KoTeMoRe Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:02 pm
Dforce wrote: Rodinazombie wrote: Dforce wrote: Mike E wrote:Time for Putin to show the West what a real invasion looks like.
Quite so, this "Ukrainian invasion" does not seem to exist in the material world.
So, in your expert opinion, this increase of artillery bombardments and huge military buildup means what exactly?
How would you interpret it?
Are they all out there for a picnic, gazing at the stars or a spot of fishing?
Ive defended your presence here, yet your recent posts are quite moronic and come across as trolling. If you cant actually contribute anything worthwhile you might as well not bother.
Fishing, I think.
What confirmation do we really have for this "buildup"? The seps are screaming "Ukraine will attack" and Ukraine are sceaming "the seps will attack", but I would say that the evidence for ANY major attack is slim at best.
The artillery duels are not oragnized in a manner to defeat defensive positions in order to support a major attack, but looks more like random acts of violence followed with the usual posturing from both sides. The OSCE only reports of minor reinforcements on either side. Yes, both sides wants the other side to think they will attack unless their demands are met, but nobody have anything to gain from an attack. Ukraine would lose a lot of Western support, and Russia do not want to give the West any excuse for more sanctions.
If you call my reasoning "trolling" it is all fine, but at what date will you admit I might be right? No attack in a week, a month, or?
Shall we check out the current buildup or not? All this is what is currently available as open data.
a. We have videos of Turchinov in direct vicinity of Sergei Prokofiev Intl (Donetsk Airport) with about half a tank battalion reinforced with at least a mech battalion and a battery of 152 mm guns and half a battery of 203 mm.
b. We have the OSCE that says heavy weaponery (about 60 pieces of hardware) are missing from Storage around Donetsk. The same is to be seen around Luhansk (including Shturm-S).
c. We have T80's and T-64BM's on trailers being shipped out of Storage or outright moving of their own power (albeit with a heartbreaking scream, given how poorly maintaned they were).
d. We have reports that super-warrior Georgian Unit has defeated "Russian Officers" (lel) out of super-relevant hamlet of 400 (managing to hold 2/3 of it - lel at propaganda but whatever).
These are what Super Duper Ukropia pushes forward. These are clear signs that the rearmament process and massing is underway. While I understand that most of it might be posturing. The consensus before the war was that Ukropia had between 58 to 80 64BM's. Yet somehow they's lost quite a chunk, but still muster MORE BM's than what normally they should have. Insert there T-80's (including at least one T-80U deployed not far from Kiev last September) and the whole 'minor reinforcements' charade is bogus. At the same time the DPR shows its own muscle with basically it' own tank battalion inside Minsk redzone and that's it. All the rest is magical artillery from DPR/LNR that seems to evade the OSCE.
The issue Dforce is that unfortunatley you're stuck with your own pro-Ukrop/Anti-Russia narrative thus bound to be offhand most of the time in this matter. Your lack of Russian comprehension makes matters worse despite all the crutches Ukropistanis hend to you.
This however is only a tiny fraction of what really happens on the ground. As we saw, when both sides want to hides shit, like really serious stuff (think about real UA losses or Russian top hardware involvement), they manage quite fine.
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