The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

Flagship Victory wrote:Evil fascist Maidan leader Poroshenko says Ukrainians and Russians are NOT brothers

https://www.rt.com/news/313017-ukrainians-russians-brothers-poroshenko/

Flagship Victory wrote:Plonitsky needs to clear some of that water out of his head and do counter battery fire.

Lugansk People’s Republic will win in the war because it complies with its obligations, the LPR head Igor Plotnitsky said today.

“Many people often ask me: why don’t we return fire, when we are shelled? We don’t do it, because we abide by the Minsk agreements. We comply with the conditions we’ve signed. To fulfill it, you need to have endurance and self-control. The one, who will be able to act reasonably, will win. We don’t need victory in an artillery duel or in a small conflict. We do need our common victory, and it will be ours,” – Igor Plotnitsky said.

http://lug-info.com/news/one/lnr-pobedit-potomu-chto-soblyudaet-vzyatye-na-sebya-obyazatelstva-plotnitskii-5970

JohninMK wrote:It might be Sputnik but this is an article all should read. Top information on the changes over the last year in Donbas. Highly recommended.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150822/1026048176/kiev-keeps-ukraine-at-war.html

JohninMK wrote:No link to the video mentioned

Ukrainian troops published a video address stating that senior commanders are not taking care of the army anymore and are profiting instead. "I have a question for out commander-in-chief, our president. When will this mess end up? When will those people be stopped treated like animals? As for me, I’m personally ready to pick up a gun and march toward Kiev," a soldier said in the video.

Ukrainian troops continue to have financial and equipment shortages. More so, they are severely lacking food supplies. According to some servicemen, Ukrainian forces are backing away from the frontline. "They [senior commanders of the army] think they can keep the situation under control. But actually they are useless, they can control nothing," the soldier added. He also said the army commanders are destroying the combat capabilities of the army when they withdraw experienced soldiers from the ranks and disband entire battalions.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150822/1026061914/ukraine-army-ready-attack-kiev.html#ixzz3jXt0myrf

JohninMK wrote:It might be Sputnik but this is an article all should read. Top information on the changes over the last year in Donbas. Highly recommended.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150822/1026048176/kiev-keeps-ukraine-at-war.html

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:It might be Sputnik but this is an article all should read. Top information on the changes over the last year in Donbas. Highly recommended.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150822/1026048176/kiev-keeps-ukraine-at-war.html

Good article John.

franco wrote:The new 30 year War or is it the 100 year War;

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/08/the-real-reason-behind-kievs-coming.html

"As a result of exclusion from the international SWIFT system, the state budget of Russia would  lose 10%, while Russia's GDP would decrease by 5% per year."

The US will distance itself from involvement into Ukraine’s domestic affairs, and when Ukraine collapses Russia will be the country which could help it, Czech security analyst and former BIS agent Ian Schneider said in an interview with ParlamentníListy.cz........

The situation in Ukraine is worsening, but the European Union is not taking any concrete steps to resolve it. According to journalist Christophe Schiltz from Die Welt, the West is silently watching the country descend into chaos.......................

Godric wrote:I always wondered why the Ukrainians weren't fielding Shilka's to suppress Naf infantry/soft skins vehicles seemingly they have only 15 - 20 in active service and 280 in Storage because they are in such a bad shape to re-activate they would have to rebuild them according to Wiki

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Godric wrote:I always wondered why the Ukrainians weren't fielding Shilka's to suppress Naf infantry/soft skins vehicles seemingly they have only 15 - 20 in active service and 280 in Storage because they are in such a bad shape to re-activate they would have to rebuild them according to Wiki

For the same reason it was quickly stopped in Chechnya too once the Shilkas started getting RPG love. There's a good reason why a hails of 23mm rounds is only good when you got nothing else. The system is damn loud. You lose all SA during the firing. people can stalk you close enough to score a hit. Nevermind that the actuel range is reduced due to the optics. So you got a softer skinned vehicle, with a huge SA blind spot, gulping rounds like an obese at a Frankfurter stand, that you still have to protect from the lowest value threat (IE basic RPG). The strong point of the Shilka, its elevation angle, is better covered by a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a truck, BMD, MotoLiga, like it currently is done in Donbass.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Godric wrote:I always wondered why the Ukrainians weren't fielding Shilka's to suppress Naf infantry/soft skins vehicles seemingly they have only 15 - 20 in active service and 280 in Storage because they are in such a bad shape to re-activate they would have to rebuild them according to Wiki

For the same reason it was quickly stopped in Chechnya too once the Shilkas started getting RPG love. There's a good reason why a hails of 23mm rounds is only good when you got nothing else. The system is damn loud. You lose all SA during the firing. people can stalk you close enough to score a hit. Nevermind that the actuel range is reduced due to the optics. So you got a softer skinned vehicle, with a huge SA blind spot, gulping rounds like an obese at a Frankfurter stand, that you still have to protect from the lowest value threat (IE basic RPG). The strong point of the Shilka, its elevation angle, is better covered by a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a truck, BMD, MotoLiga, like it currently is done in Donbass.

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Godric wrote:I always wondered why the Ukrainians weren't fielding Shilka's to suppress Naf infantry/soft skins vehicles seemingly they have only 15 - 20 in active service and 280 in Storage because they are in such a bad shape to re-activate they would have to rebuild them according to Wiki

For the same reason it was quickly stopped in Chechnya too once the Shilkas started getting RPG love. There's a good reason why a hails of 23mm rounds is only good when you got nothing else. The system is damn loud. You lose all SA during the firing. people can stalk you close enough to score a hit. Nevermind that the actuel range is reduced due to the optics. So you got a softer skinned vehicle, with a huge SA blind spot, gulping rounds like an obese at a Frankfurter stand, that you still have to protect from the lowest value threat (IE basic RPG). The strong point of the Shilka, its elevation angle, is better covered by a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a truck, BMD, MotoLiga, like it currently is done in Donbass.

I know, that NAF destroy at least 1 Ukrainian Tunguska on the position. Interesting is, that NAF capture a nice number of Strela-10 SAMs and at least 10 Osa-AKM SAMs, but non of Tunguska or Shilka. Maybe they have a problem with spare parts for them or are too complex to use.

The Deputy commander of the ATO, Colonel of the armed forces of Ukraine, Valentyn Fedichev said in an interview with "Gordon" internet publication that Ukraine must adhere to mobilization, including universal mobilization, to ensure the rotation of troops during the armed conflict in the East of the country.

"For war there must be a mobilization system, including universal mobilization", - quotes  RIA "Novosti".

Fedichev noted that evaders should be prosecuted.

"I do not support the claims of some media who believe that the evil recruitment offices are going too far. We clearly have to say that there is no one left to defend Ukraine, we are running out of volunteers. But a constitutional responsibility to defend your state remains", - he stressed.

It is worth noting that earlier the general staff of Ukraine reported that the sixth wave of partial mobilization was completed at 60% of the target and the number of evaders reached 26.8 thousand people.

Godric wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Godric wrote:I always wondered why the Ukrainians weren't fielding Shilka's to suppress Naf infantry/soft skins vehicles seemingly they have only 15 - 20 in active service and 280 in Storage because they are in such a bad shape to re-activate they would have to rebuild them according to Wiki

For the same reason it was quickly stopped in Chechnya too once the Shilkas started getting RPG love. There's a good reason why a hails of 23mm rounds is only good when you got nothing else. The system is damn loud. You lose all SA during the firing. people can stalk you close enough to score a hit. Nevermind that the actuel range is reduced due to the optics. So you got a softer skinned vehicle, with a huge SA blind spot, gulping rounds like an obese at a Frankfurter stand, that you still have to protect from the lowest value threat (IE basic RPG). The strong point of the Shilka, its elevation angle, is better covered by a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a truck, BMD, MotoLiga, like it currently is done in Donbass.

The Nazis successfully used a quadruple 20mm flak unit mounted on a SD.KFZ 7 half truck during the battle of the bulge against a US infantry Battalion/Company and wiped them out .... that was my reasoning in using the shilka to suppress infantry

PapaDragon wrote:
Treason, treason I say!!!

''Germany, France Pressured Kiev on Constitutional Reform – Ukrainian MP''

''Ukraine accused German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande of allegedly stepping up pressure on Kiev to amend the constitution to change the status of parts of the country’s Donetsk and Lugansk regions........''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150822/1026064620/germany-france-kiev-pressure-on-constitutional-reform.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Treason, treason I say!!!

''Germany, France Pressured Kiev on Constitutional Reform – Ukrainian MP''

''Ukraine accused German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande of allegedly stepping up pressure on Kiev to amend the constitution to change the status of parts of the country’s Donetsk and Lugansk regions........''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150822/1026064620/germany-france-kiev-pressure-on-constitutional-reform.html