Poseidon carrier Submarines

Supply from what? There depots will by destroyed by lang-range cruise and hypersonic missiles.

Much of the worlds population lives in coastal areas... even if just used like the old 15kt nuclear torpedoes to destroy ports would mean it would be a very effective weapon... the effect of billions of tons of super heated steam and mud would be horrifying...

Short article.

Russia’s Newest Submarine, Khabarovsk, Could Redefine Underwater Warfare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/06/09/russias-newest-submarine-khabarovsk-could-redefine-underwater-warfare/amp/

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9268319

Head of "Sevmash": "Poseidon" carrier of nuclear submarine "Khabarovsk" will be launched no earlier than 2021

KUBINKA / Moscow region /, August 23. / TASS /. The carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles, the Project 09851 Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, will be launched no earlier than 2021. Sevmash general director Mikhail Budnichenko told TASS about it on Sunday.

"The descent of Khabarovsk was not planned at all for 2020," he said on the sidelines of the Army 2020 International Military-Technical Forum.

"Khabarovsk" is the second carrier of "Poseidons". The first - the nuclear submarine "Belgorod" of project 09852 - was launched on April 23, 2019. Its transfer to the fleet was planned for September this year. Initially, the submarine was built according to project 949A, but later it was re-laid down according to a special project. Both "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk" must carry six Poseidon vehicles.

For the first time, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the creation of an underwater vehicle, later named Poseidon, in his message to the Federal Assembly in March 2018. According to the president, such drones can be equipped with both conventional and nuclear charges, which will allow them to hit a wide range of targets. The drone should get unlimited cruising range and working depth of more than 1 km.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9936435


Another delay of the Chabarovsk project.

Arrow wrote:https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9936435

Another delay of the Chabarovsk project.

What makes you say its a delay?  AFAIK the MoD has never revealed the timeline for this project (Western "sources" don't count as authoritative).  Heck, it barely even admits the Pr. 09851 exists.

Another delay of the Chabarovsk project.

Can you not read?

The special purpose nuclear submarine of project 09851 Khabarovsk, capable of carrying up to six Poseidon strategic UAVs, will be launched in the first half of 2021. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

The first half of 2021 starts in just under two months time... and the previous report:

The carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles, the Project 09851 Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, will be launched no earlier than 2021.

Which means it wont be launched this month (november) or next month (december)... so saying it will be launched in the first half of 2021... January to June is no earlier than 2021...

In other words they said it would not be launched this year... it would be launched next year at the earliest... while the article you just posted says it will be launched in the first six months of next year... which is essentially no delay... it is just a more specific time period estimate.

http://www.hisutton.com/Khabarovsk-Class-Submarine.html

Isos wrote:In terms of size, could the Poseidon fit inside delta IV 's ICBM tubes ?

That would simplify production of new carriers. Much better than building a totally new class od subs with such big torpedo tubes on the front.

Probably not, just look at the length of them.

It looks like a Borei with the missile section deleted and a new front end.

If this comparison is close to reality... No.

The missile of the 667BRDM (Delta IV) has a length of 14,5m and a diameter of 1,90m.

Hole wrote:

The very existance of this sub (and the conversion of the unfinished 949A Belgorod) is positive proof that the Poseidon functions as advertised, despite the stupid nonsense from Western "experts" who always invoke standard editorial policy and assert that Ruskie mud-hut dwellers couldn't possible build such a system.  The Rus navy doesn't commit to the large expense of nuke boats unless they are convinced they have a worthwhile weapon system.

I want to see a fleet of these, both Doomsday deterrent versions and conventionally-armed (or "low-yield" nuke) for killing carriers.  USN navy planners need to suffer from hypertension, be deprived of sleep, and given stomach ulcers by the score

Edit: Anyone know why Sutton, who has a page on just about every sub of all nations, doesn't have a page on the 971 Akula/Schuka-B?

Possible layout of Belgorod, from Charly015

The carrier of the Poseidon drones of the Belgorod nuclear submarine will be handed over to the fleet in 2021

The transfer of two submarines of the Yasen-M project, Kazan and Novosibirsk, has also been postponed to 2021

MOSCOW, December 24. / TASS /. The transfer to the Russian Navy of the carrier of Poseidon nuclear submarines of the Belgorod submarine and two Yasen-M submarines Kazan and Novosibirsk has been postponed to 2021. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

"It was assumed that by the end of 2020 the Navy will receive a special-purpose nuclear submarine Belgorod of project 09852 - a carrier of nuclear underwater drones Poseidon and multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885M Yasen-M - Kazan and Novosibirsk. next year, "- said the interlocutor of the agency.

Another source in the shipbuilding industry confirmed this information. According to him, the postponement of the transfer of these three nuclear submarines to the fleet, as well as the Project 955A (Borey-A) strategic nuclear submarine missile cruiser Knyaz Oleg, to the next year is mainly due to the fact that for a number of reasons beyond the control of Sevmash "building submarines, the planned test programs have not been completed in time.
Submarine transfer

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the Borei-A - Prince Oleg nuclear submarine will join the Russian Navy in 2021 at the final board meeting of the military department. It was previously planned that the submarine will be commissioned in 2020.

TASS does not yet have an official commentary on Sevmash (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC).

The special purpose nuclear submarine Belgorod was withdrawn from the boathouse on April 23, 2019. It was expected to be handed over to the Navy at the end of 2020, despite the fact that it will receive the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicle in 2021.

The lead nuclear submarine of project 885M "Yasen-M" "Kazan" was launched on March 31, 2017. The timing of its transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed. Earlier, the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, announced that he plans to transfer the submarine to the fleet in 2020. On December 9, in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, the commander of the Northern Fleet, Vice-Admiral Alexander Moiseyev, said that the boat would complete all state tests by the end of the year.

The first serial submarine of project 885M "Novosibirsk" was launched on December 25, 2019. She was also expected to join the Russian Navy at the end of 2020.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10340115

But if they angle them it should fit.

Delta IV are still very potent subs.

They are not high energy launch, but the missile tubes are separate tubes on an SSBN....

If you could remove the existing tubes and remove everything between the tubes and just create a large box volume of space, you could have large roof doors that open upwards or belly doors that open downwards and have racks of Poseidons loaded in horizontally with arms to support them.

For instance say the box area was wide enough to fit four poseidons side by side, you could have 3-4 arms that they sit on holding them up, then underneath that four more sitting on 3-4 more arms and you could have 4 layers of poseidons sitting on support arms holding them in place.

When it is time to launch just flood the box area and then open the main exterior doors... either up or down.

If you launch them up you can set them to be bouyant and the top four would float up and out and can start their engines and power away... the 3-4 arms they were sitting on could then fold up from one side and be vertical and then the next layer of four weapons can float up and away, and then the 3-4 arms they were sitting on can fold up vertically until all the weapons are released and under way... then all the arms can fold back to horizontal and then the main doors close and you can then start pumping out the water or what ever you need to do and continue on your way...

If you have belly doors you set them to be heavy... open the belly doors and fold the support arms down to vertical and the four lowest weapons will drop, then fold down the next set of support arms etc etc etc till all are released and then return the support arms to level again and close the doors and pump the water out of the compartment and away you go.

There is no need for compressed air launch like a torpedo or rocket thrust noise like a missile... it could be a very very quiet operation... a tailing submarine might not even realise you launched your weapons and may continue to follow you around...

https://rg.ru/2021/01/15/reg-szfo/tretij-nositel-iadernyh-posejdonov-nachnet-ispytaniia.html

The Ulyanovsk nuclear submarine, the third carrier of the Poseidon nuclear submarine system, is preparing for hydraulic tests at Sevmash.

Now the construction of the ship's hull is being completed, its hydraulic tests will begin in the near future, - a source in the shipbuilding industry told TASS . He added that Ulyanovsk - unlike Belgorod and Khabarovsk - will be commissioned for the first time as a single complex along with weapons. The transfer of the ship to the fleet will take place until 2027.

In 2018, Vladimir Putin announced a nuclear super torpedo with a thermonuclear warhead developed in Russia. Later, some characteristics of the complex appeared in open sources: the length of the underwater vehicle is 20 meters, the diameter is 1.8 m, and the mass is about 100 tons. The operating range is not limited, the immersion depth is 1000 meters, the speed is 100 km / h. The name for the new weapon was chosen in a popular vote.

The first Poseidon carrier, the Belgorod nuclear submarine, was laid down as an Antey-class missile strike carrier and was re-equipped during construction. Two other ships of the complex - the special-purpose submarines "Khabarovsk" and "Ulyanovsk" - are being built specifically for the "Poseidons" according to project 09851.

- The Ulyanovsk special purpose nuclear submarine was laid down at Sevmash in 2017. It has the same basic dimensions as "Khabarovsk", but more modern systems and mechanisms will be used in it, - said the interlocutor of the agency.