The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

Got to be good if it is total. Still, it means that more defensive areas will need to be built to house the gear and people withdrawn. Something for them to do and not just sit around planning a revolution.

KIEV, (Sputnik) – The Ukrainian military on Wednesday began withdrawing mortars in the country’s eastern region of Lugansk and will begin removing artillery next week, a special operations military spokesman deployed in Lugansk said.

“Today, the second stage will begin [with the withdrawing] mortars, and on Monday or Tuesday, the third stage will begin [with the withdrawing] of artillery, which is the D-48 and D-44 with a caliber of 85mm,” Ruslan Tkachuk said on Ukraine’s 112-Ukraina television channel.

Tkachuk said that the first stage that included the withdrawal of tanks was completed on Tuesday.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151007/1028132006/ukrainian-military-begins-withdrawal.html#ixzz3ns2A4wtZ

JohninMK wrote:Got to be good if it is total. Still, it means that more defensive areas will need to be built to house the gear and people withdrawn. Something for them to do and not just sit around planning a revolution.

KIEV, (Sputnik) – The Ukrainian military on Wednesday began withdrawing mortars in the country’s eastern region of Lugansk and will begin removing artillery next week, a special operations military spokesman deployed in Lugansk said.

“Today, the second stage will begin [with the withdrawing] mortars, and on Monday or Tuesday, the third stage will begin [with the withdrawing] of artillery, which is the D-48 and D-44 with a caliber of 85mm,” Ruslan Tkachuk said on Ukraine’s 112-Ukraina television channel.

Tkachuk said that the first stage that included the withdrawal of tanks was completed on Tuesday.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151007/1028132006/ukrainian-military-begins-withdrawal.html#ixzz3ns2A4wtZ

If i were them id keep silent about using WW2 divisional AT guns in 2015.

sepheronx wrote:http://ria.ru/syria_chronicle/20151007/1298007014.html

LOL.  Seriously, Ukrainian government are even willing to support ISIS.  Go figure.

English version, From Russia Today https://www.rt.com/news/317849-ukrainian-russia-isis-revenge/

Top Ukraine official backs idea 'to help ISIS take revenge on Russian soldiers in Syria’

I though he planned to do something big, turn out it's just like this, cowards hide in shelter and bark to outside

“I think that their faces [on TV] will be enough, so that Islamic State militants and their supporters in Russia, the majority of whom are in the Caucasus region, could then find them and take revenge [on them] under Sharia law,” the Facebook user wrote to Gerashchenko.

Gerashchenko, who also attached an RT video showing Russian military jets in Syria in his post, seemed to be inspired by the idea. He urged everyone who has any information about Russian servicemen fighting ISIS in Syria to report the data on the volunteer-made Mirotvorec (Peacekeeper) website. For such information, there would be a special section, entitled “Putin’s crimes in Syria and Middle East.”

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:16000 desserter.........

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151005/1028034616/ukraine-army-deserters.html(...)

Deserters? You mean they deserted for the afterlife?

Thinking that too. Easy way to save face for the Ukrop government. With that said, I'm not sure which is more shameful, the fact that nobody wants to fight for you in the pointless war or losing more men in a year and a half than the US led collation has lost in the entire War on Terror to a bunch of rebels that started and still mainly consist of fed up locals.

Either way things will get to this

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/10/06/rada-progolosovala-za-sozdanie-ukrainskogo-inostrannogo-legiona

Basically a bill to simplified the acquitision of Ukrainian citizenship for foreign mecenaries. The bill publicly expresses Kyiv's will to rely more and more on foreign troops, using the argument of reducing the casualties on Ukrainian citizens.

Is it ironic, Kyiv armed forces cannot rely on its own citizen.

Something sharing resemblance with some type of tactical balistic missile was filmed by Ukrainian UAVs.





Reminds of 9K52 Luna M on first look.

Source video:

higurashihougi wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:16000 desserter.........

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151005/1028034616/ukraine-army-deserters.html(...)

Deserters? You mean they deserted for the afterlife?

Thinking that too. Easy way to save face for the Ukrop government. With that said, I'm not sure which is more shameful, the fact that nobody wants to fight for you in the pointless war or losing more men in a year and a half than the US led collation has lost in the entire War on Terror to a bunch of rebels that started and still mainly consist of fed up locals.

Either way things will get to this

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/10/06/rada-progolosovala-za-sozdanie-ukrainskogo-inostrannogo-legiona

Basically a bill to simplified the acquitision of Ukrainian citizenship for foreign mecenaries. The bill publicly expresses Kyiv's will to rely more and more on foreign troops, using the argument of reducing the casualties on Ukrainian citizens.

Is it ironic, Kyiv armed forces cannot rely on its own citizen.

If they paid their own properly skilled soldiers as much as they will have to pay the mercs then they probably wouldn't have a manning problem.

It looks like a Luna. But the problem is that it isn't concealed and that missile goes well beyond the MAZ TEL so it's an export model? The hell would LNR/DNR use an export Luna for?

KoTeMoRe wrote:It looks like a Luna. But the problem is that it isn't concealed and that missile goes well beyond the MAZ TEL so it's an export model? The hell would LNR/DNR use an export Luna for?

Plausible deniability, not from Russian stocks.

Also with artillery radar they could fire it straight back at a Tochka-U launch site or control centre.

JohninMK wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:It looks like a Luna. But the problem is that it isn't concealed and that missile goes well beyond the MAZ TEL so it's an export model? The hell would LNR/DNR use an export Luna for?

Plausible deniability, not from Russian stocks.

Also with artillery radar they could fire it straight back at a Tochka-U launch site or control centre.

It's so close to the line of demarcation that it doesn't matter.

Oktyabrsky district of Donetsk reported to have been hit by ukrops several times within the last hour from Peski. Also "Vostok" is said to have been disbanded today. So, not much happening.....

KoTeMoRe wrote:It looks like a Luna. But the problem is that it isn't concealed and that missile goes well beyond the MAZ TEL so it's an export model? The hell would LNR/DNR use an export Luna for?

Lunas M that i had pleasure seeing here were on Zil 135.

Khepesh wrote:Oktyabrsky district of Donetsk reported to have been hit by ukrops several times within the last hour from Peski. Also "Vostok" is said to have been disbanded today. So, not much happening.....

The other day there was a ceremony in which Somali got some sort of certification from Pushlin. Confused over if for past service to the NAF or them being transferred into the NAF (which really confused me) Did you see or can you enlighten?

Facebook suspended the account of Ukie counselor because of his call for supporting ISIL to counter Russia.

Well, naturally.

http://glagol.su/2015/10/07/feysbuk-udalil-stranitsu-antona-gerashhenko-za-podderzhku-terroristov-igil/

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Oktyabrsky district of Donetsk reported to have been hit by ukrops several times within the last hour from Peski. Also "Vostok" is said to have been disbanded today. So, not much happening.....

The other day there was a ceremony in which Somali got some sort of certification from Pushlin. Confused over if for past service to the NAF or them being transferred into the NAF (which really confused me) Did you see or can you enlighten?  

There was a parade Thursday last week to give new members of "Somali" their badges and the unveiling of the "Somali Pirates" badge. Pushilin was handing out the badges with Givi beside him but I don't see anything about Givi being presented with anything for "Somali" as a whole.

The new badge. "Death to the enemy" "Victory is ours"

Khepesh wrote:

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Oktyabrsky district of Donetsk reported to have been hit by ukrops several times within the last hour from Peski. Also "Vostok" is said to have been disbanded today. So, not much happening.....

The other day there was a ceremony in which Somali got some sort of certification from Pushlin. Confused over if for past service to the NAF or them being transferred into the NAF (which really confused me) Did you see or can you enlighten?  

There was a parade Thursday last week to give new members of "Somali" their badges and the unveiling of the "Somali Pirates" badge. Pushilin was handing out the badges with Givi beside him but I don't see anything about Givi being presented with anything for "Somali" as a whole.

The new badge. "Death to the enemy" "Victory is ours"

So it was a combination of new recruits welcomed in and the new badges being given out? The variance had confused me. Thanks

Trying to disentangle the info about the situation with "Vostok" is, let's say "difficult", with contradictory stories. Cassad is quoting Zhuchkovsky, who some hate, while "Vostok" VK page say something different. Whatever is actually happening it does seem to originate in some sort of nonsense between Pushilin who does not like Khodorkovsky, the mayor of Yasinovataya, who may or may not be corrupt and running a state within a state, and also Akhmetov. In all of this there are wild rumors of part of "Vostok", apparently those who are not involved in organised crime, holed up in a police station. It's difficult to believe anything from anybody as it is so convoluted. Anyway, while reading all this in various places I found some news that got overlooked in the excitement yesterday. Last night the Polish Consulate offices in Lvov were bombed and yesterday morning a recruitment office in Odessa was bombed, no casualties at either incident.

One of the unintended consequences of Russia’s military action is exposing how stupid Kiev was claiming every five minutes they were fighting thousands of Russians.

I think many will see what has happened and grasp the fact that that if the Russians had actually been there it would have been over and out very quickly for Kiev. The US and NATO is now seething at the current flexing of Russian military muscle knowing that whilst they have lost the plot/narrative big time the rest of the world is seeing the power of Russia and its weapons flexed for probably the first time in their lives.

Expect lots of order announcements at the show next September!

Khepesh wrote:Trying to disentangle the info about the situation with "Vostok" is, let's say "difficult", with contradictory stories. Cassad is quoting Zhuchkovsky, who some hate, while "Vostok" VK page say something different. Whatever is actually happening it does seem to originate in some sort of nonsense between Pushilin who does not like Khodorkovsky, the mayor of Yasinovataya, who may or may not be corrupt and running a state within a state, and also Akhmetov. In all of this there are wild rumors of part of "Vostok", apparently those who are not involved in organised crime, holed up in a police station. It's difficult to believe anything from anybody as it is so convoluted. Anyway, while reading all this in various places I found some news that got overlooked in the excitement yesterday. Last night the Polish Consulate offices in Lvov were bombed and yesterday morning a recruitment office in Odessa was bombed, no casualties at either incident.

Thanks Khepesh for all the info you post!

So Kiev will try to convince Russia to write off the 3 billion.



In what parallel world do these people live in? They want a lower gas price, they continue to blame Russia for all their grievances and troubles, they throw the aggressor card at Russia, their media is feeding the worst anti-Russian crap to their citizens exceeding NKoreas's levels and now this.

18 months ago tomorrow I arrived in Donetsk for '1 week of work' as a stringer with RT. Here's how it was




Looking back


Protests simmer in eastern Ukraine

http://www.gazettenet.com/home/11501199-95/protests-simmer-in-eastern-ukraine


Kiev cracks down on eastern Ukraine after 2 regions proclaim independence

https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-kharkov-nikolaev-161/

English subs, Yalta beach

Neutrality wrote:So Kiev will try to convince Russia to write off the 3 billion.



In what parallel world do these people live in? They want a lower gas price, they continue to blame Russia for all their grievances and troubles, they throw the aggressor card at Russia, their media is feeding the worst anti-Russian crap to their citizens exceeding NKoreas's levels and now this.

The only way to justify any writing off is if they sold Antonov, Motor Sich, and a multitude of other concerns to Russia, for a trade, but it'll be a hard bargain. No way Antonov and Motor Sich is worth $3 billion by themselves, at most $1.5 billion together, plus Ukrappy's will cry about how they'll be disarmed. So it'll be a stretch, but only time will tell.

Igor Mosiychuk rushed to hospital critically ill with internal bleeding.
http://dnr-news.com/dnr/26205-u-mosiychuka-obnaruzhili-distroficheskoe-zabolevanie.html