AK-12 Rifle Discussion

AK-12 and AK-15



Interesting short assault rifle:
One with an integrated silencer and another as a standard shorter rifle.

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It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

Also the AK MA (AD MA) is the next step and would give Russia the same exact kind of short-action short-stroke gas piston that everyone in the "developed world" is purchasing or procuring.

KoTeMoRe wrote:It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

No, it is the AK-12K and the AK-15K on those pictures. The only difference though is the kaliber AK-12K 5.45mm and AK-15K 7.62mm

Luq man wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

No, it is the AK-12K and the AK-15K on those pictures. The only difference though is the kaliber AK-12K 5.45mm and AK-15K 7.62mm

Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

AK 12

AK 15.

What do you think Russian MoD should purchase for Ratnik?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Luq man wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

No, it is the AK-12K and the AK-15K on those pictures. The only difference though is the kaliber AK-12K 5.45mm and AK-15K 7.62mm

Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

AK 12

AK 15.

haven't seen you in a while! welcome back mate

miketheterrible wrote:What do you think Russian MoD should purchase for Ratnik?

A rifle that can fit every and single demand of the tender.

As it is, they better stick with the 74M until both 3 guns, MA/AK15/A545 are tested properly. From what I see if the MA is properly sorted it will be the actual winner.

KG: Yup nice to see you mate.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

Didn't they replace that older AK-12 with the newer version?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/06/breaking-kalashnikov-concern-discontinues-ak-12-replaces-new-ak-12/

That guy in the video clearly says that this is the AK-12K and the only differance with AK-15K is the kaliber...?

Luq man wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

Didn't they replace that older AK-12 with the newer version?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/06/breaking-kalashnikov-concern-discontinues-ak-12-replaces-new-ak-12/

That guy in the video clearly says that this is the AK-12K and the only differance with AK-15K is the kaliber...?

That guy in the video is the same guy who demonstrated the real AK-12 back in 2016.

Also they didn't replaced the "older" AK-12 (because the AK-12 is a long stroke piston action, thumb ambidextrous selector, polymer furniture equipped etc etc rifle). This is a Dragunov short stroke action, with an AK74M styled receiver, no ambidextrous controls and retaining a front-post. This rifle started its course as the AK 400.

Also for a long time 'the Russian Military had only one caliber"...The face palm is so strong it needs a chinese tactical team.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:What do you think Russian MoD should purchase for Ratnik?

A rifle that can fit every and single demand of the tender.

As it is, they better stick with the 74M until both 3 guns, MA/AK15/A545 are tested properly. From what I see if the MA is properly sorted it will be the actual winner.

KG: Yup nice to see you mate.

1. Wait, wait but MA isnt it a bit to short, for say, kind of Syrian assignment? where distances are larger, open spaces?

2. Is Russian to field new caliber anytime in foreseeable future (like 6x49mm )

MOSCOW, February 1. /TASS/. The Kalashnikov firearms manufacturer is starting the serial production of the advanced AK-12 assault rifles,

Well, I'll go first.

I'm still a little confused with what's going on with all these rifles.

So let me get this straight. There was once an Ak-12, which was going through the trials, and so on. Then, one day, the Ak-400 came along, after witch it was split into two designations - Ak-12 for 5.45 and Ak-15 for 7.62. The former superseded the initial Ak-12, which has since dropped off the map.

That about right?

And, if so, why is TASS still using pics of the initial Ak-12 for the article. Or am I dead wrong, and the initial Ak-12 is alive and well, and is actually going into production?

Initial AK-12 design was based off of the AK-200 gun. MoD wasn't really interested cause little difference between that and AK-74M. AK-400 design came out which had much better handling even with 7.62 rounds, and they were interested in that. So newest iteration of AK-12, AK-15 and RPK-16 are based off of the AK-400 design.

Thats what I got out of it at least.

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Luq man wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

No, it is the AK-12K and the AK-15K on those pictures. The only difference though is the kaliber AK-12K 5.45mm and AK-15K 7.62mm

Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

AK 12

AK 15.

haven't seen you in a while! welcome back mate

So what type of AK-12 are they actually building? Last image with old type fire selector or the one with new type?

runaway wrote:

So what type of AK-12 are they actually building? Last image with old type fire selector or the one with new type?

The AK-12 is just maskirovka the Russian army is actually working on the LVN-17 laser rifle.

runaway wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Luq man wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:It is the AK-15 on both pictures, only one is in 5,45 and the other in 7,62.

No, it is the AK-12K and the AK-15K on those pictures. The only difference though is the kaliber AK-12K 5.45mm and AK-15K 7.62mm

Nope, the AK-12 has a completely different receiver...that has since been abandoned.

AK 12

AK 15.

haven't seen you in a while! welcome back mate

So what type of AK-12 are they actually building? Last image with old type fire selector or the one with new type?

This one:

OK just wait one minute who was the traitor that decided to put the front sight onh the gas block the gas block of all places?

Clearly there are some western sabatuers trying infiltrate the Russian small arms industry and cantaminate it with thier retarded western gun design philosopy.

First it is sights in the wrong places then it will be vertical foregrips and before you know it guns will be made of bloody polymer.

These traitors must be eliminated.

The old style, i like it. After a few minutes first time with an AK47 it took me 25 seconds to dismantle it and 40 to put it togehter. On the shooting range we had 4 very old AK47 and 4 old M16A2.
It was a warm summer day and after 3 hours none of the M16´ns worked but all of the AK47 and some of them had old cracks and stuff...

Yeah about the AK-12, is the old selector the same, first auto then single shot? Are there a new notch for 2 or 3 burst mode?

https://vpk.name/news/235276_test_noveishih_avtomatov_ak_popal_na_video.html

Just what was not in English
They said here were testing Ak-12k and AK-15k versions with hunting ammo. Not military grade.

First 2500 rifles have been delivered to the Russian MoD.

https://kalashnikov.media/article/weapons/kalashnikov-nachal-postavki-avtomata-ak-12-v-ramkakh-gosoboronzakaza-2019?utm_source=vk&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=vazhno%21-20-dekabrya-kontsern-kalashnikov-o&fbclid=IwAR01lpY0QULAQuhkmmCqxap2xYH-OtRGuRvr-09-1GRRzBdyDvvJ7NwDShE

Regarding a new calibre, they are happy with the performance of the 5.45x39mm calibre... it is the 7.62x54mmR rounds that are in need of updating and replacing...

There was talk somewhere of chemicals and very very high velocities that sounded promising... potentially binary liquid propellants generating plasma as a propellant... but of course such a thing introduces a wide range of issues...

First of all the actual propellant needs to be separated into two or more separate components that are not so volatile... you could store some around the barrel to act as a barrel coolant, and perhaps some in the butt stock to keep it well separated.

When kept separate the chemicals might be poisonous and might even burn but would not explode like they would when they are combined inside the chamber of the weapon.

You would need chemicals that can be pumped at temperatures ranging from +60 degrees C or even hotter (as the barrel heats up) down to minus 60 degrees or so...

You would need some precision in the amount of propellant that is pumped into the chamber and some way of ensuring it mixes completely and also burns completely.

With the correct chemical makeup you could theoretically create a liquid that burns completely into gases with no solid or liquid residue... meaning the rifle will get hot but not get dirty because of the propellant.

Filling up with ammo could just be a case of collecting up projectiles and topping up the propellant tanks...

But back to reality, it makes more sense to start with such ammo for long range or specialist weapons like sniper rifles and anti material rifles and the like... a sniper rifle with a heavy projectile moving at 2-2.5km/s would be rather interesting... especially if fitted with a tiny scramjet to maintain that speed for 3-4 seconds...