The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

kvs wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Voting results map from the 2012 parliamentary election in Ukraine.

The two main zones are Party of Regions (Yanukovich) in blue and the Fatherland Party (Timoshenko) in purple.

You can see the territorial division of Ukraine.   It is composed of two basically mutually exclusive regions.  The
west-center and the south-east.   There is no Ukraine.  It is a stitched together artificial creation that is ripe
for partition.  

Recall that the Fatherland Party took part in the coup against Yanukovich and helped destroy the Party of Regions.
Anyone who thinks that Ukrainian politics are those of a unified country is either and idiot or lying.

If anyone come to the conclusion that US and its major allies main strategy is manipulating world opinion to see Russia as the aggressor you will be 100% correct. Public Opinion is everything.... wrote:

Vann7 wrote:And kiev do it again with their false flags.. they now blaming novorosiya for the killing of 10 civilians in mariupol..
rebels says they do not have artillery that could go that far.. from their positions.  


will quote a line of what i told in my previous post..



 

and today.. this news..!!!!!!

Kiev say at least 10 people have been reported killed by artillery shelling in Mariupol in eastern Ukraine. Kiev has blamed the militia

http://rt.com/news/225891-mariupol-eastern-ukraine-shelling/

Russia have not invaded and kiev is already starting more false flags ,using all their tricks  to attempt discredit Novorrosiya fighters by framing them into the killing of civilians.. when the evidence they can use is weak.. ie.. Rebels Artillery not at range of mariupol city.  Make no mistakes .. the goal of this attacks aside of discredit the Rebels world wide.. it seek to encourage to fight the ukie army to continue fighting. their criminal war. with the
pretext of " save civilians" and kick invisible Russian Federation soldiers from ukraine.

par far wrote:
This has me very worried, these bastards will do anything. Time to take the fight to them and capture as much as you can.

Ukrainian Politician: Armed Coup against Poroshenko Is Coming

A former People's Deputy of Ukraine warns that Poroshenko's days are numbered

Oleg Tsarov UKRAINE Fri, Jan 23

Oleg Tsarov is a former People's Deputy of Ukraine elected for the Party of Regions. He is now a key figure in Novorossiya. The following message was posted on his Facebook page.

According to available information, the Ukraine is preparing another armed coup. Structures close to Alexander Turchinov and Yatsenyuk Arsenіy, with direct support from the US State Department organized the "People's veche", which will meet on the initiative of the Council of the Maidan. During the veche will be taken vote of censure to the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. In the guilt he would put the current economic situation, corruption, inability to resolve the political crisis, the loss of the Crimea.

A year ago on Maidan sounded slogans on the establishment of democracy, European values in Ukraine. After the change of power it did not appear. Moreover, the situation has become much worse in terms of full-scale military operations in the south-east, the growing dissatisfaction of the people of Ukraine, which cut social payments - someone must answer for it. The role of "of sacral victim" was given to Poroshenko.

This is supported by the fact that After the Christmas holidays at the initiative of the governing Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine will be held in Kiev Ukrainian action of protest in front of the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

Event organizers intend to remind the President and the Government of Ukraine to follow the pre-election promises to reform the socio-political and economic spheres, raising living standards in the countryand so on. The demonstrators will demand higher wages and compliance with the terms of collective agreements in industrial enterprises and institutions of Ukraine.

His interest in carrying out this action is showing Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, who is trying to use it not against himself, but against Poroshenko. For this purpose he entrusted his supporters of the Popular Front, using the capabilities of the Interior Ministry and Arsen Avakov, to meet with leaders of labor union and to agree on the direction of the action.

To counteract the intention of government Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine picket the administration of President, Ministry and the Verkhovna Rada, interior minister Avakov instructed to establish control over the leadership of the Federation of Trade Unions, and,primarily, for the chairman and his deputy Saenkov, including by visual monitoring and wiretapping.

Thus, according to the information I have, they have already installed wiretaps of FPA deputy chairman Vladimir Saenko, in particular, tel. 289-31-50, 067-232-02-00. Total 5 heads FPU taken on illegal "control" the Interior Ministry. As far as I know, on January 15 the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine A. Avakov held a meeting, which was attended by head of the SBU V. Nalyvaychenko and representatives of the Attorney General. The main topic of the meeting was tough actions of law enforcement agencies of Ukraine with regard to the planned "right sector" of January 20 protests. Following the meeting, the decision was made the need to curb the supply chain of weapons from the zone of ATO activists "Right Sector", as well as to restrict entry to Kiev radically-minded youth for the period from 16 January to 23 February. In case of resistance given the command to open fire.

Also on 16 January at 13.00 the head of the SBU Nalyvaychenko, Valentin had a meeting at which the heads of relevant structural units, it was announced that in the case of implementation of the "right sector" preparing stocks, they will be applied to disciplinary actionup to dismissal of the structures.

Poroshenko was not smeared with the blood of the Maidan, he did not participate in the decision to murder people to Maydan received his sacred sacrifice. During Maidan he spent much more time in the administration of President Yanukovych than the square. In particular, the rise of the tractor in an attempt to stop the attackers, he agreed, at the request of the most influential people close to Vіktor Yanukovich.

Poroshenko was too independent, having, as a former foreign minister, many personal connections abroad. He is not as obedient as would like him to be his Western curators. His peaceful rhetoric caused by purely pragmatic interests. In the case of a military scenario will increase the influence of the military battalions coordinated Avakov, Kolomoisky, Igor Valerevich and others, that will weaken his power. In addition, it is clear that Ukraine will lose the war. As it was many times in history, the United States easily sacrifice performer. Let me remind - the war crimes has no statute of limitations. In addition, Poroshenko has a confectioner factory in Russia which suggests that he has good connections in Moscow. Americans can't like this.

Will be successful the third Maidan, time will show. While the familiar deputies of the Verkhovna Rada are waiting for the alarm events and bring away their families from Ukraine.

Kyo wrote:She dumb or she feigns it?

Mogherini sees 'grave deterioration' in Russia-EU relations over Mariupol

Kyo wrote:Seems like Porky's days are on a countdown

Ukrainian Politician: Armed Coup against Poroshenko Is Coming

A former People's Deputy of Ukraine warns that Poroshenko's days are numbered

Oleg Tsarov UKRAINE Fri, Jan 23

Oleg Tsarov is a former People's Deputy of Ukraine elected for the Party of Regions. He is now a key figure in Novorossiya. The following message was posted on his Facebook page.

According to available information, the Ukraine is preparing another armed coup. Structures close to Alexander Turchinov and Yatsenyuk Arsenіy, with direct support from the US State Department organized the "People's veche", which will meet on the initiative of the Council of the Maidan. During the veche will be taken vote of censure to the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. In the guilt he would put the current economic situation, corruption, inability to resolve the political crisis, the loss of the Crimea.

A year ago on Maidan sounded slogans on the establishment of democracy, European values in Ukraine. After the change of power it did not appear. Moreover, the situation has become much worse in terms of full-scale military operations in the south-east, the growing dissatisfaction of the people of Ukraine, which cut social payments - someone must answer for it. The role of "of sacral victim" was given to Poroshenko.

This is supported by the fact that After the Christmas holidays at the initiative of the governing Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine will be held in Kiev Ukrainian action of protest in front of the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

Event organizers intend to remind the President and the Government of Ukraine to follow the pre-election promises to reform the socio-political and economic spheres, raising living standards in the countryand so on. The demonstrators will demand higher wages and compliance with the terms of collective agreements in industrial enterprises and institutions of Ukraine.

His interest in carrying out this action is showing Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, who is trying to use it not against himself, but against Poroshenko. For this purpose he entrusted his supporters of the Popular Front, using the capabilities of the Interior Ministry and Arsen Avakov, to meet with leaders of labor union and to agree on the direction of the action.

To counteract the intention of government Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine picket the administration of President, Ministry and the Verkhovna Rada, interior minister Avakov instructed to establish control over the leadership of the Federation of Trade Unions, and,primarily, for the chairman and his deputy Saenkov, including by visual monitoring and wiretapping.

Thus, according to the information I have, they have already installed wiretaps of FPA deputy chairman Vladimir Saenko, in particular, tel. 289-31-50, 067-232-02-00. Total 5 heads FPU taken on illegal "control" the Interior Ministry. As far as I know, on January 15 the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine A. Avakov held a meeting, which was attended by head of the SBU V. Nalyvaychenko and representatives of the Attorney General. The main topic of the meeting was tough actions of law enforcement agencies of Ukraine with regard to the planned "right sector" of January 20 protests. Following the meeting, the decision was made the need to curb the supply chain of weapons from the zone of ATO activists "Right Sector", as well as to restrict entry to Kiev radically-minded youth for the period from 16 January to 23 February. In case of resistance given the command to open fire.

Also on 16 January at 13.00 the head of the SBU Nalyvaychenko, Valentin had a meeting at which the heads of relevant structural units, it was announced that in the case of implementation of the "right sector" preparing stocks, they will be applied to disciplinary actionup to dismissal of the structures.

Poroshenko was not smeared with the blood of the Maidan, he did not participate in the decision to murder people to Maydan received his sacred sacrifice. During Maidan he spent much more time in the administration of President Yanukovych than the square. In particular, the rise of the tractor in an attempt to stop the attackers, he agreed, at the request of the most influential people close to Vіktor Yanukovich.

Poroshenko was too independent, having, as a former foreign minister, many personal connections abroad. He is not as obedient as would like him to be his Western curators. His peaceful rhetoric caused by purely pragmatic interests. In the case of a military scenario will increase the influence of the military battalions coordinated Avakov, Kolomoisky, Igor Valerevich and others, that will weaken his power. In addition, it is clear that Ukraine will lose the war. As it was many times in history, the United States easily sacrifice performer. Let me remind - the war crimes has no statute of limitations. In addition, Poroshenko has a confectioner factory in Russia which suggests that he has good connections in Moscow. Americans can't like this.

Will be successful the third Maidan, time will show. While the familiar deputies of the Verkhovna Rada are waiting for the alarm events and bring away their families from Ukraine.

Vann7 wrote:Is really sickening.. how the EU serves like prostitutes to USA and follow their criminals games..
Americans go provoke unrest and violence and a coup in Kiev with their dirty money overthrowing a democratically elected government with full support of Europe.. and a civil war start.. and suddenly is the fault of Russia for what happens in Ukraine.. completely ignoring their role in the destabilization of Ukraine.

For months Kiev have been shelling Donetsk and Lugansk killing thousands of civilians with more than enough
evidence to condemn kiev of war crimes.. and NEVER they have condemned kiev not a single time..for it..

Now almost a year later .. after Kiev have been promoting the ethnic cleansing of Russians , the burning of them alive ,the shelling of their cities ,shutting down planes.. suddenly a shelling happens in mariupol killing dozens of civilians.. with early information that the shelling could have come from Rebels zones.. and they threaten Russia with cut diplomatic relations.. what a bunch of bastards.. they are.  How could Europe become so corrupt is unbelievable.

You only have to look at their hypocrisy ..when US finance,train and provide weapons to terrorist in middle east..
including Alqaeda and ISIS to create wars ,and overthrow governments and Europe look to the sides.. but how dare
Russia goes to help civilians ,ethnic Russians asking for help at their borders ,after US provoke a civil war and kiev start shelling their cities.

There are reports from local residents that the Ukrainian law enforcers dress up as militia and go to the north-eastern part of Mariupol. Unmarked buses go to the east of the city. Provocations are prepared by NG disguised as militia. wrote:

Regular wrote:
Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Regular wrote:
Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

Where is that picture taken?

sepheronx wrote:
Mercenaries?

Regular wrote:
Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
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I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.

Secondly, if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.

The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rapture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.

Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).

Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.

This is a  battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.

Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.

What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The  lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups.

This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today. Therefore, the wet dreams about the "hero-cyborgs", spitting flame on hundreds of Russian tanks, are better left to science fiction writers."