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Russian navy last year show interest for additional MiG-29K/KUB. Any informations regarding negotiations or orders for them?
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MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News
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GarryB wrote:The MiG-35 was pretty much developed for the Indians... so when they chose the Rafale it took time to adapt the design to suit the Russian AF.
Now it seems they have finalised the design specifically for the RuAF and for an export customer and so they can now start producing them.
It would make sense for VKS but only if price is right and MiGs they are getting are absolutely latest and the greatest. Otherwise they should stick with Su30
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PapaDragon wrote:GarryB wrote:The MiG-35 was pretty much developed for the Indians... so when they chose the Rafale it took time to adapt the design to suit the Russian AF.
Now it seems they have finalised the design specifically for the RuAF and for an export customer and so they can now start producing them.
It would make sense for VKS but only if price is right and MiGs they are getting are absolutely latest and the greatest. Otherwise they should stick with Su30
Probably India may stick with Su. Su has better payload and range, and it can carry bigger, more powerful avionics and radar. Radars like Bars or Irbis is powerful enough at the moment (the West has nothing better than them), and its not like India need an AESA nose mounted radar at least for the next 10 years.
Traditionally, it is Su who has been designed to be the powerful and advanced, while MiG is cheap/massive alternatives (except MiG-25/31).
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MiG-29SMTs will go to Ashuluk airfield
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/608454.html
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/608454.html
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Egypt will buy Mig-29, and Mig-29 M, in the exchange of Mistral. Strange swap, but in political area nothing is impossible. These Mig-29 won't have AESA radars. Anyway it is a very good news for this wonderful OKB. I often hear Sukhoi contract, but Mig contracts are rather rare these last years.mack8 wrote:
Hope this contract will bear fruit (very curious if it is Egypt or Algeria)...
This Mikoyan faillures could be explained by the fact that many of russian's potential clients were all destroyed by US in the name of...their democracy, and their concept of freedom.
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It would make sense for VKS but only if price is right and MiGs they are getting are absolutely latest and the greatest. Otherwise they should stick with Su30
The MiG-35 is rather more sophisticated than any model Su-30... it does not have their range or payload but in many cases that extra range and payload is not needed.
You might use the extra range for 1% of missions, and with inflight refuelling not even that... and more importantly no aircraft operates with anything like max payload except in bombing missions perhaps, but even then with jammers and external fuel tanks and AAMs for self defence few will carry anything like their max payload.
In WWII an aircraft might carry its max capacity of dumb bombs but even better results can be achieved these days with 1-2 guided bombs so there is little need for your fighters to haul around max payload weights of dumb bombs.
Probably India may stick with Su. Su has better payload and range, and it can carry bigger, more powerful avionics and radar. Radars like Bars or Irbis is powerful enough at the moment (the West has nothing better than them), and its not like India need an AESA nose mounted radar at least for the next 10 years.
Traditionally, it is Su who has been designed to be the powerful and advanced, while MiG is cheap/massive alternatives (except MiG-25/31).
If India is really serious about diversity of war material then having MiGs makes a lot of sense.
A MiG-29SMT or their UPG variants are capability of multirole use with guided weapons... you don't need a 10 foot wide AESA to drop laser guided bombs, and for most targets you don't need to fly 3,000km to the target area and back.
Smaller lighter cheaper fighters make sense.
but Mig contracts are rather rare these last years.
That is an important thing to keep in mind... we are not just talking MiG vs Sukhoi... each company has other companies they deal with... so Saturn works with Sukhoi (AL-31s et al) and Klimov works with MiG (RD-33), and it is the same with radars and sensors and other components, so when MiG succeeds it means other companies also keep alive and earn money to further their products and upgrade their tools and production capacity and buy new design tools etc etc.
Neglect MiG and you will have no choice in 10 years time.
Fortunately it seems the MiG-41 will be funded, and of course the potential for a light 5th gen fighter from MiG is also on the cards if not totally certain...
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George1 wrote:Isos wrote:AK-Rex wrote:Wow..!! MiG corp signed great contract on 50 MiG-29M/M2s for unknown North African country (Egypt ??)
Rus to deliver first 2 new MiG-29Ms to North African customer at the end of 2016
Source: https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/
What are these 4 black missiles on it? I saw them on allmost every photo of mig 35 but I can't identify them.
i think they are KAB-500KR bombs
Has it enough power to attack turkish aircrafts in hangars ? Wich missiles and bombs would be used for this role ?
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Their 122mm calibre unguided rockets are intended specifically for the role of punching through armoured hangars and then exploding inside.
Most armour piercing bombs would also do the trick like the KAB-1500L-Pr penetrating guided bomb.
Most armour piercing bombs would also do the trick like the KAB-1500L-Pr penetrating guided bomb.
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GarryB wrote:Their 122mm calibre unguided rockets are intended specifically for the role of punching through armoured hangars and then exploding inside.
Most armour piercing bombs would also do the trick like the KAB-1500L-Pr penetrating guided bomb.
How many rockets per hangar ?
Can they use Kh-23/25 for that role ?
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Aircraft are rather fragile, so one or two rockets should be enough if they penetrate right into where the aircraft are located.
Of course cluster bombs with anti runway munitions could also be used, or cruise missiles or Kh-59M missiles with similar munitions could do the job too.
Of course we are talking about American F-16s so just destroying the runways would keep the aircraft on the ground so they could take no part in any conflict... would be good enough.
Kh-25 might be a little light... Kh-29 would ensure the job is done but might be a bit of overkill...
As the hangars are not portable I would suggest Satellite guided bombs would be the most efficient way to deal with such things... 40 - 50 at a time from a Tu-22M3M...
Of course cluster bombs with anti runway munitions could also be used, or cruise missiles or Kh-59M missiles with similar munitions could do the job too.
Of course we are talking about American F-16s so just destroying the runways would keep the aircraft on the ground so they could take no part in any conflict... would be good enough.
Kh-25 might be a little light... Kh-29 would ensure the job is done but might be a bit of overkill...
As the hangars are not portable I would suggest Satellite guided bombs would be the most efficient way to deal with such things... 40 - 50 at a time from a Tu-22M3M...
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Here says that there are only 9 MiG-29s in Armenia
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078999@egNews
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078999@egNews
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George1 wrote:Here says that there are only 9 MiG-29s in Armenia
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078999@egNews
The generally accepted number for Mig-29S's left in service is 14. The others may be out getting up-graded??
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franco wrote:George1 wrote:Here says that there are only 9 MiG-29s in Armenia
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078999@egNews
The generally accepted number for Mig-29S's left in service is 14. The others may be out getting up-graded??
probably, but it seems that they are "getting repaired" not any considerable modernization to SM/SMT standard
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George1 wrote:franco wrote:George1 wrote:Here says that there are only 9 MiG-29s in Armenia
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078999@egNews
The generally accepted number for Mig-29S's left in service is 14. The others may be out getting up-graded??
probably, but it seems that they are "getting repaired" not any considerable modernization to SM/SMT standard
Unless you take the last sentence of the article as the upgrades... hard to say. All the more reason to get the SMT's there asap.
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A completely different picture from this article... just goes to show how much the media can mix it up. George's article comes from the Ministry of Defense so no question which one is correct IMO.
https://www.rt.com/news/333091-russia-aircraft-base-armenia/
https://www.rt.com/news/333091-russia-aircraft-base-armenia/
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Newest MiG-29SMTs have been 6 by now
Source: https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/704774725109751808
Source: https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/704774725109751808
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http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201603171849-ovai.htm
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
Министерство обороны России в 2016 году получит на вооружение новейший истребитель МиГ-35. Сборка многообещающего авиакомплекса, как самолет называют профессионалы, уже началась. Вскоре первые экземпляры пройдут летные испытания.
МиГ-35 сочетает в себе массу элементов истребителя нового поколения - малозаметный и многофункциональный истребитель, предназначен для уничтожения точечных очагов боевых действий, объектов ПВО или «отработки» по крупным административным центрам, предприятиям оборонки, стратегическим объектам, таким как атомные электростанции.
Russian Ministry of Defense in 2016 were armed with the newest fighter, the MiG-35. Assembling a promising aviation complex, the aircraft called professionals already begun. Soon, the first copies will be flight-tested.
MiG-35 combines a lot of elements of the new-generation fighter - unobtrusive and multi-role fighter, designed to eliminate hotbeds of point fighting, air defense facilities, or "mining" in large administrative centers, enterprises, defense, strategic sites, such as nuclear power plants.
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
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medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201603171849-ovai.htm
Министерство обороны России в 2016 году получит на вооружение новейший истребитель МиГ-35. Сборка многообещающего авиакомплекса, как самолет называют профессионалы, уже началась. Вскоре первые экземпляры пройдут летные испытания.
МиГ-35 сочетает в себе массу элементов истребителя нового поколения - малозаметный и многофункциональный истребитель, предназначен для уничтожения точечных очагов боевых действий, объектов ПВО или «отработки» по крупным административным центрам, предприятиям оборонки, стратегическим объектам, таким как атомные электростанции.
Russian Ministry of Defense in 2016 were armed with the newest fighter, the MiG-35. Assembling a promising aviation complex, the aircraft called professionals already begun. Soon, the first copies will be flight-tested.
MiG-35 combines a lot of elements of the new-generation fighter - unobtrusive and multi-role fighter, designed to eliminate hotbeds of point fighting, air defense facilities, or "mining" in large administrative centers, enterprises, defense, strategic sites, such as nuclear power plants.
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
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medo wrote:
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
we havent seen any official statement - info on MiG-35 order yet
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George1 wrote:medo wrote:
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
we havent seen any official statement - info on MiG-35 order yet
Flight tests of the MiG-35 for the Russian defense Ministry will start this year
http://ria.ru/forces/20160317/1391664606.html
LUKHOVITSY (Moscow region), 17 Mar – RIA Novosti. The first phase of the contract with the Ministry of defense of the Russian Federation on development (OCD) the latest multi-purpose fighter MiG-35 is completed in this year to begin flight tests, said on Thursday to journalists the General Director of Russian aircraft Corporation "MiG" Sergei Korotkov.
On the basis of an industrial complex Corporation in Lukhovitsy currently under construction MiG-35 in the framework of a contract for OCD.
"We have completed the first phase of this work — sketches, technical project protected and adopted by the Ministry of defense. So we go in accordance with the schedule of the contract, which was signed by the Ministry of defense. Today the plane here through all stages of Assembly, and this year will be collected and presented to the customer to carry out flight operations (tests)," said Korotkov.
He noted that under the contract the village will be gathered "more" than one plane.
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/forces/20160317/1391664606.html#ixzz43D5y1Em0
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George1 wrote:medo wrote:
Russian air force will receive their first MiG-35 to the end of this year. The plane is already in production.
we havent seen any official statement - info on MiG-35 order yet
No production run yet. There is an order for 1 Mig-35 for this year, it is for trials and evaluations for the VKS.
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Yandex translate from bmpd
The first two MiG-35 on the Assembly at the enterprise RSK MiG in Lukhovitsy March 19th, 0:04
17 March 2016 was organized by press-service of JSC "RAC "MiG" press-tour to the production site complex No. 1 of the Corporation located in the Moscow suburb of Lukhovitsy. The event was dedicated to demonstrating the start of work on two "pre-production" (so named because predstaviteli RSC) copies of the MiG-35, built according to the contract on carrying out corresponding R & d works of the Russian space forces. Reporters saw both of these cars in the final Assembly shop. In fact, it appears both aircraft are still fairly unadvanced stage of Assembly.
The first two MiG-35 on the Assembly at the enterprise RSK MiG in Lukhovitsy March 19th, 0:04
17 March 2016 was organized by press-service of JSC "RAC "MiG" press-tour to the production site complex No. 1 of the Corporation located in the Moscow suburb of Lukhovitsy. The event was dedicated to demonstrating the start of work on two "pre-production" (so named because predstaviteli RSC) copies of the MiG-35, built according to the contract on carrying out corresponding R & d works of the Russian space forces. Reporters saw both of these cars in the final Assembly shop. In fact, it appears both aircraft are still fairly unadvanced stage of Assembly.
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JohninMK wrote:Yandex translate from bmpd
The first two MiG-35 on the Assembly at the enterprise RSK MiG in Lukhovitsy March 19th, 0:04
17 March 2016 was organized by press-service of JSC "RAC "MiG" press-tour to the production site complex No. 1 of the Corporation located in the Moscow suburb of Lukhovitsy. The event was dedicated to demonstrating the start of work on two "pre-production" (so named because predstaviteli RSC) copies of the MiG-35, built according to the contract on carrying out corresponding R & d works of the Russian space forces. Reporters saw both of these cars in the final Assembly shop. In fact, it appears both aircraft are still fairly unadvanced stage of Assembly.
so again 2 seat versions? in Russia now will be only "Indian" approach to fighters?
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:JohninMK wrote:Yandex translate from bmpd
The first two MiG-35 on the Assembly at the enterprise RSK MiG in Lukhovitsy March 19th, 0:04
17 March 2016 was organized by press-service of JSC "RAC "MiG" press-tour to the production site complex No. 1 of the Corporation located in the Moscow suburb of Lukhovitsy. The event was dedicated to demonstrating the start of work on two "pre-production" (so named because predstaviteli RSC) copies of the MiG-35, built according to the contract on carrying out corresponding R & d works of the Russian space forces. Reporters saw both of these cars in the final Assembly shop. In fact, it appears both aircraft are still fairly unadvanced stage of Assembly.
so again 2 seat versions? in Russia now will be only "Indian" approach to fighters?
Maybe they are for tests like franco said and the training of new pilots on the new avionics.