The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

opasnie wrote:The strength of New Russia. Mine-explosive case. Battalion Khan

Battalion Vikings firmly holds the southern borders of the DNI

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sepheronx wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

Not quite. There is a number of Russian volunteers from Russia on the Ukrainian side.

Such as? Chechens? Hahahahahaha.

Or are you talking about those slimeball so called "politicians" who join Ukraine to look "hip" to westerners because they are washed up nobodies whom are living in past corruption glory or their fathers corrupt shadow? Cause they are not Russians. They have not been since the 90's.

auslander wrote:
I find it surprising that the ukes would try to make trouble in the west, although there may be a lot more going on out there than we know of.

On the other hand Hungary is a NATO member albeit with a tiny army, about 20,000 on active duty. So. Worst case scenario, 'unknown radicals' attack ethnic Hungarians in Zakarpatya etc, killing some innocents, Hungary appeals to NATO for permission to go in and save their 'people', and instantly you've got NATO on an official operation in west Ukraine, for starters. Mission creep is an old and honored tradition and honed to perfection by NATO.

Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

Is this actually coming out of the hungarian government? I cant click the link right now sorry :/

It seems like quite a radical statement to make from an eu member state, i Know hungary isnt exaclty best friends with uncle spam but still....

Are the guys at rusvesna not reading too much into it do you think?

Khepesh wrote:
Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

Karl Haushofer wrote:And Semyon Semyonenko's real name is  Konstantin Grishin. That sounds totally a Russian name.

Khepesh wrote:

auslander wrote:
I find it surprising that the ukes would try to make trouble in the west, although there may be a lot more going on out there than we know of.

On the other hand Hungary is a NATO member albeit with a tiny army, about 20,000 on active duty. So. Worst case scenario, 'unknown radicals' attack ethnic Hungarians in Zakarpatya etc, killing some innocents, Hungary appeals to NATO for permission to go in and save their 'people', and instantly you've got NATO on an official operation in west Ukraine, for starters. Mission creep is an old and honored tradition and honed to perfection by NATO.

It could be seen as that, but it would be difficult in that Hungary would, no matter what spin was put on it, be invading Ukraine for essentially the same reason that Russia is alleged to have "invaded" Donbass. It would be difficult for even the sick and grossly contorted minds in London and Washington to explain Hungary good - Russia bad. I would say that one of the reasons that there is silence in western media about nearly everything that happens, is that when something does happen it can be presented to their public as something it is not, as the western public have no context, no reality, to make a judgment on what their politicians do. Normal people use "1984" as a warning about what politicians can do, politicians use it as a manual for how to control society.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Aren't people like Turchynov, Filatov and Yarosh ethnic Russians? At least they have Russian names. And I read that Yarosh cannot even speak Ukrainian.

Neutrality wrote:
We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

Regular wrote:

Neutrality wrote:
We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

Just like Russia was forced when Ukras shelled Russian territory and killed civilians in Rostov? Or when they invaded Russia with their BMP?
Hungary will be forced to what their handlers want. That's it. Even Russia itself is being stranded by "international" community

Khepesh wrote:This photo which circulates widely and purports to be of an airstrike against pravy sektor in Transcarpathia has been found to be from a ukrops attack on Lugansk on 1 July 2014 http://rusvesna.su/news/1404233947