PAK-FA, T-50: News #3

New National Defence Magazine

http://www.oborona.ru/

FGFA/PMF 2015

Page 45 http://164.100.47.134/lsscommittee/Defence/16_Defence_10.pdf

The committee would also like to have complete details in regard to the achievements
made so far for the research and Development phase contract for the Fifth Generation
Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Such details should pronounce the dates when negotiations
started and by when it was likely to be finalized. The committee are satisfied to learn
that a contract for 42 more Su-30 MKI aircraft was signed on 24 December 2012 and
induction of these aircraft were expected to be completed by 2019-20. In this addition to
the force, the committee would like to see a scenario where no time and cost
escalations take place and the contract proceeds within the dates specified above. The
committee would also like this be monitored on quarterly basis by an officer of the
ministry not below the rank of Additional Secretary

The Ministry, in its Action Taken Reply, has stated as under:-

FGFA

The following milestones have been completed in respect of the FGFA project.
 IGA signed - October 2007
 Confidentiality Agreement signed - July 2008
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 General Contract signed - December 2008
 IAF Technical Requirements Finalized - August 2009
 Work share finalized –November 2009
 Joint Specification document (TTA) signed - March 2010
 CCS Approval for PD Stage – December 2010
 Preliminary Design (PD) Contract negotiated & signed–21 December 2010
 T0 for PD Stage - 25 February 2011
 PD Stage completed – 19 June 2013
During the PD stage, the basic technical configuration of the FGFA has been completed
jointly by Indian team led by HAL and Sukhoi Design Bureau of Russia. An elaborate set of
design documentation has been delivered to HAL in two stages during the PD stage. From
the Indian side, in addition to HAL, the following agencies had participated during PD stage.
 DARE, DRDO: Low & High Band Jammers, Dual Colour IR Missile Approach Warning
System, Laser Warning Receiver, modules of the Mission Computer
 LRDE, DRDO: Side AESA Arrays, ISAR Algorithm for the main Radar
 ADE, DRDO: Second Flight Control Computer
 BDL: CMDS
 System Control: Weapon Bay Door Control System
Anticipating a long lead time for drawing up and finalization of the R&D Contract, HAL
initiated discussions with the Russian side as early as in September 2011. Substantial
progress has been achieved in drawing up the R&D Contract as a result of the
discussions so far. The progress is summarized as follows.
 Eight rounds (Sep 2011,Dec 2011,Mar 2012,Apr 2012,Jul 2012,Apr 2013,Sep 2013,Oct
2013) of technical discussions held between the two sides to define the deliverables and
principles of cooperation
 Contract has been discussed clause by clause towards resolution of issues and to clearly
define the terms of agreement. Unresolved issues has been highlighted for taking up in
the CNC
 CNC headed by JS (Aero) was formed by MoD in March 2012.
 CNC set up Expert Group of Cost Analysts in Oct 2012 to verify the cost details, to collect
breakup of costs and to make recommendations.
 Four rounds (Oct 2012, Nov 2012, Jan 2013 and March 2013) of bilateral discussions held
between expert group & the Russian side.
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 After submission of report by Expert Group, four rounds of bilateral negotiations (July,
2013, Oct. 2013, Feb. 2014, March 2014) were held by the CNC. Next bilateral CNC is
planned during April, 2014.
 Recently, IAF has voiced certain concerns on the technical capabilities and features of the
PMF aircraft. These issues have been formally taken up with the Russian side through the
CNC. During the recent bilateral CNC meeting in March 2014, 19 clarifications provided by
Russian side as against the 27 concerns/points raised by IAF. Balance clarifications are to
be provided by Russian side.
 In view of the complexity of the project and the extent of cost negotiations involved, it is
estimated that the process of finalization of the R&D Contract will take at least 3-4 months
provided the technical issues are resolved to the satisfaction of the Indian Side
 Subsequently, the approval of CCS will be sought for formal sanction to go ahead with the
R&D stage.

HD Video of PAK-FA display at MAKS

PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html

PapaDragon wrote:
PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html

So it is safe to assume that they are internal?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html

So it is safe to assume that they are internal?

That would be my guess given the size of weapon bays and bombs themselves. They should be able to cary a lot more if loaded externally.

Otherwise one ton load would be nothing to write home about...

PapaDragon wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html

So it is safe to assume that they are internal?

That would be my guess given the size of weapon bays and bombs themselves. They should be able to cary a lot more if loaded externally.

Otherwise one ton load would be nothing to write home about...

Didn't make note of the weight. My bad. On that note, I would like to see the FAB-100 developed into a SDB analog.

Something is wrong with the original article from Sputnik and the deductions you guys are making.
The Grom-1 and Grom-2 weigh 600 kg each.

I just skim read the article, but I took the Grom and Grom 2 to be updates of the AS-18 Kazoo, which is a missile that has been in service for decades and basically equates to the SLAM-ER... ie a long range subsonic missile with TV guidance with a datalink that transmits the scene around the target back to the launch platform so the weapon officer can select the target and the missile will go in for the kill on its own.

The new Grom-1 is stealthy and has a 250kg payload and a jet engine, while the Grom-2 is a gliding bomb with the jet component replaced with more HE.

the Grom-1 has a 250kg HE payload and the Grom-2 has double that but only a relatively short glide range... though I assume it is intended for a supersonic lofted release into enemy territory to maximise range.

GarryB wrote:I just skim read the article, but I took the Grom and Grom 2 to be updates of the AS-18 Kazoo, which is a missile that has been in service for decades and basically equates to the SLAM-ER... ie a long range subsonic missile with TV guidance with a datalink that transmits the scene around the target back to the launch platform so the weapon officer can select the target and the missile will go in for the kill on its own.

The new Grom-1 is stealthy and has a 250kg payload and a jet engine, while the Grom-2 is a gliding bomb with the jet component replaced with more HE.

the Grom-1 has a 250kg HE payload and the Grom-2 has double that but only a relatively short glide range... though I assume it is intended for a supersonic lofted release into enemy territory to maximise range.

GarryB I am truly the shocked, you have missed the wonderful feature of these two munitions.


The key element that maked this weapon so absolutely unique to others design is superior fraction of payload mass to overall weapon mass.

Also not forget, these weapon are also compatible with the internal bay of PAK-FA, while not one single cruise missile in western stock, save for JSOW/-ER are compatible with internal bay of F-35, to not even speak of F-22.


These munition allow one PAK-FA to deliver equivalent weapons payload of two F-35 equipped with similar munition.

New Weapons Highlight T-50 Strike Role

MAKS 2015: KTRV showcases Kh-59MK2 aircraft guided missile upgrades

Among the most significant weapons to be exhibited at MAKS 2015 was an updated version of the Kh-59 stand-off land attack missile, called the Kh-59MK2.

Developed by the Raduga Design Bureau, part of Russia's Tactical Missiles Corporation (KTRV), the new variant - about to enter flight testing - has been configured to fit in the internal weapons bay of the Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50) fighter aircraft. Additionally, the body of the missile has been optimised for a reduced radar cross section (RCS).

The new, stealthy Kh-59MK2 is 4.2 m long, has a wingspan of 2.5 m, and a 0.4x0.4 m cross section with its wings and fins folded. Although currently designated as part of the Kh-59 family, it is expected to receive an entirely new designation in the future.

As for the original Kh-59, the missile is intended to strike a variety of fixed ground targets, including targets with low radar, infrared (IR), and optical background contrast, known position co-ordinates, and target area information features. Powered by a Saturn 37-04 bypass turbojet (or a 50MT turbojet for export), the modernised Kh-59MK2 has an acknowledged range of 290 km. It incorporates an INS and a satellite guidance system (GPS and GLONASS) that can provide mid-course guidance, and an electro-optical (EO) terminal guidance system that gives a circular error probable of 3 m in either day or night operations. One or more missions can be loaded into that system to provide optional guidance on different targets.

The missile can fly as low as 50 m over the ground, with warhead options including a 310 kg penetrator or submunitions.

Interesting pod cast from Bill Sweetman who returned from MAKS and describes some stuff on jamming system

http://aviationweek.com/defense/podcast-russia-counters-us-advantages

Transcript is out here http://aviationweek.com/defense/russians-showcase-new-munitions

GunshipDemocracy wrote:New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet

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Great find buddy, I've was just about to ask about this helmet.

+1 !!!

The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

Can't see the pic....some sort of error

Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

Will the new helmet and the other pilot tech from the PAK-FA filter down less advanced fighters like Su-35S?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet




http://rg.ru/2015/09/08/shlem-site.html (after Yandex translation)

Helmet of the pilot of the Sukhoi PAK FA has become the embodiment of fantasy
Helmets for pilots of the air force, which in the late 90's showed in the sci-Fi Thriller, it has almost become a reality, said Deputy General Director of concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Igor Nasenkov.



In an interview vestigethat leads to the press service of the state Corporation rostec, and Igor Nasenkov remembered the Russian fighter of the 90-ies of the last century "Blue thunder". There was shown a helmet helicopter pilot with a fantastic for those times opportunities o on the windshield of the helmet all the parameters needed by the pilot to carry out the mission.

"Now these helmets have become a reality, says Igor Nasenkov. - They are developed by our concern for pilots of modern fighter aircraft of the fifth generation PAK-FA and were presented at the exhibition "Army-2015". This helmet replaces multiple devices and is equipped with a large number of sensors. They capture the head movements of the pilot and depending on where he turns his head, projecting points on the information that he needed at the moment. Here comes the function of selecting and targeting and much more. The pilot remains only to press the right buttons on the handle".

The Deputy Director of the group said that has become a reality and another fantastic function - when the points on the helmet of the pilot is projected virtual image of the battlefield, where your troops with one color marked, enemies and other objects of the enemy shall be ranked by grade and immediately are assigned to a particular missile under the wing.

The PAK FA will be equipped with hypersonic missiles
"With regard to the functions of marking a different color, then it's pretty easy to do. Our concern is 90 percent of the market production of a unified system of state radar identification which, for simplicity called "friend or foe". And in all of our military vehicles - land, sea and air are radar interrogators and transponders. So when, for example combat aircraft flying over the battlefield, he works the system Board "Password" or "Guardian" and the pilot who sees the battlefield "his" and who is "alien" and automatically marks them with the right color," the press service cites rostec words Igor Nasenkov.

We will add that now and in other structures of the Russian military-industrial complex are similar. Thus, the development of the technology of augmented reality are now engaged in the Russian Foundation for advanced research.

According to specialists Fund, the technology is most applicable in the Russian air force. It will broadcast on the windshield of the helmet of the pilot of a combat plane or helicopter information that the pilot visually can't have. And this, in turn, will allow, for example, to direct the weapon at the target without hands - a simple turn of the head.

I don't see what's sci-fi is about this helmet unless we are living in the past century !

Cyberspec wrote:

Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

Can't see the pic....some sort of error

Strange. It should work just fine as it is flickr link. Here is the direct link anyway; https://farm1.staticflickr.com/573/21250946276_a77144c166_o.jpg

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Will the new helmet and the other pilot tech from the PAK-FA filter down less advanced fighters like Su-35S?

I am not sure about the new helmet, but Su-35S already uses the same ejection seat, basically the same OBOGS system and will probably use the non HMD helmet called ZSh-10 when they get the production up and running. Same story with the suit i guess.

ZSh-10;

What would be the point of that? Since Russia has used HMD systems for years, why would they opt out of one for Su-35S? Makes no sense and a huge drawback from previous systems.

You do realize that the simple system used for R-73 helmet tracking is still available on Su-35S* and that is NOT what we are talking about?

*Well, it is made in Ukraine so they have to replace it asap zulu...

And what are the plans for the import substitution on it? Anything in the works? I am not entirely sure about thee new helmets but if they hold a new HMD system, then good.