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Syrian Civil War: News #4
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Hopefully Syria gets more AD systems up and running with assistance from Russia. Eventually they will need to push the westerners out or face more bombardments from them and killing of more soldiers/civilians.
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Secure the West, North West, and South West first. Remove Turkey as a player in those parts.
Once that is done, and your back is secure, concentrate to the East, and then demand uninvited foreigners invading your airspace stop otherwise your airspace will be defended.
Once that is done, and your back is secure, concentrate to the East, and then demand uninvited foreigners invading your airspace stop otherwise your airspace will be defended.
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sepheronx wrote:Erk wrote:sepheronx wrote:Not an excuse. Why has Assad not demanded to call a No Fly Zone for all US and its cronies? Is he wanting to lose more ground and get more of his people dead? If the facebook news is correct, these are two attacks so far against the Syrian Army. No damn excuse like "tired" or anything.
In order to demand a no fly zone, you need to be in a position to enforce it. I doubt very much that Assad could do that.
That is true, but Russia could. Hence why they need to ask Russia. A mixture between Russian Su-30's and Su-27's and SyAF MiG-29's, there should be enough to enforce it.
But to enforce a no fly zone Russia will need way way more combat planes ,air superiority fighters and needs more Airbases to be captured. something they dont have yet. Those are resources that Russia can use instead on bombing Alqaeda and ISIS positions. S-400s can do already that too. a no fly zone.. Russia however does not want to create an open war with NATO yet ,that will be very costly in S-400s missiles use and that will only interrupt their bombing on the terrorist.. which is EXACTLY what they want.. So Russia prefer to focus most of its energies
in bombing terrorist and try to not follow NATO provocations.
In the end of the day.. SEP just like in Ukraine the PRO kiev forces the bombing on civilians achieved nothing . It will be the same in SYria. Is a practical strategy but works but that will not be free ,will cost civilains and even syrian soldiers killed.
What Russia can do is minimize the damage to Syrian army by warning them of American planes near their positions and to go and hide in underground bunkers when any strike attack.
and then denounce the attack at United Nations to raise awareness in the world is important ,of what is really happening in Syria.. So that later when Syria needs to fight Back americans , that they with the help of Russia will be justified in declaring a no fly zone.
But before a no fly zone is declared , World Opinion needs to be created through Media and UN
that US coalition is interrupting Syrian army operations against ISIS and bombing them.
S-400s can declare a no fly zone..but they are only useful in time of war..not when there is none yet declared against NATO. So you need real airforce to harass and interrupt NATO operations near RUssia coalition. once Russia get more airbases closer to the zones NATO bombing.. like clean Kweires.. and deploy combat planes there safely with enough defenses.. Russia will be in a much better position to monitor NATO movements and LOCK its missiles on NATO planes if they are doing something wrong .push them out of the zone. Without starting a war.
IF S-400s start now shutting down NATO planes ,without raising world awareness that NATO is not bombing ISIS and only helping them instead and bombing The Syrian army.. Then it will be defacto a state of war with NATO or at least with Americans and Turkey and Britain. Then it will be way more expensive for Russia because will also need to heavily protect its own territory too.. and kalingrad.. etc. And Turkey will close the exit of Russia to the mediterranean.. then Russia will need to declare war against Turkey and in all this the Operation that really matters that is is Syria defeat of ISIS will be officially stopped for a direct confrontation with NATO. see?
Russia will not lose any territory on their homeland , neither any NATO nation if a no fly zone full scale war start. But Syria will be unable to finish its operations against terrorist. So for now Russia needs to play as much as possible. and allow US an open door to exit the conflict. IF russia start a major war against US too soon ,it will close that door and will be very expensive to defend Syria if not impossible..without a full invasion and at least 50,000 ground troops there.
So this is kind like giving priority at your objectives and trying to avoid Americans and its coalition provocations as much as possible.
Think about this.. once ISIS and Alnusra defeated.. and Syria takes near 100% control of Aleppo,Idlib,homs and Hama.. and Damascus. and seal its borders with Turkey and Israel..
at least.. Syria will be on a much better position to close officially its airspace to NATO ,just using S-300s and Pantsirs. and with Russia supplying Syria. but as long Syria have a major invasion of 70,000 jihadist on its country and only control half of it own territory. it cannot engage in a new fight against NATO without interrupting the fight against the terrorist.
Once all terrorist defeated (,or most of them) and major cities recaptured in full,and Syria can 100% focus in defending its airspace from any foreign plane. it will be the end of the conflict.
US neither NATO will be able to justify a war against Syria openly if they are defending their airspace and defending themselves from a western invasion. NATO can only operate if they can justify their mission . ISIS defeated in Syria and cities retaken.. then no longer they will have any legal justification. and will be forced to retreat.
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wilhelm wrote:Secure the West, North West, and South West first. Remove Turkey as a player in those parts.
Once that is done, and your back is secure, concentrate to the East, and then demand uninvited foreigners invading your airspace stop otherwise your airspace will be defended.
Sooner or later western troops will land on Eastern Syria to take it "under intl control" Kerry did not joke about terrorists better armed and in bigger numbers. Finally he is one of sponsors. And terrorists must have a breeding ground, so part of Syria or Iraq will remain with "moderate" terrorists.
Western ministry of truth says weapons in hands of terrorists from Iraq, newest TOW missiles, body armor, night vision equipment or new Toyota pickups as well right?
LONDON, 8 December. /TASS/. The main part of the weapon with which the militants of the terrorist group "Islamic state" (IG, is prohibited in the Russian Federation) commit mass crimes against humanity in Syria and Iraq, was captured in Iraq. This is evidenced by the British media published the report of the human rights organization Amnesty International (Amnesty international).
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2507087
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"Federal authorities have arrested a naturalized U.S. citizen who they say was part of a conspiracy to provide firearm scopes, tactical vests and other supplies to a Syrian rebel group that “frequently fights alongside” al-Qaeda’s affiliate in that country.
Amin al-Baroudi, 50, who also goes by Abu al-Jud, was charged in an indictment unsealed last week with violating U.S. sanctions against Syria and conspiring to defraud the United States. Court records show that Baroudi was formally served with his charges on Thursday at Dulles International Airport. An indictment had been filed against him secretly in federal district court in Alexandria in April. A burly man with a salt-and-pepper beard, Baroudi said nothing Monday at a brief court appearance at which a federal magistrate judge ordered him detained pending further legal proceedings. His attorney, Anthony Capozzolo, said in court that Baroudi had been to Saudi Arabia and suffered a heart attack there but offered no other details about the case or Baroudi’s background. Capozzolo said in court that he was working to prepare materials that would bolster Baroudi’s case to be released on bail. He declined to comment after the hearing.
Baroudi’s arrest comes amid heightened fears of terrorism in the United States stemming from recent terrorist-inspired or directed mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris. Significantly, though, Baroudi is not charged with lending support to terrorists, and the particular group he is accused of supplying with weaponry, Ahrar al-Sham, has disputed that it has links to al-Qaeda or espouses al-Qaeda’s ideology. Labib Al Nahhas, Ahrar al-Sham’s head of foreign political relations, wrote on The Washington Post website in July that the group, which is among others trying to remove Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power, believes “in a moderate future for Syria that preserves the state and institutes reforms that benefit all Syrians.” “We consider ourselves a mainstream Sunni Islamic group that is led by Syrians and fights for Syrians,” he wrote."
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/naturalized-us-citizen-accused-of-arming-rebel-group-in-syria/2015/12/07/0744edd8-9cfb-11e5-a3c5-c77f2cc5a43c_story.html?tid=ss_tw-bottom
Amin al-Baroudi, 50, who also goes by Abu al-Jud, was charged in an indictment unsealed last week with violating U.S. sanctions against Syria and conspiring to defraud the United States. Court records show that Baroudi was formally served with his charges on Thursday at Dulles International Airport. An indictment had been filed against him secretly in federal district court in Alexandria in April. A burly man with a salt-and-pepper beard, Baroudi said nothing Monday at a brief court appearance at which a federal magistrate judge ordered him detained pending further legal proceedings. His attorney, Anthony Capozzolo, said in court that Baroudi had been to Saudi Arabia and suffered a heart attack there but offered no other details about the case or Baroudi’s background. Capozzolo said in court that he was working to prepare materials that would bolster Baroudi’s case to be released on bail. He declined to comment after the hearing.
Baroudi’s arrest comes amid heightened fears of terrorism in the United States stemming from recent terrorist-inspired or directed mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris. Significantly, though, Baroudi is not charged with lending support to terrorists, and the particular group he is accused of supplying with weaponry, Ahrar al-Sham, has disputed that it has links to al-Qaeda or espouses al-Qaeda’s ideology. Labib Al Nahhas, Ahrar al-Sham’s head of foreign political relations, wrote on The Washington Post website in July that the group, which is among others trying to remove Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power, believes “in a moderate future for Syria that preserves the state and institutes reforms that benefit all Syrians.” “We consider ourselves a mainstream Sunni Islamic group that is led by Syrians and fights for Syrians,” he wrote."
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/naturalized-us-citizen-accused-of-arming-rebel-group-in-syria/2015/12/07/0744edd8-9cfb-11e5-a3c5-c77f2cc5a43c_story.html?tid=ss_tw-bottom
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Vann7 wrote: So this is kind like giving priority at your objectives and trying to avoid Americans and its coalition provocations as much as possible.
Arming Assad against "planes not belonging to coalition" can also be an option right? besides there will be no local war with NATO/Us every non proxy war is by definition global and nuclear.
But Assad AAD shooting "unidentified plane" is no war right?
So now aggression against NATO member is aggression against all
does not matter that turkeys were aggressors. dept of state cannot confirm this but believes this is Putin´s intrigue
KUWAIT city, 8 December. /TASS/. The ruling Iraqi national Alliance (INA) gave the nod to Prime Minister Heidar al-Abadi to retaliate against Turkey if Ankara refuses to withdraw its troops from the territory of the Arab Republic. This was reported by the Iraqi TV channel "Al-sumaria".
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2507226
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JohninMK wrote:The SE is due to be retired shortly. Even so, leaving it behind it strange, all its parts and spares will be on the carrier. Mind you flying from land would increase its operational range if there were common munitions with the RAF.KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Interesting to know why the SEM would launch from land.
Carrier is on the way to Gulf, so maybe some are left behind to fly with RAF.
Sure, but why would you leave your most carrier critical aircrafts on land, while the Rafale-M can be far less impacted by the change. French people...
I can't find any PR that says the C de G is actually on its way to the Gulf.
"France has taken command of U.S. Naval Forces CTF 50 as aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle transits the Suez Canal"
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sepheronx wrote:Not an excuse. Why has Assad not demanded to call a No Fly Zone for all US and its cronies? Is he wanting to lose more ground and get more of his people dead? If the facebook news is correct, these are two attacks so far against the Syrian Army. No damn excuse like "tired" or anything.
They are not making big deal out of it precisely because they are GAINING GROUND.
US&co tried to bluff their way in but they failed miserably. Russia is making media noise 24/7 and VKS is covering the region.
Don't want to sound disrespectful because people died in both incidents but this is like Su-24 situation. Russia was given small amount of lemon and are now making tankers of leomonade out of it.
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MOSCOW, 8 Feb — RIA Novosti. Turkey currently does not intend to withdraw their troops from Iraq, said the Turkish foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.
oh no ! Russia bomber humanitarian relief tankers with high caloric powder milk and bakeries !
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151208/1338238980.html#ixzz3tjAtCynO
PapaDragon wrote: Russia was given small amount of lemon and are now making tankers of leomonade out of it.
oh no ! Russia bomber humanitarian relief tankers with high caloric powder milk and bakeries !
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PapaDragon wrote:sepheronx wrote:Not an excuse. Why has Assad not demanded to call a No Fly Zone for all US and its cronies? Is he wanting to lose more ground and get more of his people dead? If the facebook news is correct, these are two attacks so far against the Syrian Army. No damn excuse like "tired" or anything.
They are not making big deal out of it precisely because they are GAINING GROUND.
US&co tried to bluff their way in but they failed miserably. Russia is making media noise 24/7 and VKS is covering the region.
Don't want to sound disrespectful because people died in both incidents but this is like Su-24 situation. Russia was given small amount of lemon and are now making tankers of leomonade out of it.
Indeed.
US and ISIS Airforce alliance intentions are.
1)To interrupt Russia and Syria operations against the terrorist.
2)To use provocations against Russia and Syria so they stop bombing their guys.
IF Russia goes and declare a no fly zone now.. it will not allow US to retreat from the Syrian conflict. but if Russia goes and defeat all terrorist that NATO sponsor then US will have no option than to retreat OR to declare war against Syria with Russia help.. and they will be unable to do that.. to justify a world war 3 for no real reason.
What could really improve things for Russia and Syria is if China and India goes and send a couple of dozen of combat planes to "monitor" isis positions. but those planes all armed with air to air missiles.
They could be used to follow NATO planes from visual distance.. and keep an eye on their actions for later for Russia and Syria reports to United Nations . 
Public opinion is really important. is not by coincidence that Jews control 96% of the world media. and it can make the difference between ending NATO war against Syria or not.
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Russia demands the withdrawal of Turkey from Iraq
http://vz.ru//world/2015/12/8/782521.html
Russia convenes a closed meeting of the members of the UN security Council after Turkey refused to withdraw its military from Iraq. Moscow hopes to attract the attention of the US and NATO for the wrongful actions of their ally. Experts ascertain: in the middle East may be a new factor of tension, as Turkey in Iraq for their interests. They are connected including oil shipped from Iraqi Kurdistan.
What I intend to achieve Russia, addressing the UN security Council, the newspaper said the President of the Institute of Middle East Yevgeny Satanovsky. "Russia, drawing attention to the illegal actions of Turkey, includes all the mechanisms that must act in accordance with international law", – said the newspaper expert. He recalled that at that time, our country at the invitation of the legitimate authorities of Syria destroys terrorists are there, "Turkey, which is the formal member of anti-terrorist coalition, supports terrorists, and do what they want in neighbouring countries, entering the tanks. It operates without the request of Baghdad, but rather strongly against the official government of Iraq, which actually was Pro-American," reminded the expert.
http://vz.ru//world/2015/12/8/782521.html
Russia convenes a closed meeting of the members of the UN security Council after Turkey refused to withdraw its military from Iraq. Moscow hopes to attract the attention of the US and NATO for the wrongful actions of their ally. Experts ascertain: in the middle East may be a new factor of tension, as Turkey in Iraq for their interests. They are connected including oil shipped from Iraqi Kurdistan.
What I intend to achieve Russia, addressing the UN security Council, the newspaper said the President of the Institute of Middle East Yevgeny Satanovsky. "Russia, drawing attention to the illegal actions of Turkey, includes all the mechanisms that must act in accordance with international law", – said the newspaper expert. He recalled that at that time, our country at the invitation of the legitimate authorities of Syria destroys terrorists are there, "Turkey, which is the formal member of anti-terrorist coalition, supports terrorists, and do what they want in neighbouring countries, entering the tanks. It operates without the request of Baghdad, but rather strongly against the official government of Iraq, which actually was Pro-American," reminded the expert.
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After watching it, i felt it was fabricated. Seeing it frame by frame what I saw was the blast happening even before the missile actually hit the tank and with the motor of the TOW still lighted.KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:Regular wrote:Ignore video title
SAA tank hit by TOW.
But damn explosion is even bigger than in TOW commercial when tank was filled with TNT
I find this hardly possible to be legit video.
They even claim it to be T-90...but the video is legit to certain point.
However to calm down your angst, at 0:39 you can see the pintle mount typical of T-72. Possibly a T-72B gone boom.
I have problem with whole explosion thing. I never in my life saw something like that, i dont have any explanation why would explosion like this occur especially not this fast. And its not T90A thats more than obvious.
There's the Daraya episode with the RPG-29.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbHcA6mXX7o
FFW to 7:40.
I agree this looks OTT, but as said before war is SNAFU, some how the TOW got straight from Rear deck to ammo stowage and lit it up. Possibly it was magnified on post-prod, you never know.
First I thought, the tank got blown by a planted IED before the TOW got it, but then it looks like another video rendering by the hi-tech terrorists supporters. More of a recycled video with "enhanced firepower" of an earlier attack.
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Is it the same tank? The turret in this video is turned towards the incoming TOW.Siempre_Leal wrote:That's the 2nd TOW strike on the same tank.
1st hit and in this title it says T-72.
Anyway the tank was not destroyed (probably no penetration?) and we see the commander jumping off the tank and the driver reversing it with engine perfectly puffing out black smoke.
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Agree with you completely!sepheronx wrote:Assad will need to take control and deal with the US and other nations that are illegally entering Syrian airspace. He needs to address it publicly and in multiple languages and it needs to be broadcasted throughout the world. Otherwise, they will not listen.
But few things need to be done before such things are publicly broadcasted.
1) repeating yet again, more Buk-M2, Tungushka/Pantsir...
2) A-50, incuding on-site training for SyAAF and they will need it in future
3) MiG-29/Su-30.......basically more air-superiority fighters, but there is a limit to what Russia can deploy as they themselves have few new/upgraded fighters.... so deploy what is adequate and multiply the coverage with force multipliers like A-50 in the air and good medium/long-range AD networks from the ground.
After an adequate system has been put in place, should should such red lines be drawn, else the international terrorists and its supporters will try every possible way to discredit your red-lines. The least thing we need is a morale boost for the terrorists.
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So the question is: were is the equipment? Russia has in its arsenal, especially in reserves, plenty of semi decent jets that would work, especially after some cheap modernization. And the amount of AD systems available is a lot but once again, where are they?
I dont think Russia is serious about actually defending Russians and fighting terrorism. Or there would have been a proper response by now.
I hope they do move new equipment and more to the second airforce base. I also hope Iran airforce gets involved.
I dont think Russia is serious about actually defending Russians and fighting terrorism. Or there would have been a proper response by now.
I hope they do move new equipment and more to the second airforce base. I also hope Iran airforce gets involved.
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Ald_A @Ald_Aba 4 hrs4 hours ago
According to the report from the ground violent clashes between #SAA and militants inside Zorba. Sauthern #Aleppo #Syria
https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/674216087479824384
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha 3 hrs3 hours ago
#SAA #Hezbollah have advanced to the outskirts of Barqoum & are clashing with #Jaish_Fateh in Al-Zerbeh #Aleppo
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/674231588817735681
Looks like SAA is about to gain a serious position right on M5 highway.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVoLj31WIAAMzS8.jpg:large
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sepheronx wrote:So the question is: were is the equipment? Russia has in its arsenal, especially in reserves, plenty of semi decent jets that would work, especially after some cheap modernization. And the amount of AD systems available is a lot but once again, where are they?
I dont think Russia is serious about actually defending Russians and fighting terrorism. Or there would have been a proper response by now.
I hope they do move new equipment and more to the second airforce base. I also hope Iran airforce gets involved.
Seph please don't go ballistic for no reason, objective is to help SAA eradicate terrorists and retake ground not to engage in some Tom Clancy style grandstanding.
If you are still upset about that strike on SAA by Coalition Anonymous (tm), don't be. Does that look like a move and later reaction of someone who has upper hand? Shoot and hide before those scary Russian see you? It just proves that Russia now owns the Syrian airspace and everyone else is there because it suits Russia for PR reasons and not rocking the boat before it's time.
Russia/Syria/Iran are getting job done and it scares the sh*t out of Coalition and Turks especially. Their little dick waiving with Su-24 backfired so epically that it will become stuff of History Channel documentaries in record time. To say nothing of history textbooks.
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KiloGolf wrote:Ald_A @Ald_Aba 4 hrs4 hours ago
According to the report from the ground violent clashes between #SAA and militants inside Zorba. Sauthern #Aleppo #Syria
https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/674216087479824384
corr. "Zerbeh"
Looks like SAA is about to gain a serious position right on M5 highway.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVoLj31WIAAMzS8.jpg:large
Smell of Debaltsevo is coming from direction of Al Qarassi...
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PapaDragon wrote:KiloGolf wrote:Ald_A @Ald_Aba 4 hrs4 hours ago
According to the report from the ground violent clashes between #SAA and militants inside Zorba. Sauthern #Aleppo #Syria
https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/674216087479824384
corr. "Zerbeh"
Looks like SAA is about to gain a serious position right on M5 highway.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVoLj31WIAAMzS8.jpg:large
Smell of Debaltsevo is coming from direction of Al Qarassi...
True that. I edited my post as they also reached the outskirts of Barqoum as well.
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Just having equipment is no solution, that need to be transported to the area of operation and that is severely lacking.sepheronx wrote:So the question is: were is the equipment? Russia has in its arsenal, especially in reserves, plenty of semi decent jets that would work, especially after some cheap modernization. And the amount of AD systems available is a lot but once again, where are they?
What does Russia have to transport its military wares? Small pr.775 landing ships....and thats all, with very limited capacity to accommodate the military stuffs like Buk-M2 etc. I have been a great supporter of upgrading/retaining the Pr.1174 landing ships and if I may take the pleasure of putting what if cases....then Pr.1174 would have had the capacity to transport atleast 40 units of Buk-M2 per ship!
What we saw instead of upgrading these ships or new built of their variants was the blunder of committing Mistrals!
For me, Mistrals was a blunder, first in terms of committing to buy them and then letting off the French for peanuts (!), saw in Mistrals thread about satisfaction of the refund, but I've strong disagreements on that coz, it was a bloody loss for Russia in terms of money, time and more importantly capability. See for once what Mistrals could have brought to the table in terms of lifting capablity to Syria...it was immense. So Russia lost pr.1174 capability and the successor never materialized.
The best or rather the last option (considering the urgency) that I see is to request/force the Chinese to help with the Type-071 ships and I have mentioned this many times w.r.t to Sustaining Syrian ops. These ships have much better lifting capacity and Russia needs to lift as much hardware as possible from the black sea to Syria before any sort of blockade/complication happen.
Russia is serious about fighting terrorism and protecting Syria but like anyone else, sometimes mistakes happens or error in judgements. But Russia cant act like a cowboy and go out blastsing whoever they see....whats required is a measured response and that's whats happening. Even I get frustrated sometimes, but be optimistic.I dont think Russia is serious about actually defending Russians and fighting terrorism. Or there would have been a proper response by now.
With no upgrades to its airforce, mainly the MiG-29s and not much in numbers, its still limited. But if they can bring in their military a/c w.o compromising their own air-defence, the better. But Russia is the core here, be it in terms of MIC or prime mover. Everything needs to come from Russia. All I wish is Russia fast track (& also increasee the numbers) the MiG-29 deliveres to Syria and upgradation of Syrian and Iranian MiGs.I hope they do move new equipment and more to the second airforce base. I also hope Iran airforce gets involved.
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Apparently 636.3 "Rostov-on-Don" sub is near the coast of Syria atm.
Source: http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=397445
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Source: http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=397445
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Rumors SAA allies loosing Banes and that Al Eis has been hit with VBIED.
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Militarov wrote:Apparently 636.3 "Rostov-on-Don" sub is near the coast of Syria atm.
Source: http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=397445
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If that is all there is there then Turks are lucky. But I have a feeling that it might have brought some bigger "cousins"...
Does this class have vertical launchers for cruise missiles or do they use torpedo tubes for that? Me naval noob...
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Fortunately you are not quite correct. OK the six or so Ropucha and Alligator class landing ships have a limited capacity but they are capable of delivering 50 or so MBT or similar every three weeks. But Russia bought a big RO-RO two deck ferry in the summer and is running that on the 3 week turnround as well. It can carry, from memory 2000tons, which is a lot of military stuff of all kinds. That ship plus the other seven container and general cargo/grain ships they bought is probably the reason they no longer carry stuff on the decks of the large landing ships.Dima wrote:Just having equipment is no solution, that need to be transported to the area of operation and that is severely lacking.sepheronx wrote:So the question is: were is the equipment? Russia has in its arsenal, especially in reserves, plenty of semi decent jets that would work, especially after some cheap modernization. And the amount of AD systems available is a lot but once again, where are they?
What does Russia have to transport its military wares? Small pr.775 landing ships....and thats all, with very limited capacity to accommodate the military stuffs like Buk-M2 etc. I have been a great supporter of upgrading/retaining the Pr.1174 landing ships and if I may take the pleasure of putting what if cases....then Pr.1174 would have had the capacity to transport atleast 40 units of Buk-M2 per ship!
What we saw instead of upgrading these ships or new built of their variants was the blunder of committing Mistrals!
For me, Mistrals was a blunder, first in terms of committing to buy them and then letting off the French for peanuts (!), saw in Mistrals thread about satisfaction of the refund, but I've strong disagreements on that coz, it was a bloody loss for Russia in terms of money, time and more importantly capability. See for once what Mistrals could have brought to the table in terms of lifting capablity to Syria...it was immense. So Russia lost pr.1174 capability and the successor never materialized.
The best or rather the last option (considering the urgency) that I see is to request/force the Chinese to help with the Type-071 ships and I have mentioned this many times w.r.t to Sustaining Syrian ops. These ships have much better lifting capacity and Russia needs to lift as much hardware as possible from the black sea to Syria before any sort of blockade/complication happen.
Russia is serious about fighting terrorism and protecting Syria but like anyone else, sometimes mistakes happens or error in judgements. But Russia cant act like a cowboy and go out blastsing whoever they see....whats required is a measured response and that's whats happening. Even I get frustrated sometimes, but be optimistic.I dont think Russia is serious about actually defending Russians and fighting terrorism. Or there would have been a proper response by now.
With no upgrades to its airforce, mainly the MiG-29s and not much in numbers, its still limited. But if they can bring in their military a/c w.o compromising their own air-defence, the better. But Russia is the core here, be it in terms of MIC or prime mover. Everything needs to come from Russia. All I wish is Russia fast track (& also increasee the numbers) the MiG-29 deliveres to Syria and upgradation of Syrian and Iranian MiGs.I hope they do move new equipment and more to the second airforce base. I also hope Iran airforce gets involved.
Then there is that big new ammunition transport ship being accepted into the Northern Fleet in under 10 days.