The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

franco wrote:So Nuland says that the US doesn't want resumption of hostilities in East Ukraine and that the Kiev leadership have assured her that they don't http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=592897 then the NAF should be put on High Alert!

Duh. The putch regime does not need an offensive per se. The putch regime uses 152 mm artillery to bomb the people of Donbas every day, day and night. The putch regime is committing genocide and Putin turns a blind eye. Make no mistake, more people are getting killed these days than last year before Minsk. Get the word out. Russian civilians need to know what is happening to the people of Donbas there is a genocide being carried out right across the border.

Flagship Victory wrote:You know, DPR released all captured Maidanists out of a gesture of good will. Don't expect Maidanists to do the same.    Foolish decision by DPR IMO. But Zackarchenko is not to be blamed. Rather, Putin should be blamed for this. It must have been Putin who said to release all Maidanists out of a gesture of good will.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/reuters-ukraine-security-chief-accuses-russian-soldiers-of-killing-ukrainian-serviceman-388836.html

DPR and LPR have released practically thousands of war prisoners during the war. Probably for "good will". All they got was that the same people they released were sent to war by the Kiev junta again.

Flagship Victory wrote:

franco wrote:So Nuland says that the US doesn't want resumption of hostilities in East Ukraine and that the Kiev leadership have assured her that they don't http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=592897 then the NAF should be put on High Alert!

Duh. The putch regime does not need an offensive per se. The putch regime uses 152 mm artillery to bomb the people of Donbas every day, day and night. The putch regime is committing genocide and Putin turns a blind eye. Make no mistake, more people are getting killed these days than last year before Minsk. Get the word out. Russian civilians need to know what is happening to the people of Donbas there is a genocide being carried out right across the border.

That is a working strategy. Just keep shelling the civilians indefinitely until they have had enough and surrender. Nobody is going to stop them. Nobody is going to punish them.

franco wrote:So Nuland says that the US doesn't want resumption of hostilities in East Ukraine and that the Kiev leadership have assured her that they don't http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=592897 then the NAF should be put on High Alert!

NAF is on high alert 24/7, they're not rookies anymore.

We can safely say after more than a year that this is not their first rodeo. Plus they get their intel from Russia.

Maidanists to present captured POWs to the media. Looks like this will get ugly.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-455-crimean-tatars-mark-71st-anniversary-of-stalins-deportation/

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

franco wrote:So Nuland says that the US doesn't want resumption of hostilities in East Ukraine and that the Kiev leadership have assured her that they don't http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=592897 then the NAF should be put on High Alert!

Duh. The putch regime does not need an offensive per se. The putch regime uses 152 mm artillery to bomb the people of Donbas every day, day and night. The putch regime is committing genocide and Putin turns a blind eye. Make no mistake, more people are getting killed these days than last year before Minsk. Get the word out. Russian civilians need to know what is happening to the people of Donbas there is a genocide being carried out right across the border.

That is a working strategy. Just keep shelling the civilians indefinitely until they have had enough and surrender. Nobody is going to stop them. Nobody is going to punish them.

You don't know Russians then. Even people who were sceptic about separatism joined rebels, cause they were shelled by Kiev and their loved ones were killed. Ukrainian artillery is planting seeds of separatism in people hearts and minds. As genocide tool is so inefficient to use artillery. Even in Slovensk people are not cleansed even if they are pro sep mostly. You guys are insulting people who were actually kept in extermination camps by real nazis if You are comparing it to what Kiev does. Sure its fucking bad, but it's nothing like General Plan Ost

Flagship Victory wrote:Maidanists to present captured POWs to the media. Looks like this will get ugly.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-455-crimean-tatars-mark-71st-anniversary-of-stalins-deportation/

Let them. When they got VDV guys no one gave a fuck.
Now though shit for the POWs, but it's their professional hazard anyways

Flagship Victory wrote:Maidanists to present captured POWs to the media. Looks like this will get ugly.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-455-crimean-tatars-mark-71st-anniversary-of-stalins-deportation/

Oh, please... how are we supposed to know if those guys are who Kiev says they are. They could just as well be some Donbass locals who got captured and threatened into performing for the camera. Or they might as well be some Ukrainian "performers".

Those two smooth-faced late-teens look a bit young to be some badass GRU black-ops operators.

What proof we have? Handwritten IDs and video confession?

I can get you video confession dude...

What is funny is that the names of the two capture lugansk guys was mentioned in Fortruss yesterday, so it would be easier for them to stage something with the names given. As well, their id are from Lugansk. Get an injured soldier who is captured to talk isnt gonna be hard, especially if you tell him what should say.

Putin's biggest mistake was stopping at Crimea .. when the Odessa massacre happened the Red Army should have rolled all the way to Odessa Oblast and annexing the whole of South West Russia back from the Hahols Lenin should never have given sacred Russian land and Russian people to these Russian haters

Could be these guys:

http://lug-info.com/news/one/kievskie-siloviki-zakhvatili-v-plen-na-territorii-lnr-dvukh-boitsov-narodnoi-militsii-3281

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Also:

Kiev Announces Capture of Two 'Russian War Criminals', Wants to Swap for 400 Ukrainian POWs

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/kiev-announces-capture-two-russian-soldiers-bans-russian-journalists-attending-press

Kiev claims its military has captured two Russian soldiers fighting with rebels in eastern Ukraine. But you’re not allowed to dispute this claim if you are a reporter with a Russian passport.

Western media outlets are dutifully regurgitating Kiev’s claim that it has captured two Russian intelligence officers in eastern Ukraine. However, apparently only “trusted” journalists have been allowed access to the story. AP reporter Nataliya Vasilyeva was banned from attending the news conference regarding the prisoners because she has a Russian passport.

According to reports, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry has proposed a POW swap with Russia in which the two alleged Russian officers would be exchanged for Nadezhda Savchenko and 400 Ukrainians. Anton Gerashchenko, advisor to the head of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, also called the two captured men “war criminals.”

PapaDragon wrote:What proof we have? Handwritten IDs and video confession?

They appear to be two former servicemen Russian volunteers, that's beyond question, the real thing is how the issue is being handled by Ukrainian authorities

Anton Gerashchenko's FaceBook via Google Translate wrote:Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich. Seems Nadia Savchenko and nearly 400 Ukrainian citizens who are held captive by your terrorists will soon have to go back home!
After we will have a fair and open trial of the two war criminals from Russia, which you sent to us to kill our citizens, offer an exchange:
Two Russian war criminals, those who have been your will change in the Hope Savchenko and all of our nearly 400 prisoners.
PS I think that all the world's TV channels - CNN, BBC, NBC, FOX NEWS, Euronews had escorted their reporters on a plane to Kiev.
The press conference can be arranged directly from the hospital on Skype, if the health of two prisoners of war the Russian army will allow.
We are not animals, unlike you Neuvazliayev GDP!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JhRUb6JTD50
Please repost the maximum, so that as many Russians saw this video! FaceBook

‏@olarhat wrote:

5 канал wrote:# US approved treatment to prisoners commandos

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Godric wrote:Putin's biggest mistake was stopping at Crimea .. when the Odessa massacre happened the Red Army should have rolled all the way to Odessa Oblast and annexing the whole of South West Russia back from the Hahols Lenin should never have given sacred Russian land and Russian people to these Russian haters

I agree. If ethnic Chinese get killed by the thousands in Singapore or Malaysia, hmm, no, don't expect the Chinese president to act like Putin. Chinese military would have went right there and kicked butt.

Flagship Victory wrote:I agree. If ethnic Chinese get killed by the thousands in Singapore or Malaysia, hmm, no, don't expect the Chinese president to act like Putin. Chinese military would have went right there and kicked butt.

Or just evacuate their nationals like it happened in Vietnam just a year ago...

CNN wrote:May 18, 2014
China evacuates thousands of citizens from Vietnam after deadly attacks
Continue reading.

Godric wrote:Putin's biggest mistake was stopping at Crimea .. when the Odessa massacre happened the Red Army should have rolled all the way to Odessa Oblast and annexing the whole of South West Russia back from the Hahols Lenin should never have given sacred Russian land and Russian people to these Russian haters

You are suggesting that Russia should start making same stupid mistakes Kiev has been making for over a year. This is a long war, one fought not only by arms but also by media, diplomacy and money.

Casualties are unfortunate, but this is war and you can't sacrifice core strategic objectives just to soothe your conscience.

War is extremely dirty business, something a lot of posters here seem to forget, and loosing a war even so you could save or avenge lives of civilians would be disrespectful for the suffering of those civilians (most of whom are still technically Ukrainians since most of them still obediently accept Nazi rule).

Victory will be best vengeance.

whir wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I agree. If ethnic Chinese get killed by the thousands in Singapore or Malaysia, hmm, no, don't expect the Chinese president to act like Putin. Chinese military would have went right there and kicked butt.

Or just evacuate their nationals like it happened in Vietnam just a year ago...

CNN wrote:May 18, 2014
China evacuates thousands of citizens from Vietnam after deadly attacks
Continue reading.

True, but the attacks have been minor. Only a couple of ethnic Chinese killed. Furthermore, the attacks are an isolated incident, not a systematic kill-everyone-who-do-not-submit style genocide being carried out by putch in Donbas. Make no mistake. Chinese president is not soft like Putin. He does not care about American respect. Putin, on the other hand, turns a blind eye to genocide, even though American Abrams tanks are coming to Donbas to be parked right on Russia's border.

East Ukraine militia insist on Kiev’s releasing two fighters captured by Ukrainian troops

The fighters were captured after an attack of the Ukrainian army near the settlement of Schastye, militia say

http://tass.ru/en/world/795359

MOSCOW, May 18. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) insists on Kiev’s immediately releasing two fighters taken prisoner by Kiev troops in the vicinity of the town of Schastye in eastern Ukraine, LuganskInformCentre quoted first deputy commander of the LPR People’s Militia Sergey Kozlov as saying on Monday.

"In line with provision six of the Minsk agreements that were signed by the Ukrainian president and with an aim of avoiding further escalation of the situation in the region, we demand an immediate release of our militias, Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev," he said. "Mistreatment of our will not be left without consequences."

He stressed that LPR’s militias "have always been humane towards all captives." "I would like to stress that I am speaking not only about servicemen of the Ukrainian army but about soldiers of Ukrainian punitive battalions, including foreigners. We offered emergency assistance to all of them and let them return home," he said.

On Sunday, Kozlov told LuganskInformCenter Ukrainian troops had taken prisoner two LPR militias in the LPR territory. "Yesterday (on May 16), a reconnaissance group of the Ukrainian army crossed the engagement line, the Seversky Donets River, east of the settlement Schastye, at about 13:00 and attacked an observation post of the LPR people’s militia," quoted him as saying. Two militias were wounded in an exchange of fire and then taken prisoner.

Nuland and her sock puppets in Kiev have only chutzpah and nothing else really.

Calling a couple of volunteers from Russia defending Donbas civilians against a punitive terror campaign
by Kiev "war criminals" is thick and rich and smells to High Heaven.   What did these volunteers do?  Randomly shell
Lviv?  Oh, that's right, it's Nuland's puppets who perpetrate the actual war crimes.

PapaDragon wrote:East Ukraine militia insist on Kiev’s releasing two fighters captured by Ukrainian troops

The fighters were captured after an attack of the Ukrainian army near the settlement of Schastye, militia say

http://tass.ru/en/world/795359

MOSCOW, May 18. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) insists on Kiev’s immediately releasing two fighters taken prisoner by Kiev troops in the vicinity of the town of Schastye in eastern Ukraine, LuganskInformCentre quoted first deputy commander of the LPR People’s Militia Sergey Kozlov as saying on Monday.

"In line with provision six of the Minsk agreements that were signed by the Ukrainian president and with an aim of avoiding further escalation of the situation in the region, we demand an immediate release of our militias, Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev," he said. "Mistreatment of our will not be left without consequences."

He stressed that LPR’s militias "have always been humane towards all captives." "I would like to stress that I am speaking not only about servicemen of the Ukrainian army but about soldiers of Ukrainian punitive battalions, including foreigners. We offered emergency assistance to all of them and let them return home," he said.

On Sunday, Kozlov told LuganskInformCenter Ukrainian troops had taken prisoner two LPR militias in the LPR territory. "Yesterday (on May 16), a reconnaissance group of the Ukrainian army crossed the engagement line, the Seversky Donets River, east of the settlement Schastye, at about 13:00 and attacked an observation post of the LPR people’s militia," quoted him as saying. Two militias were wounded in an exchange of fire and then taken prisoner.

They should have thought about it before releasing all their Maidanist captives out of a gestures of good will.  Hopefull they learned their lesson.

more BS from putch

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-russia-tried-kill-captured-russian-soldiers-150406355.html

PapaDragon wrote:

Godric wrote:Putin's biggest mistake was stopping at Crimea .. when the Odessa massacre happened the Red Army should have rolled all the way to Odessa Oblast and annexing the whole of South West Russia back from the Hahols Lenin should never have given sacred Russian land and Russian people to these Russian haters

You are suggesting that Russia should start making same stupid mistakes Kiev has been making for over a year. This is a long war, one fought not only by arms but also by media, diplomacy and money.

Casualties are unfortunate, but this is war and you can't sacrifice core strategic objectives just to soothe your conscience.  

War is extremely dirty business, something a lot of posters here seem to forget, and loosing a war even so you could save or avenge lives of civilians would be disrespectful for the suffering of those civilians (most of whom are still technically Ukrainians since most of them still obediently accept Nazi rule).

Victory will be best vengeance.    

I have a massive problem when it comes to burning people alive and clubbing people to death after they jumped from the building to escape the flames and I also have a problem with the display of Nazi emblems like the WolfsAngel the emblem of the 2nd SS panzer Division Das Reich, SS runes (lightening bands) and Swastikas yet Obama and his hypocritical pals during the Normandy remembrance stated they had to be vigilant and fight fascism yet they back and helped these fascist pigs in Kyiv to gain power who openly display Nazi emblems and label war criminals as national heroes it's akin to Austria declaring Hitler a national hero

Guys it is fucking simple, do not wage a war against rest of seperatists ukrainians (west) just find out the bastards that did that and then use blackops to kill them to serve justice, like this bastard scum that was caught on footage that clubed the innocent man lying on the floor to death. We know his face, find out where he is and torture himt o death, because a slow death is not acceptable not for what this subhuman nazi did.

This POW media BS from junta reminds me of that time just before Ilovaysk when that Right Sector idiot bragged about destroying Armata tank with RPG and capturing the crew (on top of destroying 200 more APCs and tanks that day).

We all know what happened later at Ilovaysk

Just more signs of desperation from Kiev.
I'll go with Khepesh's assessment of situation here, shit will hit the fan for Kiev soon, it won't be pretty and Kiev knows it hence the recent batch of extra BS.

Every single day putch shells the people of Novorossiya with 120 mm, 122 mm, 152 mm, 220 mm artillery rounds which should have been banned under Minsk 2, yet Putin says not a word. If all people of Novorossiya get killed, and that would be in the millions, would Putin say a word? I just want a clear cut straight answer. Would Putin say a word? Yes or no? As a Canadian, this entire situation is beyond my comprehension.

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https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine

thats the Russian invasion 2 soldiers , that were observing and that are likely forced to say they are from Russia.. their ID's ,,lol   RUssian Special forces do not use their ID's or passports in secret mission.. how do they got any Id from them.. perhaps they received it directly from
Putin.. LOL

Its likely a fraud , captured 2 Local militia and told them they will be killed if not say what they want..  still is a good fraud.. It will make everyone believe they are Russian soldiers because
thats what they say with guns pointing at their head.  Anyone who remember the 10 Russian n
border guards ,teens that were captured in the border near Russia and surrender their weapons without a fight and without .. and they all were saying how good the Right Sector is.. that they do not understand why they called nazis.. whhile captured..

Clearly they were acting ..and it did locked fake as hell .. Did time they got faked some ID's and a longer interrogation.. Still DOnetsk or Lugansk ministry told they were locals from Ukraine.

People should also remember the journalist who were captured in Ukraine.. from a popular
media from Russia.. i think it was lifenews ,and Kiev claiming they were terrorist with Guns and showed them on video with rocket grenades..

Is worth to notice that the Aidar battalion did not killed them..and fired them at their feet,
according to kiev original story.. but the "Russian soldiers" in the other hand killed ukrainians
.so they fire at the Russians in their feets ,while the Russians shoot to kill? who write that stuff.
and supposedly their rifles jam ,but there was 2 prisoners.. so 2 rifles jam?

Im sure if real special forces are in a bad position they will shoot to kill ,and never allow to be captured.. and they will never be 2 lonely soldiers ,they will have asked for help by radio to counter the ukies. the whole story doesn't add ,specially knowing how violent Aidar are..
the soldier said in the interview they were 14.. but were are the others? i can't wait to see what Donetsk or lugansk have to say about the whole thing.

Godric wrote:......................................

I have a massive problem when it comes to burning people alive and clubbing people to death after they jumped from the building to escape the flames and I also have a problem with the display of Nazi emblems like the WolfsAngel the emblem of the 2nd SS panzer Division Das Reich, SS runes (lightening bands) and Swastikas yet Obama and his hypocritical pals during the Normandy remembrance stated they had to be vigilant and fight fascism yet they back and helped these fascist pigs in Kyiv   to gain power who openly display Nazi emblems and label war criminals as national heroes it's akin to Austria declaring Hitler a national hero

I completely agree with you here.

But like I sad: long game. You can do it fast, you can do it right but you can't do both.

I would pick doing it right even though it takes time and is not clean and pretty.