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    Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:40 am

    On the same subject really as my last post. The war in Syria is turning into a mess of conflicting threads here.

    This thread is gaining lots of OT posts that should not be here. Should there be a new thread for the Turkey/Russia spat or should it be part of the Russia/Syria thread?

    Either way should this thread be locked as the incident is over?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:41 am

    Khepesh wrote:Demonstration outside Turkish embassy in Sofia. About two hundred with Bulgarian, Russian and Syrian flags and banners saying "Retribution is inevitable", and "Russia we are with you". https://russian.rt.com/article/132861


    Well, Bulgaria understandably has this reaction, given they were properly genocided by the Ottomans.
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    Post  Guest Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:42 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter  - Page 14 CUrjeeLWsAAWiOI

    Apparently navigator few moments after being saved.

    Really? According to sources, he was supposed to be picked up at night and delivered back to base by ~4:00 am, after a day of evading durka durka search parties.


    Durka search parties that restarted as soon as the pilot contacted base. I mean holy fvck, Turkey was even listening to get him nailed. I mean FFS how could they even pretend not to know who they were shooting when they were screening for his distress call to get him captured. I don't know what's worse knowing those fuckers had Turkish intel all along, or knowing now Turkey was lying all along.

    I said "apparently" i just picked it up along, did not have means of confirming it. None the less nice photo. No regret in sharing it Very Happy
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:43 am

    ANKARA, November 26 - RIA Novosti, Alan Palazhchenko. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that in case of violation of air borders of the country is the same answer as the incident with the downed Russian Su-24 bombers.

    © AFP 2015
    Pentagon: Turkey hit by the Su-24, defending its airspace
    "If today is exactly the same violation of our air borders happens, we are able to give the same answer," - he said at a meeting of the heads of village administrations in Ankara on Thursday.
    On Tuesday, the Russian Su-24 crashed in Syria. He was hit by a rocket-type "air-air" to the Turkish F-16s over Syrian territory, and fell in Syria, four kilometers from the border with Turkey. Russia regarded the incident as a "stab in the back" by the accomplices of terrorists. Turkey claims that Russian aircraft had violated its airspace. General Staff of the Russian Federation said that the Su-24, the border crossing with Turkey and this is confirmed by Syrian air defense.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20151126/1328952123.html#ixzz3sbJPknzx

    Erdogan rising to the challenge or just talking tough?
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:53 am

    Russian Pillot Rescued by Iran's General Soleimani
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    TEHRAN (FNA)- Russian sources revealed on Thursday that the pilot of the Russian Su-24 jet that was shot down by Turkey over the Syrian airspace on Tuesday was rescued in an operation by Iran's globally renowned IRGC Qods Force Commander Major General Soleimani.

    On Tuesday, a Russian Su-24 bomber jet crashed in Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was downed by an air-to-air missile launched by a Turkish F-16 jet over Syrian territory, falling 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) from the Turkish border.

    The crew of the plane ejected and one pilot was killed by fire from the ground, according to the Russian General Staff. The co-pilot Captain Konstantin Murahtin survived. But the story of how he survived in a land surrounded by various types of terrorist groups for tens of kilometers was unknown until today.

    Emad Abshenas, a reporter for Russia's state-run Sputnik news agency, wrote a piece in the Persian-language website of the Russian agency quoting the entire story from a senior Syrian officer.

    "I contacted one of the Syrian officers who is my old friend and is stationed in Lattakia and asked him to tell me the story, and here is what he said," Abshenas mentioned.

    After the downing of the Russian fighter jet, the Russian helicopters took off immediately to save the pilot but they faced the heavy fire power of FSA (or the so-called moderate opposition, the Free Syrian Army, supported by the West) and the Turkey-back Turkmens who targeted the helicopter with missiles and advanced weapons that they have gained recently. During the operations one Russian aid worker was killed.

    Credible information was attained that a number of special Turkish units had been sent to the scene to hold the Russian pilot captive to blackmail Russia later. While the Russians were planning for another operations to free the pilot immediately, General Soleimani contacted them and proposed them that a special unit be formed of special Hezbollah forces and Syrian commandos who have been trained by Iran and are fully familiar with the geographical situation of the region be tasked with the ground operations and Russia provide them with air cover and satellite intelligence.

    Soleimani promised them to return the Russian pilot safe and sound; a promise that was kept in the end, according to the Syrian officer.

    After tracing the place of the Russian pilot using his GPS, it was revealed that the pilot was being kept in a place 6km behind the frontline of the clashes between the Syrian army and the opposition.

    Six fighters of Hezbollah's special operation unit and 18 Syrian commandos approached the frontline to carry out the operations and the Russian air force and helicopters concurrently created hellfire in the region and destroyed the terrorists' headquarters in a way that most of the enemy forces deployed in the region fled the scene and the ground was paved for the special unit's advance.

    The Syrian officer added that every move of the special units was monitored and covered precisely by the Russian satellites in a way that the slightest moves made 100 meters away from the area of operation was reported to them and every moment of the operation was reported to a very high-raking official in the Kremlin (that he thinks was president Putin) and it was clear that he was monitoring the entire operations through satellites from Moscow.

    According to the officer who called for anonymity, the operation later turned into a hunt of the terrorists in the operation zone by the Russian air force from the sky and by Brigadier General Soleimani's operations units on the ground.

    The Syrian officer believed that the Russians also launched strong electronic warfare immediately to blind all enemies' satellites and communication equipment in areas several kilometers away from the operational zone and when the enemies came to realize something was underway, the operations had ended. The electronic warfare was launched since the Russians were concerned that the western satellites would leak the operation to the terrorists.

    Finally, the special unit saved the pilot after infiltrating 6km behind the enemy lines, killing the terrorists operating in there and destroying their hi-tech equipment.

    The interesting point is that all the 24 members of the special units along with the pilot returned to their base without even one injury after fulfilling the dangerous mission.

    According to the senior Syrian officer, one of the reasons for the success of these operations was the difference between Turkey and the terrorists over the fate of the Russian pilot as the Turks wanted him alive to use him for political blackmailing against the Russia. While the terrorists stationed in the region intended to burn him alive like what did to the Jordanian pilot to fill the hearts of other Russian pilots with fright. And this rift paved the ground for rescue operations some golden hours. Since the opposition never imagined that such a rapid planning and action by the rescue squads would be possible, given the complicated nature of such operations.

    The Syrian officer said that General Soleimani insisted to supervise the details of the operations at the head of his forces and stayed in the operations room until he came to rest assured of their success.

    Abshenas then comes out of the report with a number of interesting points, saying:

    1. General Soleimani is fully healthy and is actively commanding operations in the frontline of the war against terrorists and responds rumors about himself with action and not by words and slogans.
    2. There is no extremist and moderate oppositions in Syria; all of them are terrorists appearing in the public in different clothes and under different masks.
    3. The Group 4+1 cannot trust other countries in any field and they should rely on themselves to eliminate the terrorists in the region based on their own specified plans.
    4. Iran and Russia's operational coordination in Syria is highly integrated and can break all enemies' fronts.
    5. Most of the FSA's Syrian members had withdrawn from the region after they came under Russia's airstrikes and the commandos fought non-Syrian forces who were using classic military tactics and not guerilla warfare and therefore, they could well be Turkish militaries or army forces of other countries. The commandos, of course, had no other choice but to kill them given the importance of rapid action in the operations and they didn’t had enough time to hold them captive.

    6. The terrorists present in the region possessed very modern and advanced military equipment for ground-to-ground and ground-to-air warfare which are not even supplied to a large number of countries which are Washington's NATO allies.
    7. According to informed sources who had traced the wireless contacts between the opposition forces, the Arabic, Turkish, Russian and French are respectively the most frequently used languages by the terrorists, revealing that the countries which are mostly posed to the danger of the return of these terrorists and shows that Russia is forced to continue fight until the complete annihilation of the terrorists in Syria to safeguard its own national security.
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940905000553
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    Post  Kadmos45 Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:55 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well not like this, they may be Russophobes or skeptical about Russia (for understandable reasons), but they keep it civil.


    Not all, but true that level of skurwienia Polish politicians is comparable to Ukropistan. they support banderlogs although  banderlogs are responsible of genocide of almost 400 Poles in Wolyn !!!
    just because their sick phobias against Russia they also seem to allying with IGIL just because IGIL is anti Russian affraid .

    Young generation is brainwashed every day with Ministry of Truth news, no wonder some of them behave scandalous.


    It isn't exactly the case in Poland. Polish politicians are typical center european scum that just like to suck EU money and will do everything for more ojros, thats why former ruling party PO (liberal corrupt thieves) "suddenly" change prorussian rhetorics to antirussian one since NATO sponsored majdan.
    They aren't on rabid insane anti-Russian level like those murderous rats Yats,Turczynow etc. just conformist types comparable to those spineless scumbags ruling in Slovakia, Croatia and Romania etc and their level of skurwienie is similar to those of current Bolgars ones.

    If you look closely at current regime of PIS (national-conservatives) you will see that there is no love for ukropistan either.
    There are of course pro natonazi US wing like this new BBN chief , but PIS is generally clueless in terms of geopolitics.

    Most young Poles are racists and hate muslim, arabs and turks the most along with jews and gypsies. They also hate urkians and lithuanians also dislike russians and germans and pretty much anyone that isn't polish bar maybe Greeks. They aren't really brainwashed by MSM but by all those "alternative" anti muslim/immigrant outlets with strong anti EU flavor.
    Also in Poland exists actually pro russian and antimuslim young nationalists , who are anti NATO and anti US who are growing more now and have even parliament members after last elections.

    The most active antirussian group inside PIS are those connected with pro US-zioni newspaper "Gazeta Polska".
    And most active pro urkians in PO are all those connected to "opendemocracy" Soros moneylaundering NGO-s.

    BTW. There will be a big movie in Poland about Wołyń genocide ( they murder not 400 Poles but more than two hundred THOUSANDS Poles mainly women, children and elderly...) Expect more anti urkian sentiment in Poland soon after the screening.
    Sorry for OT but maybe someone will be interesting in current situation in Poland.

    But back to Mustafa .  
    I think from what he wrote that he is just typical hipster from big city or seaside curort making good living from russian tourists (among others) and concerned about his income. Nothing more, nothing less. He go here to do some damage control but his plan backfire. The problem with turkey is that there is current coglomerate like: kemaligreywolfersturkomanazisjihadi who are really difficult to differentiate by their actions not ideology which means jackshyt now anyway.

    It would be much nicer from all those hipsters to do some antijihadi demonstration in Ankara and support for russian Antiterrorist operation BEFORE posting here, but it'll never happen.
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    Post  JohnSnow Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:59 am

    ^^^ I call BS (on the IRGC story).
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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:04 am

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    Obama with National Turkey Federation Chairman Jihad Douglas.

    Jihad!?
    lol!





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    Post  max steel Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:14 am

    The Turks had their media their. They had the Turkmen acting as Combat Controllers. They had the F16s loitering around the corner, properly armed. Seems it was planned WITH the approval of the US. unshaven
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:22 am

    https://www.google.gr/maps/place/Nusaybin,+47300+Nusaybin%2FMardin,+Turkey/@36.585782,40.6936312,7.75z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x400a0fd73be6e3cb:0xc5ee4463c0aa8867

    battles and bombing of the Kurdish city of Nusaybin in the disputed borders between Syria and Turkey
    Nusaybin was founted by the Asyrians around 890 BC, later populated by the Greek -Romans and lately was a frontier of Byzantines with old archaic Christian heritage home of Assyrian Saint Iakovos

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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:35 am

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    Post  Khepesh Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:38 am

    A comment has been made on Yugo-Vostok Enoti reminding about events in the 70s. Back then the Turks had made threats about closing the Bosporus to Soviet warships, and at the time Turkey made these threats, Andrei Gromyko, who was Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs, was in America at a party at the White House. Asked about this by reporters he said that the Black Sea Fleet only needed to fire a few salvoes of rockets to clear the way, and also Ankara. The Turks never made such a threat again, even with the protection of NATO. Let them remember what Gromyko said if they ever have the idea to make such threats again, and with a loony in charge of Turkey and a loony in the White House with even worse loonies pulling his strings, it can not be considered inconceivable at this time.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:54 am

    Bab Hawa border crossing  today... new Turkish convoy bombed..


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:02 am

    JohnSnow wrote:^^^ I call BS (on the IRGC story).

    Yeah, but There were Hizb'Allah guys involved.
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    Post  JohnSnow Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:24 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohnSnow wrote:^^^ I call BS (on the IRGC story).

    Yeah, but There were Hizb'Allah guys involved.

    Agreed, I'm not disputing that.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:26 am

    Erdogan's son with jihadists..
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:29 am

    arpakola wrote:Erdogan's son with jihadists..
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    Who are the jihadists in question?
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:44 am

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    S400 in Syria.. Latakia
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:48 am

    Guys, maybe starting the Kurdish Express would indeed be a good idea?

    No need to shoot down Turkish aircraft. Send a bunch of Igla-S to YPG/PKK together with routes of Turkish fighters... and watch them fall from the sky one by one. There is retaliation together with a degree of deniability that would not exist if RuAF shoots them down.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:50 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys, maybe starting the Kurdish Express would indeed be a good idea?

    No need to shoot down Turkish aircraft. Send a bunch of Igla-S to YPG/PKK together with routes of Turkish fighters... and watch them fall from the sky one by one. There is retaliation together with a degree of deniability that would not exist if RuAF shoots them down.

    The problem with Iglas and other manpads is that you never know to whose hands will end up ..
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    Post  Mustafa Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:04 pm

    I already said a dozen times it was a bad mistake. I´m also no supporter of Erdogan as a person, but i will never speak against the president.

    I want good relations between our nation and russia. The only one who profits from this idiocy (which happened because our mistake) is ISIS. Evryone in the region is pretty nervous. It looks like nobody checked what airplane this was exactly. Which was a mistake.

    But i want bring one point here, why we will never accept Assad in power in Syria. And russia pretty much knows they won´t be able to hold him in power if we actively work against it. Assad uses posion gas. Our government has the duty to protect our boarder, property and even more important life.

    What if Assad sends an airplane to do a poison gas attack on some boarder city? What then? We all sit down and say: my bad?

    Assad and his family clan have no future in syria.

    If russia wants an agreement they better find a puppet that can replace him.

    The turkmens are not secure under his regime. You either kick Assad out or cut off the turkmen areas and make them part of turkey.

    There is no scenario where turkey or any other nation in the region will ever support Assad. Considering the fact, that 80% of syrians are sunni and hate him with passion as well you know where this is going. This is a point totally independend from erdogan. No turkish president will allow Assad to rule over turkmens. Thats the red line.

    You can install there whoever you want. And even if you chose Lady Gaga as queen, so be it. But it won´t be Assad.

    That area is our crimea. And our people always come first, even before economic interests.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:07 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys, maybe starting the Kurdish Express would indeed be a good idea?

    No need to shoot down Turkish aircraft. Send a bunch of Igla-S to YPG/PKK together with routes of Turkish fighters... and watch them fall from the sky one by one. There is retaliation together with a degree of deniability that would not exist if RuAF shoots them down.
    Keeping the missiles close to the Syrian border, together with skillfully "dosing" number of missiles should help.

    I am a Big supporter of arming Kurds. Let's give Turks their own Donbass!
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    Post  Mustafa Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:10 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys, maybe starting the Kurdish Express would indeed be a good idea?

    No need to shoot down Turkish aircraft. Send a bunch of Igla-S to YPG/PKK together with routes of Turkish fighters... and watch them fall from the sky one by one. There is retaliation together with a degree of deniability that would not exist if RuAF shoots them down.

    Would be bad if advanced weapons end up in the caucasus region. A country like russia, that has tenthousands of terrorists in its boarders, doing crueles attacks like the one in that school, should never threaten another nation with supporting terrorists against them. Putin is smart enough to not go this route.

    Reality is, a mistake was done. We see alot of puffy faces right now. Diplomats will cool down the situation and in 2 or 3 weeks nobody gives a fuss anymore.
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    Post  Guest Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:13 pm

    Mustafa wrote:I already said a dozen times it was a bad mistake. I´m also no supporter of Erdogan as a person, but i will never speak against the president.

    I want good relations between our nation and russia. The only one who profits from this idiocy (which happened because our mistake) is ISIS. Evryone in the region is pretty nervous. It looks like nobody checked what airplane this was exactly. Which was a mistake.

    But i want bring one point here, why we will never accept Assad in power in Syria. And russia pretty much knows they won´t be able to hold him in power if we actively work against it. Assad uses posion gas. Our government has the duty to protect our boarder, property and even more important life.

    What if Assad sends an airplane to do a poison gas attack on some boarder city? What then? We all sit down and say: my bad?

    Assad and his family clan have no future in syria.

    If russia wants an agreement they better find a puppet that can replace him.

    The turkmens are not secure under his regime. You either kick Assad out or cut off the turkmen areas and make them part of turkey.

    There is no scenario where turkey or any other nation in the region will ever support Assad. Considering the fact, that 80% of syrians are sunni and hate him with passion as well you know where this is going. This is a point totally independend from erdogan. No turkish president will allow Assad to rule over turkmens. Thats the red line.

    You can install there whoever you want. And even if you chose Lady Gaga as queen, so be it. But it won´t be Assad.

    That area is our crimea. And our people always come first, even before economic interests.

    "What if Assad sends an airplane to do a poison gas attack on some boarder city"

    What if Superman attacks Turkish planes?
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:16 pm

    Russo-Turkish relations have been detoriating since 2011 when Erdogan, having apparently "excellent" relations with Assad, ruined thm by openly supporting jihadists against Assad so that now Syria is forever lost to Turkey.

    Shotdown of the Russian aircraft was just the next step in the long evident trend. There is no going back.

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