiveness isn't useful at all and will make things worst for them.

It is actually Putin that is holding back.  The Russian Defense ministry on multiple times have made comments of wanting to act but Putin says no.

So far, things have worked out for Russia.  So I assume that their decisions have given Russia reason to keep this up.

As for the Mi-8 incident, I seem to recall it differently and I was very much more involved in monitoring it than yourself as you were more into the Syrian conflict.  And I recall the Azeries begging Russia for forgiveness and then stopped their actions in that region.  Russia then intervened in the Karabakh region which gave them more territory (Russia).

Edit: I mean, maybe mistakes happen which always do. But you cant deny the fact that Russia is the reason why most of Syria is back under Assads control and not that of foreign forces. There are still issues but slowly and surely, they are taking back more.

I'm not saying Russia does nothing. I'm just saying that if they want to keep having those few allies they have, they better stop taking into account only their own interest when facing difficult choices, specially when they have military agreements.

So yeah they helped SAA, they helped Armenia but not enough. SAA gets bombed everyday and Armenia is loosing territory.

If they did something like answering the downing of the su-24 by a kalibr launch at a turkish military base in Syria or kalibrating some frontline azeri artillery after the mi-8, then there allies would be in a better situation.

Just look how today Turkey isn't afraid of using Syrian airspace ir Azeri attacking directly even if russian peacekeeper are there to monitor the area. Or UK sending its warship inside their waters just in front of one of their main naval base.

Even the smallest russian military response would make such countries think twice.

I have the impression they forget they have 5000 nuclear bombs.

Take down a US helicopter and the next day you see tomahawks flying over your country (no one really cares if they target something).

Azeriea aren't attacking area where Russians are. Gotta brush up a bit on your geography. As for Turks using Syrian airspace? What? They are flying over Tartus, Damascus? Or are they terrorist held area Idlib?

Russia moved into Syria base and Americans fled. America loses equipment all the time.  Americans in Georgia back in 2008 got killed by Russia and Americans denied everything regardless of passports proving it.

America is as guilty as Russia in this.  They both tip toe around issues. Americans are very aggressive compared to Russia but as soon as it's up against someone capable, they tip toe. Russia just does this all the time as war is costly.

But yeah, I agree. They need to bomb Baku and it's forces. Kill lots of people even though situation is resolved.

Dumbass.

Isos wrote:Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.
With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.
If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.
Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.

Whoo whoo whoo, hold your horse, cowboy!
Russkies are bombing the shit out of Turk's gut regular manner.
Shit, they have evaporated a whole expedition command staff back there in Idlib.
Each and every time Turks show their noses out of agreed lines - they can't know the result.
And usually, it is miserable to them.
On the other hand, the Turks muppets, ale being killed each bloody day, one by one.
Bum, bum, bum.
Remind you, that Turks still have some juicy cash to be transferred to Moscow.
They must keep the balance.
Cash flows, bombs flows ...

miketheterrible wrote:Azeriea aren't attacking area where Russians are. Gotta brush up a bit on your geography. As for Turks using Syrian airspace? What? They are flying over Tartus, Damascus? Or are they terrorist held area Idlib?

Russia moved into Syria base and Americans fled. America loses equipment all the time.  Americans in Georgia back in 2008 got killed by Russia and Americans denied everything regardless of passports proving it.

America is as guilty as Russia in this.  They both tip toe around issues.  Americans are very aggressive compared to Russia but as soon as it's up against someone capable, they tip toe. Russia just does this all the time as war is costly.

But yeah, I agree. They need to bomb Baku and it's forces. Kill lots of people even though situation is resolved.

Dumbass.

Syria is barely a country anymore. What is held by SAA is actually held by pro Iran militias which Assad would be happy to get ride of.

Armenia is getting destroyed again and even more they may loose their border with Iran and good luck to get a foot in that country again they succeed.

I bet it's Iran that will save Armenia.

Each and every time Turks show their noses out of agreed lines - they can't know the result.

Happened once. Russia denied it was them and let Turkey blow up SAA for days with its drones flying near Sukhoi which did nothing to protect them. What an ally.

Well, now that is a lot of nonsense.

If Armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will get angry at them and will seek help from US.

If Armenia are stupid enough to blame Putin for the ineptitude of their elected leader then what is Russia fighting for?

I would say Putin fixing all of Armenias problems would vindicate them electing a Navalny as leader.

I would say to Armenia if Azerbaijan keeps violating the agreements and your wonderful US looking new leader wont ask for help from Russia in fear of upsetting his overlords then you need to get angry and remove him from power and get someone who can get the job done there...

Russia should not reward Armenia for whoring around for a better deal...

Happened once. Russia denied it was them and let Turkey blow up SAA for days with its drones flying near Sukhoi which did nothing to protect them. What an ally.

You are European so we understand you don't understand the definition.

Russia is in Syria to kill Terrorists... not to fight Turkey or the US or Israel.

BTW how is your ally the US and your other HATO ally the UK going to split up your Australian Sub deal?

And yet ruaf still vaporized plenty of Turks in Syria.

The turkish drones had two days of free reign and destroyed a handful of vehicles/guns. But only because the syrian army forget to send air defence units into the freed areas of Idlib. After they realised their mistake the drones fell from the sky like... well, burning drones.

Hole wrote:The turkish drones had two days of free reign and destroyed a handful of vehicles/guns. But only because the syrian army forget to send air defence units into the freed areas of Idlib. After they realised their mistake the drones fell from the sky like... well, burning drones.

Which brings me to a point - why doesn't the SAA have more mobile air defense systems on their marches? Or at least not far behind the troops to deal with drones? They are aware that the Turks like to use Drones. So I am pretty sure they are aware of the need to have some kind of AD system not far behind when going forward.

Herewith a map.. Easy to see the strategic objective.

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The main areas of clashes on November 16

Details soon...

Demining by Russian peacekeepers of the territory in the Shusha region of Nagorno-Karabakh

The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today.

JohninMK wrote:The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today.  
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Literally had that same reaction

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today.  
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Literally had that same reaction

I see "Mother" gave you an early Christmas gift ($270)

He should give them 2 baseball bats and leave the room.

Specialists of the humanitarian response center of the Russian peacekeeping contingent provided humanitarian assistance to residents and displaced persons in the Badara village of the Askeran region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Azerbaijan has handed over to Armenia ten servicemen, who were detained during the clashes on November 16 on the countries’ border, Baku’s State Commission for Prisoners of War, Hostages and Missing Persons said on Sunday, noting that the process was mediated by the EU.

https://tass.com/world/1377673

I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

Very important. I think a new thread should be made to monitor and cover all this.

Looks like Azerbaijan got the go ahead to turn up the heat

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/azerbaijan-demands-withdrawal-armenian-troops-around-nagorno-karabakh-fighting-2022-08-03/