The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

higurashihougi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:''Polish Media Coverage of Events in Ukraine Drives Man to Blow Up His Home''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150827/1026255645/poland-russia-invasion-explosion.html

I am very concerned about the Poles' training for militant and guerrilla. Such a clumsy "guerrilla" like that... how can they deal with a "Russian invasion" ?

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Kyiv admit that their troops in Mariupol suffered severe casualties

http://www.unian.info/war/1115859-ato-headquarters-ukrainian-troops-in-m-sector-suffer-serious-losses.html
http://www.u-f.ru/News/u386/2015/08/27/722720

The unian.info article is full of propaganda, the other one lacks detail I would probably look for another report on that battle later.

higurashihougi wrote:Again, U.S. in Poland

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150827/1026276838.html

The United States will send heavy military equipment to Poland next year, Poland's defense minister said on Thursday, as part of Washington’s efforts to reassure regional allies uneasy over the conflict in Ukraine.

Polish Defense Minister said the equipment will be positioned somewhere in the west and northeast of the country sometime in mid-2016.

While Siemoniak did not specify what type of equipment the United States will deploy, an anonymous US official told Reuters in June that the Pentagon was poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons in the region for as many as 5,000 troops.

Do the US clowns really expect to take Russia on with conventional warfare? They can deploy 20,000 tanks to Poland
and it will make no difference. And if this is to "defend Poland from a Russian invasion" then it is a ludicrous joke. Like
their claim that the ABM shield was aimed at Iran.

When I stand back and look at all the NATO decision making and MSM drivel I see the implicit assumption that Russia is some
sort of soft and weak pushover. These clowns are in for an epic surprise when Russia responds with tactical and strategic
nukes and weapons of mass disruption, EMP before even starting the tank engines.

kvs wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Again, U.S. in Poland

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150827/1026276838.html

The United States will send heavy military equipment to Poland next year, Poland's defense minister said on Thursday, as part of Washington’s efforts to reassure regional allies uneasy over the conflict in Ukraine.

Polish Defense Minister said the equipment will be positioned somewhere in the west and northeast of the country sometime in mid-2016.

While Siemoniak did not specify what type of equipment the United States will deploy, an anonymous US official told Reuters in June that the Pentagon was poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons in the region for as many as 5,000 troops.

Do the US clowns really expect to take Russia on with conventional warfare?   They can deploy 20,000 tanks to Poland
and it will make no difference.  And if this is to "defend Poland from a Russian invasion" then it is a ludicrous joke.   Like
their claim that the ABM shield was aimed at Iran.

When I stand back and look at all the NATO decision making and MSM drivel I see the implicit assumption that Russia is some
sort of soft and weak pushover.    These clowns are in for an epic surprise when Russia responds with tactical and strategic
nukes and weapons of mass disruption, EMP before even starting the tank engines.  

I would imagine it's all part of a campaign to sell more military hardware globally, keep the sheeple in a permanent state of fear. It was discussed at the NATO summit last year, they want member countries to buy more hardware.

Every NATO member state is expected to spend at least 2% of its annual GDP on defence spending. However, following the end of the Cold War and two decades of relative peace, the vast majority of NATO states do not meet their budgetary goals.

Now, according to NATO’s latest annual report released on June 22nd, only Estonia, Poland, the UK, Greece, and the US are projected to meet the 2% spending threshold in 2015.

Last May, former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen warned that Europe was becoming a continent of “free-riders” under the umbrella of US military protection. Rasmussen went on to insist that “every ally is expected to play its part toward contributing to our shared security.”

At a NATO summit in Wales in September 2014, NATO states pledged to reverse their declining military budgets in an attempt to meet the alliance’s defence spending targets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-member-states-not-making-defense-spending-goals-2015-6

As you can guess, NATO rules like the spending are pushed by the "one percent" that own the military industrial complex.

Interesting article by Rostislav Ishchenko from yesterday http://russkiymir.ru/publications/194700/ In general terms he is saying what we all know, that Ukraine and America are in a bad position, particulary as regards the EU, and will have problems whatever they do. That Poroshenko is between a rock and a hard place and knows he will face defeat if he attacks, or defeat from internal fractures if he does nothing. Ishchenko also points out that if there is no war, then what do all these thousands of ykrops troops do, many of them ideological and pumped up for "peremoga". Likely they will take Kiev. The conclusion I take from the article is that the best of two bad options, to attack or to wait, is to attack. I think what happens will depend, not so much on Washington ordering him to do something as I do not think the control is as direct as that, but on what guarantees he has been given about what support, military/political, he will be given when ukrops are facing defeat on the battlefield, and if he believes that the support will occur.

Further to ukrops starting to admit casualties on the Volnovakha/Mariupol front, they are also saying they are attacked directly by Russian forces, who suffer casualties that are immediately transported back across the border. This is mood music to get the public prepared for an announcement of sudden offensive by "Russia" and Kiev then launching its offensive as a "defensive" measure. It's human nature to hang the possibility of events happening on certain dates, anniversaries etc, so the next date to watch is Sunday, the "Day of the City" for Donetsk, but I am not holding my breath for anything to happen on that day.

Edit: An urgent breifing to take place in Kiev at 1600 local about the "Russian agression" at Gleiwitz in Ukraine

Karl Haushofer wrote:How much leverage does Ukraine have over Russia for the gas transit to Europe? Could Ukraine blackmail Russia to these concessions by threatening to cut off the gas supply to Europe or is Russia really doing all this out of good heart and as a gesture of goodwill?

It is sometimes very hard to understand Russia. Put any Western country into a similar position and none of them would be showing these gestures of goodwill towards a country that openly hates you and would love to annihilate you.

To put it bluntly, Russian government calls a war criminal regime its partner, so I don't think there's anything more to that. That's just how it is. Gestures of goodwill just sort of go along with it.

To quote President Vladimir Putin.
“We are interested in Ukrainian economic recovery, because they are our neighbors, our partners and we are interested in stability and order on our borders, as well as in having an opportunity to have and develop economic ties with a prosperous partner.”

Khepesh wrote:

Edit: An urgent breifing to take place in Kiev at 1600 local about the "Russian agression" at Gleiwitz in Ukraine

Source?

http://112.ua/ato/ap-sozyvaet-srochnyy-brifing-otnositelno-dokazatelstv-rossiyskoy-agressii-na-territorii-ukrainy-254749.html

Poroshenko refused to give Zaporozhie "special" status.

Quote: "Yesterday the Council of Zaporozhie filed a request for special status. No! There won't be any federalization in Ukraine!" http://lenta.ru/news/2015/08/28/zaporozhie/

Apparently 40,000 residents of Zaporozhie signed up for this idea. That's a pretty large number. Obviously I'm not counting on any war but this could greatly help DNR/LNR in its anti-Ukrainian propaganda aimed mainly at Poroshenko.

JohninMK wrote:Nothing to do with traffic, perhaps more to do with watching out for the mobs coming to get them when it all goes pear shaped.

KYIV, August 27 /Ukrinform/. Police will install 1,000 cameras to record traffic violations in the capital city of Kiev.

Deputy head of the traffic patrol in Kyiv. Dmytro Yevdokimov told reporters at a briefing on Thursday, a Ukrinform correspondent reports.

"Up to one thousand cameras will be installed on the most troubled and busy roads of the capital," he said.

Big Brother has arrived in Ukraine.

American media is reporting that some 2,000 Russian troops have died fighting in the Donbass. I'm seriously doubting their mental thinking capacity around now...

Ukrops beg Russia to lower oil prices for winter

MOSCOW (AP) — Ukraine asked Russia on Friday for lower gas prices for the winter and said Moscow should accept to write off a part of its loans to Kiev, as other international bondholders did this week.

Gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine have led to cut-offs of supply in the past, and one standoff in 2009 caused serious disruptions in gas flowing from Russia via Ukraine to the European Union.

Russia and Ukraine last year struck an emergency deal on prices through the winter. That deal has expired, however, and the sides have to hold new talks if Ukraine is to receive more Russian gas.

Yatsenyuk on Friday suggested Russia should seek the repayment not from his government but from the pro-Russian government ousted in February 2014.

The Kremlin "should ask those gangsters who they harbored about the money or give it back to us here," Yatsenyuk was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "We would initiate legal proceedings with great pleasure for everyone who received the funds and pilfered the money of the Ukrainian people."

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-asks-russia-lower-gas-prices-winter-season-100206733--finance.html;_ylt=AwrC1C0DdOBVbV8Ar5fQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

With that kind of language, I think Russia should sit back and watch Ukropstan freeze to oblivion

Mike E wrote:American media is reporting that some 2,000 Russian troops have died fighting in the Donbass. I'm seriously doubting their mental thinking capacity around now...

Original showed up on a Russian website, who then removed it when contacted about it. They then claimed to have been hacked from an Ukrainian IP address... who knows!

http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/

The gas issue shows the true nature of this government:

-tells Russia that the 3 billion that was lent to Yanukovich is actually a bribe.
-now they give Moscow the middle finger when they demand this debt to be repaid.
-expect Moscow to simply follow Kiev's terms concerning the gas issue and give them a discount because fuck logic.
-blame Russia for waging a war against Ukraine.

These clowns have completely lost it. They expect Moscow to fold to their terms by continously insulting them.

Project Canada wrote:Ukrops beg Russia to lower oil prices for winter

MOSCOW (AP) — Ukraine asked Russia on Friday for lower gas prices for the winter and said Moscow should accept to write off a part of its loans to Kiev, as other international bondholders did this week.

Gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine have led to cut-offs of supply in the past, and one standoff in 2009 caused serious disruptions in gas flowing from Russia via Ukraine to the European Union.

Russia and Ukraine last year struck an emergency deal on prices through the winter. That deal has expired, however, and the sides have to hold new talks if Ukraine is to receive more Russian gas.

Yatsenyuk on Friday suggested Russia should seek the repayment not from his government but from the pro-Russian government ousted in February 2014.

The Kremlin "should ask those gangsters who they harbored about the money or give it back to us here," Yatsenyuk was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "We would initiate legal proceedings with great pleasure for everyone who received the funds and pilfered the money of the Ukrainian people."

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-asks-russia-lower-gas-prices-winter-season-100206733--finance.html;_ylt=AwrC1C0DdOBVbV8Ar5fQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

With that kind of language, I think Russia should sit back and watch Ukropstan freeze to oblivion

There is a little problem for Kiev. Crimea is now self sufficient and doesn't need anything from Ukraine and Novorussia is also not any more dependent on Ukraine. Russia could now simply say pay your debt and pay a market price for gas.

Khepesh wrote:Interesting article by Rostislav Ishchenko from yesterday http://russkiymir.ru/publications/194700/ In general terms he is saying what we all know, that Ukraine and America are in a bad position, particulary as regards the EU, and will have problems whatever they do. That Poroshenko is between a rock and a hard place and knows he will face defeat if he attacks, or defeat from internal fractures if he does nothing. Ishchenko also points out that if there is no war, then what do all these thousands of ykrops troops do, many of them ideological and pumped up for "peremoga". Likely they will take Kiev. The conclusion I take from the article is that the best of two bad options, to attack or to wait, is to attack. I think what happens will depend, not so much on Washington ordering him to do something as I do not think the control is as direct as that, but on what guarantees he has been given about what support, military/political, he will be given when ukrops are facing defeat on the battlefield, and if he believes that the support will occur.

Further to ukrops starting to admit casualties on the Volnovakha/Mariupol front, they are also saying they are attacked directly by Russian forces, who suffer casualties that are immediately transported back across the border. This is mood music to get the public prepared for an announcement of sudden offensive by "Russia" and Kiev then launching its offensive as a "defensive" measure. It's human nature to hang the possibility of events happening on certain dates, anniversaries etc, so the next date to watch is Sunday, the "Day of the City" for Donetsk, but I am not holding my breath for anything to happen on that day.

Edit: An urgent breifing to take place in Kiev at 1600 local about the "Russian agression" at Gleiwitz in Ukraine

Sunday the 30'th??

Neutrality wrote:The gas issue shows the true nature of this government:

-tells Russia that the 3 billion that was lent to Yanukovich is actually a bribe.
-now they give Moscow the middle finger when they demand this debt to be repaid.
-expect Moscow to simply follow Kiev's terms concerning the gas issue and give them a discount because fuck logic.
-blame Russia for waging a war against Ukraine.

These clowns have completely lost it. They expect Moscow to fold to their terms by continously insulting them.

Erik Cartman's school of political science.

kvs wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Again, U.S. in Poland

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150827/1026276838.html

The United States will send heavy military equipment to Poland next year, Poland's defense minister said on Thursday, as part of Washington’s efforts to reassure regional allies uneasy over the conflict in Ukraine.

Polish Defense Minister said the equipment will be positioned somewhere in the west and northeast of the country sometime in mid-2016.

While Siemoniak did not specify what type of equipment the United States will deploy, an anonymous US official told Reuters in June that the Pentagon was poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons in the region for as many as 5,000 troops.

Do the US clowns really expect to take Russia on with conventional warfare?   They can deploy 20,000 tanks to Poland
and it will make no difference.  And if this is to "defend Poland from a Russian invasion" then it is a ludicrous joke.   Like
their claim that the ABM shield was aimed at Iran.

When I stand back and look at all the NATO decision making and MSM drivel I see the implicit assumption that Russia is some
sort of soft and weak pushover.    These clowns are in for an epic surprise when Russia responds with tactical and strategic
nukes and weapons of mass disruption, EMP before even starting the tank engines.  

I blame movies and video games. You always see tanks going first in those things. Everyone forgets that in real war tanks are one of the last things to cross the line...

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Sunday the 30'th??

Yes, and it's also the "Day of the Miner". Celebrations are ongoing from today and end on Sunday evening with a firework display up to 2130. Let's hope the only bangs and flashes on Sunday evening are fireworks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqlTP5s4i0

Putin with secret weapons bomb Herson Oblast in Ukraine.

medo wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqlTP5s4i0

Putin with secret weapons bomb Herson Oblast in Ukraine.

that road is bloody shocking with all the holes and divots ... that road must wreck a lot of vehicles suspensions etc

That's a bad road!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Khersons'ka+oblast,+Ukraine/@48.0476369,31.8973887,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40c391434eef5487:0x101068488f64140

Godric wrote:

medo wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqlTP5s4i0

Putin with secret weapons bomb Herson Oblast in Ukraine.

that road is bloody shocking with all the holes and divots   ... that road must wreck a lot of vehicles suspensions etc

This is Ukraine reality. That is why they made jokes, that Putin bomb their roads for 20 years and that Ukraine build new land roads with the newest soil technology.