Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

Turks... and behind them our precious overlords.

Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)

Bytheway prior to Feb 24 the Azeris had 3 MiG29s in Lviv for maintenance. After the start of the war they told the Ukrainians those MiGs could be used by the Ukrainian airforce.

Azerbaijani 20N5 82mm mortars and QFAB-250 LG guided bombs have also showed up in Ukraine as well.

They have been giving free gasoline to all emergency vehicles in Ukraine and to farmers for sowing season

The Trilateral Agreement needs to be imposed, right the **** now.

And imposed means imposed. No questions asked.

I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

GarryB wrote:

I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

I agree. In perfect world Azerbaijan should get Georgian treatment for their actions. But reality is that both EU and Russia are on good terms with their country. There is no animosity. But let’s not forget that Armenian helped Russia with sanctions and they also sent peacekeepers to Kazakhstan together with Russia. They clearly changed their act. In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

sundoesntrise wrote:Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)

Respect???

Azeris are making business with russians but they are 100 % a western country. If they see a chance to humiliate Armenia they will do it and their western overlords (Turkey, Israel, USA etc) use all their might to persuade them to escalate.

Do you think the escalation in Kosovo and now from the Azeris is a coincidence? Two conflicts flared up in two days. And in Asia they are provoking China right now. They are trying to disrupt the consensus of states that do not condemn Russia. Soon there will certainly be a bang in Kashmir as well. The goals are clear...to harm Russia wherever possible, to humiliate China and to warn India.

Azi wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)

Respect???

Azeris are making business with russians but they are 100 % a western country. If they see a chance to humiliate Armenia they will do it and their western overlords (Turkey, Israel, USA etc) use all their might to persuade them to escalate.

Do you think the escalation in Kosovo and now from the Azeris is a coincidence? Two conflicts flared up in two days. And in Asia they are provoking China right now. They are trying to disrupt the consensus of states that do not condemn Russia. Soon there will certainly be a bang in Kashmir as well. The goals are clear...to harm Russia wherever possible, to humiliate China and to warn India.

You missed the point of my post but agree with you anyway (aside from the remark that Azerbaijan is a Western country which it obviously is not). And I basically stated the same in the China-Taiwan thread, to the dissatisfaction of the 'the US is in the ropes' crowd of course.

As a quick aside, the conflict in Artsakh doesn't officially involve Armenia and their head of state is a complete rat and sellout, and I am personally convinced that they would rather see the Artsakh issue be 'resolved' the Azeri way than continue within the current status quo.

The fight (great power competition) is just starting... there's gonna be many more rounds before a player shows serious signs of being on the ropes.

As for being a good peacekeeping guarantor. It's all about having leverage on both parties and willing to use that leverage to ensure the kids play nice - and the parties believing that such leverage will be used if they behave wrongly. There is a very small clique in Azerbaijan holding the tide, still keeping positive and balanced ties with Russia (president himself included). Unfortunately the majority of Azeri elites are no longer russophiles, but Turkophiles and "Westophiles". Ticking clock if you ask me. Russia should come up with a detailed and balanced proposal for peace and new territory demarcation that's final, and it needs to get the two sides to agree to it. Failure here leads to war of might makes right.

There is this disturbing video of an Azerbaijani solider cutting the throat of an old Armenian, these bastards need to stop this.

In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

I totally agree... Russia making it clear to Azerbaijan how vulnerable they are to attack by Russia (as opposed to by NK or Armenia) and the information that starting something now will lead to such actions becoming reality to cool their heels might be a good way to prevent/avoid further bloodshed.

War should always be the last option, but in this case Russia has all the cards... perhaps that is what the US wants... Russia to wipe out energy assets in Azerbaijan, which would effect supplies promised to the EU so they can blame Russia again for the hardship the EU is about to suffer over the next few years, while saying to the rest of the world how quick to violence Russia is... ignoring their own history of course.

As a quick aside, the conflict in Artsakh doesn't officially involve Armenia and their head of state is a complete rat and sellout, and I am personally convinced that they would rather see the Artsakh issue be 'resolved' the Azeri way than continue within the current status quo.

If anyone should be reacting is it Armenia but they seem to not be that bothered...

Unfortunately the majority of Azeri elites are no longer russophiles, but Turkophiles and "Westophiles". Ticking clock if you ask me. Russia should come up with a detailed and balanced proposal for peace and new territory demarcation that's final, and it needs to get the two sides to agree to it. Failure here leads to war of might makes right.

Well if true that suggests a solution is on its way... either they sign a new deal or they become anti Russia like the west... either would be a solution, but ironically turning to the west to solve the problem would lead to Russias solutions becoming much more black and white and rather less fair and balanced as far as Azerbaijan is concerned... but as you say... it is up to them.

Ironic they could make the same choices that Armenia seems to have made that made this whole situation possible in the first place... very ironic.

If Erdogan is truly on his way to Sochi, then this escalation is not at the behest of the West; at least not directly -
but rather a favour to Erdogan to increase his bargaining power; Turkey being Azerbaijan's closest ally

A different matter however is whether Erdogan is on his way to Sochi to discuss with Putin his own concerns and national interests, or present to him Western demands vis-a-vis the Ukraine. The later would make Azerbaijan an accomplice in the attempted military containment of Russia

par far wrote:There is this disturbing video of an Azerbaijani solider cutting the throat of an old Armenian, these bastards need to stop this.

I haven't seen that video, but I did see a video of Azerbaijani soldiers hanging human skulls from the back of their Army trucks.

Apparantly they had dug those up from an Armenian graveyard that had recently come under their control

It's no surprise that horrible stuff happens in wars but these Azerbaijanis are really strange. Very out and about in their genocidal, maniacal ways.

Regular wrote:

GarryB wrote:

I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

I agree. In perfect world Azerbaijan should get Georgian treatment for their actions. But reality is that both EU and Russia are on good terms with their country. There is no animosity. But let’s not forget that Armenian helped Russia with sanctions and they also sent peacekeepers to Kazakhstan together with Russia. They clearly changed their act. In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

The treatment Georgia got:

http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/264/georgian-losses-reports






I think Azerbaijan is sometimes forgetting that it is "sandwiched" among Armenia, Iran, and Russia.

Not an enviable position.

Interesting forum you have there... more so because that part is dated 2008 so it is when the conflict in Georgia happened and does not appear to have been edited to suit any narrative since.

Normally don't allow promotion of other forums, but I think it is interesting and relevant to this thread so will not do anything about it except have a look for myself.

Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

ig iranians are more serious about protectingn their allies than russia is

Russians can now targets azeri gas production to screw EU even more.

US are clearly doing everything they can to destroy Europe.

limb wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

ig iranians are more serious about protectingn their allies than russia is

No you fool, the Iranians and Russians simply agreed prior to the operation that Armenia's defense will be Iran's responsibility for the duration

As the Russian leadership correctly calculated that the West will try to isolate/overthrow it and Turkey's neutrality would be vital; so they can't make any moves against Azerbaijan themselves.

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

ig iranians are more serious about protectingn their allies than russia is

No you fool, the Iranians and Russians simply agreed prior to the operation that Armenia's defense will be Iran's responsibility for the duration

As the Russian leadership correctly calculated that the West will try to isolate/overthrow it and Turkey's neutrality would be vital; so they can't make any moves against Azerbaijan themselves.

That, and Russia already has gear in the area and soldiers. So Limb is being obtuse yet again.

Last war between Armenia / R. Azer , Russia played a vital and pivotal role in defending Armenia territory from being overrun by Turkish backed Azeri forces , which apart from reclaiming lost territory to Armenia previously , seemed to lack applying brakes on their military / offensive and expansionist juggernaut , toward Yerevan . Iran at that time , apart from shooting down an invading Azeri jet and Israeli drone , moved artillery to border area , to protect it from the war spilling over into Iranian territory . But I doubt Iran could have done any more , like Russia , at stationing troops along Armenia border and taken direct action against Azeris . This is because of large Azeri population in Iran , and their support for " brotherly " Azeris across the border , and existing tensions in Iran , between Persian speakers and Azeri speakers . Therefore Iran's hands are tied for that reason . But Iran can indirectly help Armenia , much more by allowing Russia troops and aid to reach Armenia , through it's soil . But if Turkey will not honour international borders and is encouraging sectarian tensions and incursions into Armenian soil ( seizing a moment of weakness by Russia in Ukraine ) then two can play that game . Iran and Russia can ally with Syrian Kurds to start a separatist move against Turkey . This is much more effective by Iran and Russia to achieve , and will have far less serious repercussions internally for Iran . The Iranian and Iraqi Kurds will also support it . An initial practical move , an arms shipment to the Kurds and incursion into Turkey , however will be enough , and stop the Turks from further adventurism in central Asia .

US are clearly doing everything they can to destroy Europe.

The only rational explanation... those Americans really hate you Europeans... or is it that they see you as more of a rival for them with the rest of the world, so flatten your tires and drive ahead snapping up customers and trade agreements before you can.

But if Turkey will not honour international borders and is encouraging sectarian tensions and incursions into Armenian soil ( seizing a moment of weakness by Russia in Ukraine ) then two can play that game . Iran and Russia can ally with Syrian Kurds to start a separatist move against Turkey . This is much more effective by Iran and Russia to achieve , and will have far less serious repercussions internally for Iran . The Iranian and Iraqi Kurds will also support it . An initial practical move , an arms shipment to the Kurds and incursion into Turkey , however will be enough , and stop the Turks from further adventurism in central Asia .

Is there any evidence that Turkey is actually pushing this or is this the US pushing Azeris directly to divide Russia and the seemingly neutral Turkey (neutral regarding Ukraine).

I would say direct strikes against gas supplies/infrastructure in Azerbaijan would force them to back down and STFU, but those attacks could come from Russia or Iran... if Iran had anything to do with attacks on Saudi oil refineries then they already have the skills and ability to do the same to the gas fields of Azerbaijan, and of course Russia has the capability too...

These retaliation are all possible and not exclusive . If it was the Yanks , then a reminder in Syria ! Death by a thousand ( anonymous ) drones ! Russia may have more to loose by acting against Turkey . Iran may have more to loose by acting against Azer . So you do mine , and I will do yours . Then we both do the yanks .

The only rational explanation... those Americans really hate you Europeans... or is it that they see you as more of a rival for them with the rest of the world, so flatten your tires and drive ahead snapping up customers and trade agreements before you can.

China is becoming too strong. You can't have 3 economical leaders in this world. Only room for 2. China produces everything that US need. Europe nothing and produces high tech stuff that directly compete against US companies and most of the time EU stuff is better (airbus vs boeing for exemple).

So they made all that shit in Ukraine to anhilate european industries and specially german one (which is the only industrial coubtry left in europe).

Everyone sees it here except the corrupted politicians. That's crystal clear.

You can't have 3 economical leaders in this world. Only room for 2.

In the western scheme of things it is dog eat dog so there can only be one leader and the US is bullying everyone to make sure it remains that one leader, but what sort of future does the rest of the world have if the US is going to control them and use them and use them up just so it can have a comfortable existence?

What is in it for the rest of the world?

The reason the rest of the world hasn't jumped on the sanctions bandwagon with the west is that they have all had dealings with the west and they know what total you guys can be.

Russia and China are not offering to take over from the US and be the number on and the bully, they are offering freedom and independence to make your own choices and decisions based on what is best for your country and your region and your culture.

If the US wins how long before French people have to learn English... it is just easier they will say... easier for them of course.

If Russia and China and the rest of the world wins it is not about pushing other countries down it is about everyone lifting everyone else up.

Russia doesn't suffer because China is powerful and China doesn't suffer because Russia is powerful.

Mongolia getting rich does not hurt them either...

International rules and are objective and fair helps everyone and international organisations that are objective and fair is essential too.

Never going to get that with the US in charge... they pick and choose what rules can apply to the US or Israel... and it is always clear how they apply them as to whether that country is a friend or enemy at the moment.

So they made all that shit in Ukraine to anhilate european industries and specially german one (which is the only industrial coubtry left in europe).

Everyone sees it here except the corrupted politicians. That's crystal clear.

You let them do it... they talked about democracy and freedom when they sold you down the river... blaming Putin and Russia for everything along the way...