Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

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Mustafa wrote:
Beside that, if its necessary to take the land inhabitated by turkmens to guarantee their safety, we will do it. Putin also doesn´t want WW III. He isn´t the only one who can threat others. Last time i checked he paid the hardest price yet with two airplanes down so far.

Yeah, by two ambushes.

Do you know what will happen if the Turks try to engage Russian bombers which are expecting an attack, backed by escort fighters, ground-based and sea-based anti-air defence systems? Now the Russians will be prepared.

If you are really suggesting that Russia will lose a limited military engagement with Turkey (Khalkin-Gol or Sino-Soviet border war style), then you need to wake the fuck up and smell the coffee, because madmen Devaltogu and Erdogan are going to drag your nation into a situation where it can't possibly win.

I don't think Russia will do anything militarily if Turkey annexes part of Syria.
I'm just talking about if Turkey tries to engage a Russian military unit again. You keep saying that no-one is scared of Russia. Well I don't know about that, but I can tell you for sure, that the Russian military has a lot more capabilities and fire-power than the Turkish military, whichever way you spin it - 'dying power', 'taken over by China', all this irrelevant nonsense.

If Turkey annexes part of Syria; it may end up as just another northern Cyprus scenario, but it may also end up with NATO disowning Turkey and the West, Russia & China denouncing it at the UN and passing a resolution against it - because none of them need a dismembered Syria; and Turkey is not a permanent UN member, unlike Russia.
My advice is to tread carefully and advise your idiot president to cool down. He has made enemies of everyone needlessly; first Israel, then Syria, then the Kurds (which he was running a successful peace process with), and now Russia. He hasn't done much for Turkish relations with the EU, Armenia or Greece either.
And you might want to ask yourself why? Why is this all neccessery? Now Turkey is surrounded by enemies on all sides, or at the very least - unfriendly states. And before Erdogan there were no problems. Syrian Turkmen weren't oppressed by anyone, relations with Russia were progressing, relations with Israel were quite close, and the PKK and all Kurdish separatist activity was steadily winding down and evolving in a political peace process like in Northern Ireland.
This idiot ruined everything, and you blindly support him.
He's using all this as both domestic political points, and for his own regional ambitions for Turkey to become some sort of leader of the Sunni bloc in the Middle East. But this bloc is not worth fighting for - Saudi Arabia is losing in Yemen, Iran is only gaining in strength. Turkey needs a far smarter policy than the one it has; right now it has enemies on all sides - East, West, North and South.

moved to new John´s thread

moved to new John´s thread

John, dont get so worried about the state of this thread.

Its been a stinking, rotten pile of mouldy half digested kebab meat right since the start, nobody has taken it seriously since the two jokers turned up and then everyone else went full retard too.

Just be thankful it hasnt spread to the rest of the forum yet. Let this thread be an asylum of sorts for all the nutjobs and associated brainfarts that come with them.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well sorry,i am trying to have a conversation but most of you are fanboys.
I am tryin to say that,if Russia cuts gas,yea it will be a hard time but Russia is only a supplyer,we don't take all of our gas from that.
Plus,Russia sells its gas through blue stream to south europe,you know the capacity of this stream and you may calculate the loss.

I mean,it is not something like "Russia can do anything and has no harm."Russia is in a more fragile position,you should admit it,we have seen it last year's crysis.
Who knows,maybe this is a game between Russia and Turkey,some people tell it but i don't think it is possible.
The think Russia needed to do was to agree with Turkey and end the war in Syria.She choosed the long way.
On the other hand,Russia is earning new enemies after Georgia,Ukrain and old sscb countries.

How is Russia in a 'more fragile position'?
Because of the economic recession? Last time I checked Putin's ratings haven't moved an inch, and the economy is recovering.

The point is that NATO has already made the point to Turkey quite clear - if you want to continue provoking Russia; you are on your own. There will be no help from the 'international community' on this one.

And if the US didn't crush Russia over the Ukraine issue, then Turkey is not going to have much luck with Russia by itself.

Rodinazombie wrote:John, dont get so worried about the state of this thread.

Its been a stinking, rotten pile of mouldy half digested kebab meat right since the start, nobody has taken it seriously since the two jokers turned up and then everyone else went full retard too.

Just be thankful it hasn't spread to the rest of the forum yet. Let this thread be an asylum of sorts for all the nutjobs and associated brainfarts that come with them.

Thanks, it is, as you say, a good receptacle for the bile created by the thread starter and his fellow countryman. The only real problem I saw was that it sucked in information that should have been in threads where it might have been referred to later or seen by those studiously avoiding this angst fest.

JohninMK wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:John, dont get so worried about the state of this thread.

Its been a stinking, rotten pile of mouldy half digested kebab meat right since the start, nobody has taken it seriously since the two jokers turned up and then everyone else went full retard too.

Just be thankful it hasn't spread to the rest of the forum yet. Let this thread be an asylum of sorts for all the nutjobs and associated brainfarts that come with them.

Thanks, it is, as you say, a good receptacle for the bile created by the thread starter and his fellow countryman. The only real problem I saw was that it sucked in information that should have been in threads where it might have been referred to later or seen by those studiously avoiding this angst fest.

OK thne I return )



Putin forbade employers to employ Turkish nationals in 2016

http://ria.ru/world/20151128/1331098555.html


Putin has decided to limit imports of goods from Turkey
http://ria.ru/economy/20151128/1331096400.html



The General staff Greece: Turkey has reduced violations of air borders of the country
lol! lol! lol!
http://ria.ru/world/20151129/1331280618.html

all that turkey needs to do.. is to try to attack another Russian plane on Syria airspace..
a combat jet.. not a bomber only with ground attack weapons.. The turkey terrorist thinks
they can impress anyone with what coward attack on Russia from behind when they were not
expecting Turkey to become so coward than to do a chicken attack like that from behind
and on a bomber that was busing fighting terrorist.  

What Turkey Terrorist did.. will be comparable than to walk near your neighbor house
and wait he arrive from work.. greet him.. but he turns back.. he stab with a knife their neighbor in the back when he is not looking or expecting any combat.  It was a coward attack..

All that Russia needs to erase Turkey from the world map.. if that ERdopig and its terrorist airforce goes and strike a Russian civilian airliner. or another similar chicken attack. and you will
see how Turkey will be destroyed in just one day By Russia. with just a couple of nuclear strikes oon Turkey..it will be game over.. with millions killed in just one hit.



Then after the nuclear attack ,Russia will take control of Istanbul and Turkey will be split between RUssia ,Greece  ,Kurds and Syria.    

No more turkey ISIS sponsors in the world.
and for your information Russian nuclear weapons are the most powerful in the world by far.

Look at the top 4 nuclear weapons in the world ,that could be be falling in Ankara and Instantbull..  




Neither Europe ,Neither Americans will take a nuclear bomb from Russia for defending a Muslin
terror state like Turkey that support ISIS.     the developed modern nations ,Christian roots countries do not like muslin terrorist like turks. and the Americans that are atheist will neither do it.

One or two hits and Turkey will surrender.. knowing they had no chance to fight Russia
in a real world war. no sympathy for terrorist supporters. zero tolerance for terrorist turks

Is this the official Russo-Turkish venting thread?

Cyberspec wrote:Is this the official Russo-Turkish venting thread?

Yep. Seems that way.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
The General staff Greece: Turkey has reduced violations of air borders of the country
lol! lol! lol!
http://ria.ru/world/20151129/1331280618.html

It would be hard for them to violate the Greek airspace if the Turkish airforce has been grounded by the Russians.

ok i made the seperate thread that you asked a lot of you. But pls put relative posts here. only for Russia-Turkey confrontation

Body of Russian pilot in Turkey, preparing handover to Russia: Turkish PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

They are not ISIS militants but locals we work with. ISIS is not active at our boarder. And even if it would be ISIS, so what? ISIS fights against Assad and thats all that matters right now.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Mustafa wrote:They are not ISIS militants but locals we work with. ISIS is not active at our boarder. And even if it would be ISIS, so what? ISIS fights against Assad and thats all that matters right now.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Locals you work with huh?

Admins around?

Seriously Mods and Admin this trolling gone already to far ban this subhuman terrorist supportive scum who have nothing else done but trolling, insulting dead pilot and russians and advertized for terrorism.

Mustafa wrote:They are not ISIS militants but locals we work with. ISIS is not active at our boarder. And even if it would be ISIS, so
what? ISIS fights against Assad and thats all that matters right now.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Like killing infidels in Paris...slitting throats and beheading hundreds of innocent people...machine gunning thousands of lined up people...killing parents so as to take their children as slaves/sex slaves...murdering all who don't follow an ideology from the stone age.

They are vermin who should be wiped from the face of the earth
And so should their supporters.

I suspect you are a troll though..you have a very MilPhotos manner about you....

Mustafa wrote: Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

yup, that´s why 2 terrorists´ convoys were burned down



yet another genocide of peace loving democrats who are accusing Assad about non democracy

The public of Greece asks Russia to recognize the genocide of Pontian Greeks

As stated in the petition, posted on the website change.org in the period 1914-1923, Turkish authorities deliberately destroyed from 326 thousand to 382 thousand innocent Greeks living on the territory of Pontus.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151129/1331520458.html#ixzz3ssDechMK

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
The General staff Greece: Turkey has reduced violations of air borders of the country
lol! lol! lol!
http://ria.ru/world/20151129/1331280618.html

It would be hard for them to violate the Greek airspace if the Turkish airforce has been grounded by the Russians.

c´mon you are making life of Turkish intel full time employees on this forum miserable

Its not trolling. I state my opinion and i will voice it once.

I dont care what goes on in syria. It has no effect on my life or that of my people. I only care for the safety of turkmens in northern syria. Russia itself supports terrorism when it suits it. Its called diplomacy. Nations have no friends, just interests.

If anyone here is so moronic to believe that there is some humanity in foreign relations, he must be completly retarded. Blame the game, not the player.

Turkey warned France about the Paris attacks, France didn´t listen to intel information, so its their fault.

Basic fact now is that ISIS fights Assad and Kurds. Both effects are in our interest. Meanwhile they pose no threat for turkey right now.

Some here should read Machiavelli. Thats the ideology that powers diplomacy.

The current situation is a win situation for us. Syria is destroyed and the chaos forces EU to make us concessions.

And before someone here screams islamist again. I don´t believe in god. I´m a nationalist and kemalist. I see such groups as tool you use to get what you want and drop when they did what they were needed for.

They start to become a liability now so its very posible our position might change and we crush them and present ourself as the knight.

its important to keep all options open

The war against ISIS will take many years and to stabilize the situation in syria will take even longer. Best option for our nation is to keep both sides happy and profit from it as long as possible.

If you think i shed a tear because those ISIS idiots kill some yezidi kurds then i can tell you thats not a big topic when meeting with friends at starbucks or the apple store. A far more important topic is when will Microsoft launch ist Surface Pro 4 and when will i get it. I preordered but the delivery takes so long.

Seriously, where is the report button?

Neutrality wrote:Seriously, where is the report button?

Whats your problem with reality?

Name me a reason why we should not support something that suits our interests? As you noticed just today is a large meeting with all 28 EU member states and turkey where they discuss gifts for our nation, so we keep the refugees at bay. You know what that means? In the end i can travel without any visa for a weekend to milano, paris oder berlin. Its a great opportunity for us and a great chance. They need us. We give them something and they take.

Its that easy.

You can hate reality as much as you want. It won´t change. That russia starts bombing in syria makes it even better, because it creates even more chaos and havoc there. I care for our well being. Thats the only thing that matters.