The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

Khepesh wrote:Annanews have put forward a scenario in which Obama Merkel and Hollande will agree that Poroshenko launches the offensive, but then send in NATO "peacekeepers" after ukrops have complained that "Russian" forces have used chemical weapons against them, depleted uranium etc. The scenario sees NATO forces, presumably only French and German being visible, as this will be less antagonistic that Americans, advancing into Donbass at various points from Novoazovsk to Lugansk, and primarily on the coat-tails of ukrops tank thrusts that have been stalled by "Russian use of chemical weapons". The calculation being that Russia will see it as not viable to engage with NATO troops, same as what happened in Kosovo with the stand off at Prishtina, and will walk away.
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Khepesh wrote:!!!! Buratino seen in Snezhnoe, photo evidence!

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Khepesh wrote:It is not surprising that with the current hightened military state and Poroshenko meeting Hollande and Merkel that people think about what will happen. This article is similar to the one by annanews, and says that it is Poroshenko's last throw of the dice, and that on 25 Aug, or soon after, Poroshenko will claim that a "large scale terrorist attack by Russian forces" is taking place, and then war. I don't really doubt it will happen, it's just the time, the date and the excuse that are not known. http://antifashist.com/item/poslednij-patron-valcmana.html#ixzz3jLkBDXIo

Ghoster wrote:Commander of VSN "Ryazan" Edward Gilazov, was unofficially reported to be dead today, after announcement of his arrest. His personal VK page has also been deleted.

El Murid wrote more about this today on his blog.
http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2484584.html

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:It is not surprising that with the current hightened military state and Poroshenko meeting Hollande and Merkel that people think about what will happen. This article is similar to the one by annanews, and says that it is Poroshenko's last throw of the dice, and that on 25 Aug, or soon after, Poroshenko will claim that a "large scale terrorist attack by Russian forces" is taking place, and then war. I don't really doubt it will happen, it's just the time, the date and the excuse that are not known. http://antifashist.com/item/poslednij-patron-valcmana.html#ixzz3jLkBDXIo

With the Right Sector, Azov, Donbas, etc planning on marching in the Kiev parade, perhaps he thought it prudent to be elsewhere

PapaDragon wrote:
Something just occurred to me about that brilliant plan we mentioned:

Plan calls for German and French armies to engage Russians.

Anyone else see some historic issues with using those two armies for this little extravaganza?  

Mike E wrote:

Werewolf wrote: What makes you think that there were any T-90's?

Hate to re-post, but; https://tanknutstan.wordpress.com/2015/08/15/t-90-at-the-donbass/

I highly doubt they ever actually engaged.

Werewolf wrote: I hope they did and cracked some nazis and blackwater heads aswell.

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JohninMK wrote:The pre-meeting at 'expert' level seems to have gone OK. Now for Poro' trip next week.

KIEV, August 20. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said Thursday that negotiations in Berlin at the level of experts in the Normandy format (Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France) were successful. "Talks at the level of experts have finished in Berlin," Poroshenko told journalists in Kiev. "We have a common position with EU on Minsk agreements and, according to information that I have, talks were successful," he said.

A source in the Russian Embassy in Germany told TASS earlier that negotiations in the Normandy format at the level of experts in Berlin "were constructive." The sides "discussed issues connected with implementing constitutional reform in Ukraine," the source added.

Russia was represented by Foreign Ministry’s legal department head Alexey Dronov and deputy to the Russia’s ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Andrey Rudenko.

On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia is ready to hold a meeting in the Normandy format at the level of experts. "I think that it necessary because the Normandy Four [Russia, France, Germany and Ukraine] supported the agreements from February 12 which were signed by representatives of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kiev with participation of Russia and OSCE [Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe]," the foreign minister said.

"We are ready to hold a meeting, at first at the level of experts, to put two documents on the table - Minsk’s Package of measures and those amendments to the Constitution that were adopted by the Verkhovna Rada [Ukrainian parliament], and also those documents that were adopted by the Verkhovna Rada on holding local election in Donbas and granting special status to these territories," Lavrov said. "Simply comparing [Ukrainian President] Petro Poroshenko’s commitments and what Kiev really did in the end should be very interesting," he noted.

We should pay attention to the following point: if earlier Kiev was supervised mostly by high-ranking CIA officials (former and current), now this role is performed by senior US military personnel, also former and current. Almost all local politicians try to meet with Americans during their visits. Especially the ex-prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who dropped off the list of "those in power" and is now merely the leader of the smallest faction in the parliament. She even suggested to make Clark the chief overseer of the assistance to Ukraine from the United States. However, her "licking" was not counted, as Washington is not currently interested in her services. The boot-licking of the Kiev political elite show for US "monitors" is understandable; Americans now control approval for everything, from financial assistance, to UAF operations, and appointments in the security services, MOD, the Cabinet and the President’s Administration.
In particular, the first deputy head of the Anti-Terrorist Center of the SBU (in charge of ATO in Donetsk and Luhansk regions) Sergey Popko was put there by the US DIA, as was the "eternal Speaker" of the ATO Andrei Lysenko. Both of them were recruited by the US military intelligence almost simultaneously, some time ago.
Currently, almost all the analytical, organizational and military support of the Ukrainian authorities is carried out by "quiet Americans".

Khepesh wrote:Uploaded today and probably very recent of ukrops tanks on the move. Presumably from Kharkov. ukrops said they would repair 200 T-80 and I am very very skeptical about that. Here we see one company and I would be surprised if they managed to field more than one battalion. First video shows Bulats, second video is T-80BV

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Werewolf wrote: I hope they did and cracked some nazis and blackwater heads aswell.

Something tells me this AFV wreck-littered area is the definite proof. My guess is that someone got nervous with Ukrop attempts to block the famous White humanitarian convoy, so a task force including BTR-82 and T-90 vehicles was called for some pathmaking duties. UkrOp tanks destroyed in this area are for the vast majority, Bulats.

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