The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

New updates from Ukraine shelling today..

a little bit graphic.. adult women killed. by ukie shelling..


also about mariupol..

The outskirts

Pro-#Russia|n sources say their troops are already in the #Mariupol "city district of Vostochnyi" via

Apparently the fight will be street by street without artillery to avoid civilian casualties.
I don't think the cease of fire will happen.. 98% that it will not..Novorosiya forces will not stop until they get Mariupol ,since they already inside and ukie army agree to retreat 30km from their cities .

Anybody else just see an influx in anti-Russia propaganda? I have, at least today... (Not like it ever disappeared!)

Mike E wrote:Anybody else just see an influx in anti-Russia propaganda? I have, at least today... (Not like it ever disappeared!)

The anti-Russian propaganda has never ended, even after the collapse of the Soviet Union all the bad guys in movies, television, videogames were always Russian or Slavic Eastern European (like Serbs). Goes to show the false-narratives of when the Cold War was "Official Over" was nothing more than a mountain of lies, and if anything the Cold War went in to hibernation.

I meant short term... You to a single MSM site and you will be blinded! I've only seen it worse once, and that was during MH17...

Rogozin-level trolling...    

‘Most convincing evidence’: Russian embassy trolls NATO with toy tanks



Some of Russia’s diplomats have joined a digital diplomacy row as they trolled NATO by “leaking” on Twitter the alliance’s “most convincing evidence” of Russian troops’ alleged presence in Ukraine.

The Twitter account @RussEmbassyUAE, which is the official Twitter of the Russian Embassy in the United Arab Emirates, posted a picture of tiny toy trucks, tanks and armored vehicles all lined up on the ground, with the words: “#NATO's latest evidence of #Russian armor invading #Ukraine has been leaked! Seems to be the most convincing ever!”

Users on the social media network seem to have liked the “toy tweet” – the picture was retweeted over 1,000 times and nearly 500 people added it to their “favorites."

This is evidently a response to NATO’s release of satellite images described as a “proof” of Russia’s military involvement in Ukraine.

Their Russian counterparts, @Russians at NATO, have hit back with their own map, where they clearly marked the disputed Crimea region as Russian territory.

This recent trolling of NATO coincides with the military alliance’s meeting in Wales, where Russian troops’ alleged presence in Ukraine is one of the key topics.

http://rt.com/news/185148-russian-embassy-nato-trolling/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

They can't do much better than that! Combining humor and truth, all in one message!

Anglo suck-sons pricks start to getting on my nerves. Think they baddas but actually last to fight, just like snail-eaters in Renault tank with four reverse gears a shame of once a powerful Empire, which now tries to defend it's waters against 'evil Russians'

Mike E wrote:They can't do much better than that! Combining humor and truth, all in one message!

This is true. I was thinking of setting up a spoof Obama Twitter account. Its not hard to piss take a clown like that. Its amazing how (relatively!) democratic Twitter can be. Altho usually it needs a bit of time to do REALLY well.

TheGeorgian wrote:An abandoned T-72BM with the white identification stripes in Ilovaisk, also seen in some footage taken by Chechen fighters. So Russia has started to deliver more advanced hardware to the sepratists and also more volunteers arriving from Russia.

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and those stories about entire battalion whiped out.... sure why not brigade, division or army theatre. If Ukrainian army had that many losses, they would have surrendered Kiev to the separatists ....

there was a breakthrough attempt and it ended up with some dozens of UA soldiers killed, unknown number of wounded. Don't be silly. This war is unfortunatly going to drag itself a bit more....

Lol, you just ruined all those "T-72B3" non-sence. It's a Ukr tank, it's their identification stripes. Why would separatisit draw them on their tank? To be hitted by their comrades?
Ukraine did modernisations of T-72 for foreign countries

 By Mariupol, Novorossiya Armed Forces (“NAF”) have conducted recon by combat, which advanced as far as city ourskirts. Both sides suffered minor losses.
In Mariupol itself, enemy columns were seen moving west out of from the city. http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/09/04/

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A corpse that hangs on the wires so to say depicts the degree of the rout of the punitive troops and the local hell in which the retreating troops ended up in.


I think I have been clear with warnings... this post has won you a break of three days. I think I have been clear and fair and I can't ignore such things forever. Problems with my decision PM me.

GarryB

Marioupole
Grads at work..
(fired at 0.04 hit at 0.54 that about 50 seconds)

Якщо ви майбутня вдова – дружина терориста з «ДНР» чи «ЛНР», – запам’ятайте наступне. Ми не воюємо проти жінок та дітей. Але дізнавшись про те, чим займається ваш чоловік, люди, які вас оточуватимуть, зроблять усе необхідне для того, щоб ваше життя перетворилося на пекло. Переконуйте своїх чоловіків у необхідності здатися і кров’ю та потом омити власну ганьбу і злочини проти українського народу. Якщо він цього не зробить, рано чи пізно йому доведеться стати жертвою нашої зброї.

If you are expectant widow - wife of a terrorist "DNR" or "FSC" - note the following. We are not at war against women and children. But knowing that your husband is doing, people who surrounded you, will do everything necessary to make your life turned into hell. Persuade their husbands to give up and need blood and sweat to wash their own shame and crimes against the Ukrainian people.

http://pravyysektor.info/articles/pamyatka-bizhentsyam/

Werewolf wrote:

gregoire wrote:This war, I don't know if it will ever stop. The hate some people of kiev have against the east is the craziest of the craziest. A whole generation has to be wiped out to get things back to normal. Nobody want's that so it will go on for a very long time. Thank the US of Evil for that.

The problem that was created by US in ukraine is the same like they did in China or lot of other countries.

They use always the same method and that means 20+ years of pure propaganda aimed at the coming generation not at the generations that are already considered adults. Someone who is already 20-30 years old is almost impossible to be brainwashed to turn him 180° or in other words to convince him to kill his own kind. A child like currently in Ukraine where little kids are teached to kill russians by knife and teached nazi parols and all that toxic nonsense, they will become a generation of hate consumed society. Russia really has to get a halt of it like China did. US has brainwashed young tibetians who are actually known to be peacefull and 16-20 year old tibetians were brainwashed and trained in the US to use violance against China and ended up getting occupied by China, right now you don't hear much about it..actually you don't hear anything about it. The chinese have stopped the entire influence of foreigners in their regions. Russia was stupid and naive enough for past two decades were americans have turned slavic people against slavic people.

Russia has to stop this brainwashing nonsense over hollywood, video games, american,british etc operated "News Agencies" in russia and the NGO's that are operated by any government that are from abroad.
Otherwise this will never stop. If Russia would steer up anti anglo saxon shit in US,UK or whereever you want to imagine they would already speak this "brainwashing" openly out and condemn russia for it, but russia just does nothing against those kind of acts of war.

I know. It has been done many times in history. Common people aren't aware of this way of brainwashing because it takes a life time and you have to be aware of it. Once you're brainwashed it's hard to go back unless you are shocked back into reality and even that takes time. I started to notice a shift in politics at the end of the 90's. All european government made a swing to the right while most of them were traditionally leftist. I had to ask myself why. First, yes, there was a crisis coming so I thought they were preparing for war. Now I believe it wasn't for the war itself but for the readiness to go to war under rightist/nazi flags because suddenly there was this uplift in interest in everything hitler did on the internet. It was there for everybody to read were before it was one of the biggest taboos. It even went this far that even in the office I worked a person asked if I had read mein kampf and he didn't understand why someone shouldn't read it (I think so to but for different reasons). Well, this may seem logical but for a society that had demonised nazi ideology so vehemently it was a bit odd. So I think this ukraine "war" had been planned far in advance and they hoped europeans would support it. I guess it came to early.

Mike E wrote:~2-3 years ago, so not that far back! Happened when I began to question Libya, Iraq, and Syria...

+1 to Nikola Tesla

Situation in Novorossiya, on 04/09/14 (with a bit higher resolution)

Source: http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/

So finally the story of "Russian army tanks" caught in Ukraine is collapsing on its own..
the double white lines marks are done by the Ukie army on their armor.. or maybe is just one Brigade..
Russia have send no T-72 tanks to Ukraine ,perhaps only light and medium weapons,with a couple of thousands private soldiers volunteers that are retired from the army. all the tanks captured inside comes from the Ukraine army..

And Putin is not an idiot.. he will not sent ever their latest models T-72b3 to Ukraine to damage its sales
in case is destroyed. Is business practices 101. You need to always protect the image of your products.
The T-72s that looks like Russian B3s were mods done by the Ukraine defense industry.. in other words they
are regular T-72 Exports from Russia Defense industry ,that were sold to central Europe and that they asked Ukraine to upgrade them..  So is not the same tank , not the same armor ,not the same features and i don't think it have reactive armor from Russia but an Ukraine version. the T-72b3-copies  are nothing more than T-72 exports upgraded by ukraine and that they were given back to Ukraine to help them in the war. case closed.  

So don't ever expect to see in Ukraine war any modern tank or combat jet..from Russia federation. No T-72b3 ,
No T-90s , No Armata T-95 , No Ka-52 or MI-28N . What will make sense is if Russia invade Ukraine they will use
special versions of T-72..with reinforced armor but that will look like same old tanks.. Russia have a HUGE , HUGE
business selling T-90s to India.. they want 1,000. And it will be completely retarded to send T-90s there and later
the western media shows many of them destroyed in the battle field in Ukraine.. so that later India change its mind
and decide to buy a Leopard or leclerk instead. If Russia is forced to invade they will try to do the job with hardware that is not their best and that sales well.  Smaller weapons like Krasnopol munition ,Kornets-d etc.. could be a different story.. but im sure there was to be a strong policy of destroying modern hardware and not allowing the enemy to capture any if there is a risk of happening,so that they are later reverse engineered.

This is the main reason people expecting to see NATO modern tanks ,fighting so close to Russian borders will have to wait for another much bigger war . and not so close to Russian borders ,were they can easily capture the hardware and move it to Russia.

the double white lines marks are done by the Ukie army on their armor.. or maybe is just one Brigade..

It's standard identification lines issued by all ATO forces

В Сумской области Украины на границе с Россией выкопали 60 км рва
http://lifenews.ru/news/139702


ho ho ho ..

arpakola wrote:В Сумской области Украины на границе с Россией выкопали 60 км рва
http://lifenews.ru/news/139702

ho ho ho ..

Let's wait until their engineers invent medieval wooden palicades... Great Ukrainian Wooden Palisade

Oh God, it's total nonsence compared to modern military engeneer support...

https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine?hc_location=timeline

Wow the map

What are the areas with stripes? Not 100% under control?


About the T-72...

What ukraine had before the war? Roughly 500 to 800 T-72 total? Maybe ~100 of them being operable... Most of those should be T-72B model 1985-89, with 4S20 (kontakt 1) ERA bricks... right? Ukraine probably also have a fair amount of older T-72, like T-72A(V) or T-72M1(V)...

Why would they use them, because they lost too much T-64 and can't replace them with stocks? It seems quite unbelievable to me, but, why not.
Of course, for kiev, using T-72 helps a lot its propaganda machine and delivers doubt, because "everyone knows UKR uses T-64"... And blame russia for those T-72 on its territory when they lose some.

As crazy and foolish as it sounds, Vann7, those *might* still be real russian T-72B3. Yes it's senseless for russia to send such tanks while they can easily send in T-64B or older T-72B... But, maybe it's not as easy as we think:

Look it this way: between 2011-early 2014, many units saw their T-72B or T-80B tanks being replaced by those new T-72BA and T-72B3... And guess what happened to them old tanks, scraped, stocked, or sent for overhaul... Basically unavailable. And when there was a urge to send tanks to help NAF, they had no other choice than sending these tanks ready and operable. My guess, those T-72B3 were simply given to rebels, but it may also be real russian crew inside sent in special assist operation by their hierarchy. According to all accounts anyway, crews were not seen/captured, simply evacuated safely after disabling or break down. Destroyed T-72B3 with turret far away was probably blown up later by demolition charges by UKR soldiers, to be sure rebels wouldn't use them again.

For the white stripes... It can simply be painted just after UKR forces found them and "captured them" for their own use, it proves nothing.

For the other theory, can you find any T-72M/ M1 in eastern europe which had such modernisation like 4S22 ERA (kontakt 5), and other obvious guizmos typical of T-72B3/BA?... It's bogus to me. Even if they were wicked enough to mount such a false flag and disguise a pair of T-72M into T-72B3, they frankly wouldn't have... They have other problems really, the entire army collapses, they don't have time for such things.


Imho, russia sent already several dozen tanks to the rebels, including T-64BV either from russian stocks or former UKR units in crimea, regular T-72B and those handful T-72BA/B3. Amount is between ~15 and 50 certainly.

Novorussian forces in June capture Artemovsk tank base with around 700 tanks, BMPs and BTRs. There were also T-72 tanks. Anyone know, if they manage to evacuate all those vehicles from base and now repair them to operational level. I think repairing T-72 have more sense for Novorussian army as they could easier get spare parts from UVZ than spare parts for T-64 tanks, which were produced in Ukraine in Harkov.

If they evacuate all those vehicles and if we count here all captured ones, than Novorussian army posses nearly 1000 armor vehicles, although not all operational. Combined with all destroyed vehicles, than Ukrainian army really lost a huge part of their armor and I doubt they will be able to replace all those losses.

Don't forget Ukraine also have Kontakt-5 ERA bricks as they build them on T-80 tanks. They sell their T-80UD tanks to Pakistan with Kontakt-5 ERA. I don't see a problem for Ukraine to modernize some of their T-72B with Kontakt-5 ERA and buy some Sosna-U FCS in Belarus to equip tanks similar to T-72B3.