Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

Mustafa wrote:What do you mean by this? Of course we are byzantium. One of my great grandmothers was christian from Izmir. So she most likely was greek. But she converted to islam when she married. One of my great grandfathers came from cyprus. Why do you pull it on the genetic rail? Of course your and our people are basicly the same. We were one empire before the ottoman empire and we are only divided by religion.

You know what? I love to visit Ephesos when i visit my grandparents who live there. I see those ruins as part of our history. I´m proud for them. Byzantium didn´t die off. It was added to a new culture and formed our empire.

You can like it or not, but 150 years ago we would propably best friends and act like brothers. You know...at the end of the empire chaos broke out and many bad things happened to all sides. Those mass deportations were idiotic and cruel. It created hate that lives on today. On our side and on yours.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Friend I like what you want to say, but as a Hrvat just shut the Fuck up. You were mostly spared what we had to endure, basically because those dumbfuck Serbians, Albanians and other such Slavic and non-Slavic ethnies had to deal with Osman Bey.

Before you desacrate the memory of my ancestors by calling my reaction an atavic hot-piss, wash your mouth and step the fucking back a mile or two. If you think we're venting at a vassal, maybe you should check what we're talking about. The dude is not talking about some grand scheme of affairs, he's talking the very same shit that was happening 20 years aback at home, your home, my home. Only this time it's Syrians that are paying the price. It's already twice the dead and wounded from half a decade of civil wars in the Balkans all this in little more than 3 years, since the war become real hot.

If you don't understand that there's a cancer in Turkish collective litmus, then you don't get the point of why I keep ranting at Mustafa.

We don't care about NATO in this case, because it isn't NATO doing the wet work, It's the Saudis, the Turks and those Syrians that the war has left stranded. Conversely the Iranian and Russian intervention aren't making things easier for those Syrians that either have no choice but staying put or outright prefer the Khilafat folks or any other such BS.

But Worse, it's even more pointless to protest an Atomic Club like NATO while their "poodle" as you put it, is the one killing Syrians it doesn't like. It's also that poodle that has developped that nasty habit, fixers/pushers should never develop, which is getting hooked on their own product. Turkish foreign policy is indeed a joke and a sign of moral decadence (as going back to Grorious Times is, something you could also address to Russia at first glance) but it's also killing as much people as the US one on the region.

Now you sit down and stop your revolutionnary, contrarian mumbo jumbo, Mustafa wanted to talk, we're talking. Period.

Forgive my harsh words, but you're taking some folks for idiots here.

SturmGuard wrote:

Are you being serious? All kinds of insults are thrown around this forum, both personal and chauvinistic, and you call me out for "insulting Slavs" (myself included)? I am writing from personal experience. I am not writing any of this to make anyone feel good, I am reminding forgetful ones who pulls strings, makes calls, produces and delivers TOWs, training, supplies, funding.

Who continually assaults Russian interests and people.

SturmGuard wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Auslander has his own opinion and perception and other have theirs. You are not expert in geopolitics but just same level as everybody else. You have full right to your opinion but it does not men you can offend others. Slavs inclusive.  Mustafa has been doing long time here.

Obviously geopolitics has its own rights but I dont have to think about how to make Turks feel good especially ´those with Mustafa attitude. I am quite sure Putin finds the right answer without reading neither mine nor your posts

Are you being serious? All kinds of insults are thrown around this forum, both personal and chauvinistic, and you call me out for "insulting Slavs" (myself included)? I am writing from personal experience. I am not writing any of this to make anyone feel good, I am reminding forgetful ones who pulls strings, makes calls, produces and delivers TOWs, training, supplies, funding.

Who continually assaults Russian interests and people.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:then you are clearly anti-Zionist! As for Turks, they  have their place in funding and arming terrorists. Besides Turks "invented" FSA or Turkmen just to invade neighboring country.


BTW Slavs have inferiority complexes against Turks?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Listen the Northern TOWS for most part are trickle down US TOWS in Turkish custody. Just when the Strike campaign started, the turkish-sponsored groups received at least 6 more systems, not from the US but right out of Turkish stocks. I can point out Vehicle mounted TOWS, turned land Tows given to 10th/ 13th coastal division. I can also point you out to Norwegian TOWS (Serial 1993-71F) that were bought partly by Turkey for a single Krona piece (about 1600 of them). Same Norwegian TOWS popped up until Deir Ezzor.

You want to talk? We can talk. Turkey in fact has its own operation in Syria, to the point the US doesn't even want to get into it. I don't see how the US benefits from the bombing of the Kurdish militias which are its best card to create a second Israel in the Middle east?

That the "Great Satan" is a problem, we know that, but if you don't cut those limbs you can, you'll never manage to get close to the head.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

Are you being serious? All kinds of insults are thrown around this forum, both personal and chauvinistic, and you call me out for "insulting Slavs" (myself included)? I am writing from personal experience. I am not writing any of this to make anyone feel good, I am reminding forgetful ones who pulls strings, makes calls, produces and delivers TOWs, training, supplies, funding.

Who continually assaults Russian interests and people.

then you are clearly anti-Zionist! As for Turks, they  have their place in funding and arming terrorists. Besides Turks "invented" FSA or Turkmen just to invade neighboring country.


BTW Slavs have inferiority complexes against Turks?

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Listen the Northern TOWS for most part are trickle down US TOWS in Turkish custody. Just when the Strike campaign started, the turkish-sponsored groups received at least 6 more systems, not from the US but right out of Turkish stocks. I can point out Vehicle mounted TOWS, turned land Tows given to 10th/ 13th coastal division. I can also point you out to Norwegian TOWS (Serial 1993-71F) that were bought partly by Turkey for a single Krona piece (about 1600 of them). Same Norwegian TOWS popped up until Deir Ezzor.

You want to talk? We can talk. Turkey in fact has its own operation in Syria, to the point the US doesn't even want to get into it. I don't see how the US benefits from the bombing of the Kurdish militias which are its best card to create a second Israel in the Middle east?

That the "Great Satan" is a problem, we know that, but if you don't cut those limbs you can, you'll never manage to get close to the head.

I am aware of separate Turkish interests and operations in Syria, thank you for additional information. I am not sure I presented my opinion correctly, I was in favour of a larger and earlier Russian intervention, and harsh reprisals aimed at all foreign-sponsored terrorists operating in Syria. I just don't like silly rhetorics and slurs thrown around, I prefer cool heads and calculated retribution, actions speak louder than words.

On the limb and head part, can the head ever be reached by military means? Or the limbs cut off?

KoTeMoRe wrote:So you agree that we can only cut the limbs?

KiloGolf wrote:

Mustafa wrote:What do you mean by this? Of course we are byzantium. One of my great grandmothers was christian from Izmir. So she most likely was greek. But she converted to islam when she married. One of my great grandfathers came from cyprus. Why do you pull it on the genetic rail? Of course your and our people are basicly the same. We were one empire before the ottoman empire and we are only divided by religion.

You know what? I love to visit Ephesos when i visit my grandparents who live there. I see those ruins as part of our history. I´m proud for them. Byzantium didn´t die off. It was added to a new culture and formed our empire.

You can like it or not, but 150 years ago we would propably best friends and act like brothers. You know...at the end of the empire chaos broke out and many bad things happened to all sides. Those mass deportations were idiotic and cruel. It created hate that lives on today. On our side and on yours.

The religion difference is what brought the division

I didn't say that it was negative for modern Turkey to be Byzantium's replacement in Asian side (us, Serbia, Bulgaria and so on kept the Euro side). But Byzantium was an Orthodox Christian Empire of 1,000 years, which gave the keys to Russia when we lost our capital of Constantinople. Many princes, painters, clerics went to either Rome or Moscow.

I have no bad feelings about being a nation and people behind an Empire (many actually), but now it's on to Russia to continue these games. We are taking this millennium off.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with the user Mustafa.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are immediately in charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. What would be then the point of having conversations with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: that dude made me laugh sooo badly.

Dear Mustafa - you are wrong and reality is 100% opposite - you and Greeks look alike because you are just turkified Greeks. Yes, Turks are not Turkic by ancestry but a mix of turkified Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs etc. "Original" Turkic peoples were Asiatic in origin and looked more like Mongols, Tuvans etc.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with the user Mustafa.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are immediately in charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. What would be then the point of having conversations with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

The head of the Turkish National intelligence organization (MIT) stated that "the Islamic state" must be recognized at the international level.

Hakan Fidan said in his speech that ISIS is already a reality that should not fight, reports the German news Agency AWDNEWS. According to Fidan, Russia is not fighting the terrorist threat, and trying to "strangle" the Islamic revolution of Syria".

"Islamic state" (is prohibited in the Russian Federation terrorist group) is a well established and popular public system that it is time to recognize. "I urge my Western colleagues to revise their views on the Islamic political movement and to thwart the plans of Vladimir Putin to crush the Islamist Syrian revolutionaries", said the head of Turkish intelligence services.

But IG is not gathered recruits worldwide fighters, need to open in Istanbul, the official representative of the "Islamic state," said Fidan.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with the user Mustafa.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are immediately in charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. What would be then the point of having conversations with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with the user Mustafa.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are immediately in charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. What would be then the point of having conversations with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

check below my post, Mustafa´s boss has spoken

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote: I am sure you just noticed that, now with his cover is blown, he is struggling to keep his job. Too late.

Mustafa wrote:
I was worried for business and wondered how russians react. I saw real russians are cool headed. The other idiots here just serve my entertainment. I´m hat home with the flu the week and guys like you help me to beat up some time.

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:So you agree that we can only cut the limbs?

I just don't believe we can actually cut limbs, without knocking out (or administering anesthesia) the head first.

Russian appearance has obviously irreversibly damaged all of anti-Assad countries ambitions and designs in Syria. But neutralising Turkey or their foreign policy would involve a lot more than wiping out some Turkish SF, advisors and proxies. Or fighters entering foreign airspace.

Kadmos45 wrote: And your business is doomed anyway so cheer up ! Things will be just heating up and this is the best treatment for flu.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:So you agree that we can only cut the limbs?

I just don't believe we can actually cut limbs, without knocking out (or administering anesthesia) the head first.

Russian appearance has obviously irreversibly damaged all of anti-Assad countries ambitions and designs in Syria. But neutralising Turkey or their foreign policy would involve a lot more than wiping out some Turkish SF, advisors and proxies. Or fighters entering foreign airspace.

I agree, but so far it's basically revenge time. There's nothing long term here. Just wanton revenge.

Khepesh wrote:Over today listening to what Putin has been saying about the total intransigence of Turkey in this affair and what others have said and written, it began to seem that Turkey's response of esssentially not really responding and of not explaining and not apologising is the same as what the British do. I notice that British Defence Minister after this act of war by Turkey referred to them as a close ally and when questioned in Parliament about Turkey buying oil from IS simply launched a personal atack on the MP who asked the question. Cameron is determined to wage illegal undeclared war against Syria and has already said that he would authorise the shooting down of VKS aircraft in Iraq. This man is a dangerous loony and already a war crimminal because of Libya. I see the hand of UK behind Turkey just as much as Washington, and UK is only a front for Washington anyway. But looking closer we see that there is a sort of "triumvirate" operating in UK of Cameron, Osbourne and Boris Johnson. Johnson's grandfather has the name "Johnny Johnson", but this is not his birth name, which is Osman Kemal, and his father was Ali Kemal Bey. So, a loony pig fucking English public schoolboy pederast as Prime Minister, and a man of recent Turkish origins who is  close friends, and may in the future be Prime Minister. UK is also the major, and perhaps only sponsor of Turkey joining the EU. The pupetteers, the real Karabas Barabas sits behind the White House pulling the strings of whoever is president and only has to twitch a finger to cause Ankara to do this or that, but in this specific affair I also strongly see the hand of London.

Putin: Russia could use the fighters for security HQs in Syria

MOSCOW, 26 Nov — RIA Novosti. Russia can use fighter cover to ensure security of the Russian force fighting with terrorists in Syria, said the Russian President Vladimir Putin after talks with his French counterpart Francois Hollande.
"But we will not limit ourselves to, if necessary, we will accompany our aircraft and fighters, by other means, including the means of electronic warfare. Them, actually, much, we are now going to use them", — Putin said at a press conference, adding that it does not contradict the fact that fulfils the coalition led by the United States.


РИА Новости http://ria.ru/incidents/20151126/1329363639.html#ixzz3sdPahGoE

Kadmos45 wrote:

Mustafa wrote:
I was worried for business and wondered how russians react. I saw real russians are cool headed. The other idiots here just serve my entertainment. I´m hat home with the flu the week and guys like you help me to beat up some time.

 You have actually no idea what russians in Russia thinks about your actions. I think you are just posting in wrong place .
If you want to know what "real russians" think go to some russian language forum.

And your business is doomed anyway so cheer up ! Things will be just heating up and this is the best treatment for flu.