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Nikander wrote:sepheronx wrote:Nikander wrote:sepheronx wrote:Neutrality wrote:sephernox help me understand a thing. You call up on every Russian to wake up and realize what's happening on their soil. You hold Putin accountable for what's happening on Russia's doorstep. Please tell me why you're not so hard for the people of Eastern Ukraine, who up to this day allow the atrocities to happen in their country. Why do Russians living in Russia have to be more concerned about Ukraine than the people of Ukraine themselves?
In all honesty dude, I am terribly disappointed in you. You always seemed as a calculated person in your replies. I've been reading your posts long before I decided to join on MP.net. I'm shocked at these unintelligent and emotional outbursts that you're writing.
Because I disagree with you people about Putin and how I see he is doing squat, compared to everyone else claiming he is doing things behind the scenes, makes me unintelligent and miscalculated? Eastern Ukraine is doing something about it, hence the Donetsk and Lugansk regions being their own territory. They are fighting off a regime who is funded by US while these guys are getting scraps. But they have asked for help to Russia initially and got nothing while Crimea got it all. As a Ukrainian ethnic myself, I find it sad and very much a betrayal. Add to that, Putin has shown support to Kiev by giving cheap gas, over looked the stealing of gas and not demand compensation, sold it cheap coal, and has not called in the $3B debts early since Kiev broke the agreements held on it. Add to this, he allowed civillians in his own territory to be killed By another nations army and did nothing about it. No retalitory strike. All of this points out to me a different story than what many here think. This shows to me he has gotten cold feet over the sanctions and is more worried about the supposed 2-3% gdp drop this year and potential growth next year, and wants it all to go back to way it was before.
One must understand, that if you show weakness, people will take advantage of that. Putin has shown weakness on Ukraine affair, and after Ukraine, US will attempt further.
Another thing I see is that he has not gone after NGO's within his own country as some of them openly refused to register properly, that is breaking the law. Yet, they still opperate freely in Russia, no one arrested Or the NGO not kicked out. And they have enough evidence that where money is coming from and going to. They know all of this and doing nothing (was said in media). Even Venezuela reduced US embassy to a couple of people and started kicking out the foreign NGO's causing problems. Putin has not, at all, except USAid. So why just one NGO, when many others are doing the same as USAid and even worst, breaking the law.
I have my beliefes, and something tells me he is being paid off or someone is threatening him.
You continue to talk out of your ass. Today's world order is crumbling, economic model is not working but the ruling classes are desperate to save it to save themselves. As it stands the future that awaits the world is either major war, civil war in the US or elsewhere in the West, hyperinflation or changing the economic model into something better and more human. What do you think is the favorite scenario for the bankers and their servants? I'm pretty sure a major war in which Russia is the key participant. Putin knows this and that's why he was saying that he will not allow anyone to push Russia into war. That's also the reason for the very pacifist stetements that he makes, because it's clear by reading and watching the western media that they want people to hate Russia so as to accept war as something inevitable if it happens. Russia and Putin are beating this trap very well till now with their calm and calculated actions, working the media very well and yes even that annoying thing that everyone hates when they call anyone in the West their partners and friends is part of the same game. If Russia acted as Strelkov wanted and you obviously, not only would they lose friends in the East but the warmongers in the West would get everything they want to put their plan into action. Because the neoliberal elite wants war Putin needs to do everything that it doesn't happen, and that means delaying it as much as possible to give Russia a chance to be more ready for it if it happens, give antiwar forces in the West to stop it and also hope that situation changes in the Ukraine herself.
So what constitutes not getting Russia into war? So if USA attacked tomorrow, Russia wont bother defending itself cause it doesn't want to get into a war? Are you serious? Already Russians are getting snuffed off. If I was talking out of my ass, you would be simply taking each point I am saying and disproving it. Pray tell, how am I wrong? Should I present links for you of the cheap gas and cheap coal? Or how part of the $3B purchases in Eurobonds was that Ukraine cannot contain more than 70% debt to GDP, which they already have, and thus would require for Russia to call in that debt? I am not talking out of my ass son, I am just pointing out facts that were present in media.
- Cheap Gas March 31 2015: http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-pushing-gazprom-to-provide-discount-gas-to-ukraine-2015-3
- Cheap Coal/Electricity Dec 27,2014: http://article.wn.com/view/2014/12/27/Russia_to_supply_coal_electricity_to_Ukraine/
- Ukraine breaks $3B Eurobond Debt Agreement: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-10/thank-you-western-taxpayer-russia-accelerate-3bn-ukraine-debt
Of course that Russia would defend herself but US won't attack tomorrow. They must have a reason for their actions, so when Crimea happened they did what? More troops in the East, spearhead forces, control centers. They could do it because they had a reason which could be sold to the public. If Russia invaded Nato could do whatever they wanted, propaganda would be enormous and people in the West would applaud Nato actions whatever they might be. I already disapproved your points. Cheap gas and coal are linked with lack of water and electricity in Crimea. Also lets remember Transnistria, there was bargaining with Ukraine also. For the bonds I have also answered you but you want to believe the worst and that Putin is some kind of traitor, so what can I say to you. Believe what you want
You disproved nothing. BTW, water pipes from Russia to Crimea are completed, so what now? They have flooded crimea with generators as well.
Once kerch strait is built and they do nothing, what is your next excuse? Btw, i didnt necessarily say invasion, but full support to Donbass.
Such snakes.
