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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:.....................

    So far all I see in East Ukraine are the oppressed thanking their oppressor for protecting them from their liberators.


    ^^This!!!
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    Post  max steel Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:55 pm

    AN OLD VIDEO FROM DONETSK NOT SYRIA WITH BATTLEFIELD THEME MUSIC Cool


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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:05 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Yeah I don't think so. Porko and the SBU are the very architects of their misery, the very founders of these nationalist battallions and it is they who caused the chaos that reigns in the country in the first place. Now the people ask him to step in and so something. They are incapable of thinking for themselves or rather unwilling - which means that they won't take much of anything into their hands and nothing serious will come of this.

    People's lives and livelihoods are being threatened and I don't think people will simply accept it. That's just not how the Slavic spirit and mind is constituted. There's already a video of a guy addressing the masses (a leader) and people literally signing up for something. Reminds you of something? Exactly. That's how self defense militias were formed in Crimea before the little green men appeared. Ofcourse the same little green men won't appear now (very little chance) but suppose there's a large group of people who have had enough and not only in Chonhar, who will willingly bet his money on some kind of support NOT coming? Crimea is literally next door after all.

    Yeah whatever. I'll believe it when I see it.

    So far all I see in East Ukraine are the oppressed thanking their oppressor for protecting them from their liberators.

    Ukrainians will need to stew in their own shit for a long time before they wake up, if ever. Their eagerness to drink the ethnic
    hate koolaid against Russians has turned them into yet another set of yapping chihuahuas on Russia's western border.

    Russia needs to hurry up and shut down gas transit through this newly minted toilet. These dogs also need a trade
    embargo from Russia and sustained for the coming decades. Even if that means poor trade relations with the EU.
    These are real enemies of Russia. Enemies who whinge about Russia being the enemy.
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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:52 pm

    Oplot tanks produced for Thailand being deployed by Ukraine near Donetsk
    https://twitter.com/shinobi22427722/status/681466709493026816
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    Post  Godric Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:04 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:Oplot tanks produced for Thailand being deployed by Ukraine near Donetsk
    https://twitter.com/shinobi22427722/status/681466709493026816

    dumb hahols how do they expect to be taken seriously as a reliable supplier if they are putting their customers hardware in jeopardy .... they are just going to damage their shattered defence industry even more
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:27 pm

    Godric wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:Oplot tanks produced for Thailand being deployed by Ukraine near Donetsk
    https://twitter.com/shinobi22427722/status/681466709493026816

    dumb hahols how do they expect to be taken seriously as a reliable supplier if they are putting their customers hardware in jeopardy ....  they are just going to damage their shattered defence industry even more

    First of all those are not hahols who do command such stuff but oligarch jewery of the west that drives a proxy war and secondly they do that on purpose. No nation should have any say in the resources on their soil as long this scum pretends to be gods.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:09 pm

    Richest Ukrainian is a Tatar.
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    Post  auslander Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:16 pm

    It will be interesting to see what happens at 00:01 01-01-16.
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:58 pm

    Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:15 pm

    franco wrote:Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/
    Amazing, over 8000 Russian 'soldiers' along with around 1000 pieces of equipment and not a single photo over the past few months. Bet NATO wishes it had that ability to make its forces vanish.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:30 pm

    MOSCOW, December 28. /TASS/. Ukrainian Armed Forces have moved 182 units of military equipment and 420 personnel to the contact line in Donbas over the last week, the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) defense ministry spokesman Eduard Basurin said on Monday. "DPR intelligence continues registering movement of military equipment and personnel of Ukrainian Armed Forces along the entire contact line," Donetsk News Agency quoted Basurin as saying.

    Basurin said that 86 self-propelled artillery systems, Grad multiple rocket launcher systems, artillery and armored vehicles were spotted on the Gorlovka direction. Kiev also moved 12 multiple rocket launcher systems, six D-30 howitzers, 22 tanks and armored personnel carriers, along with 100 personnel, on the Donetsk direction. DPR defense ministry also said that 56 units of Ukrainian military equipment were spotted on the Mariupol direction, in particular, 15 self-propelled artillery systems, 13 multiple rocket launcher systems, 20 tanks and armored vehicles, three Rapira anti-tank guns, five vehicles with ammunition and 320 personnel, including 200 foreign mercenaries.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/world/847406
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    Post  Godric Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:52 pm

    franco wrote:Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/

    I had to laugh at those figures the NAF are lucky if they have half that military hardware listed
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:00 pm

    According to the euromaidans, the NAF is stronger then most of the European Armies. How can the glorious heroes end up anything other then the glorious fallen?

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/05/26/separatists-in-donbas-have-more-tanks-than-germany-france-and-czech-republic-combined/
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    Post  Guest Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:01 pm

    Godric wrote:
    franco wrote:Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/

    I had to laugh at those figures the NAF are lucky if they have half that military hardware listed

    Last time i checked NAF claimed they operate 126 tanks.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:33 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:07 pm


    OMG, where is this pessimism comming from all of a sudden? I thought ukropistan was EU utopia already... lol1

    ''Political feuding imperils Ukraine's future, Obama's record''

    http://news.yahoo.com/political-feuding-imperils-ukraines-future-obamas-record-133758680--business.html
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    Post  Godric Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:39 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    franco wrote:Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/

    I had to laugh at those figures the NAF are lucky if they have half that military hardware listed

    Last time i checked NAF claimed they operate 126 tanks.

    I am talking about LNR and DNR in total
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    Post  Guest Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:23 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    franco wrote:Those dirty Russkies... 707 tanks now no wonder the glorious heroes can't win!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/12/22/one-fifth-of-dnrlnr-troops-are-regular-russian-army-forces-ukrainian-mod-infographic/

    I had to laugh at those figures the NAF are lucky if they have half that military hardware listed

    Last time i checked NAF claimed they operate 126 tanks.

    I am talking about LNR and DNR in total

    Well NAF is Novorossian Armed Forces, from what i once saw they claimed to have 126 tanks on their disposal.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:34 am


    I think i know what Auslander is drinking these holidays... lol1 drunken


    ''Kiev cries foul as historic Crimean wines go under hammer''


    http://news.yahoo.com/kiev-cries-foul-historic-crimean-wines-under-hammer-211232457.html

    Kiev (AFP) - Legendary Crimean winemaker Massandra, once a supplier to Russia's Tsar Nicolas II, has provoked the ire of Kiev by putting 13,000 vintage bottles up for auction on Tuesday.

    Massandra described the wines, some dating back to 1935, as "pearls that have endured heavy ordeals including during the war".

    One 1944 muscat "was produced in Yalta just after its liberation from German troops," it noted in a statement launching the sale being held at the winery and online.

    The Massandra region, which belonged to the Ukrainian state until the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, is now under Moscow's control with the rest of the peninsula.

    Kiev immediately reacted to the sale, threatening a criminal probe over "squandering Ukrainian heritage", said Olexandre Liev, a Ukrainian agriculture ministry official.

    Massandra was already at the centre of a scandal in September when Russian President Vladimir Putin and ex-Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi reportedly enjoyed a $100,000 bottle of 240-year-old sherry.

    Russian media said Massandra director Yanina Pavlenko, appointed by Moscow, uncorked the bottle herself.

    It was one of only five extant bottles of Jerez de la Frontera of the 1775 vintage, part of a legendary collection established by Prince Mikhail Vorontsov, who ran Crimea as governor-general in the first half of the 19th century.

    A sixth bottle of the same Massandra wine sold for 31,900 pounds (51,000 euros, $56,000) at Sotheby's in 2001. At the time, Ukraine's president authorised its sale, media reports said.

    Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev handed the strategically important Crimean peninsula to Ukraine in 1954 in what was then a largely symbolic move since Ukraine and Russia were both part of the USSR.

    Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases.

    The events unfolded against political chaos in Kiev, where Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by pro-Western protest leaders and fled.

    Moscow later made Crimea and Sevastopol into two Russian regions, with the United States and the European Union unleashing sanctions over violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity.

    Liev warned: "We want Russian and foreign collectors to realise that they could face international sanctions for illegal economic actions in annexed Crimea" if they buy the prized wines.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:01 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I think i know what Auslander is drinking these holidays... lol1 drunken


    ''Kiev cries foul as historic Crimean wines go under hammer''


    http://news.yahoo.com/kiev-cries-foul-historic-crimean-wines-under-hammer-211232457.html

    Kiev (AFP) - Legendary Crimean winemaker Massandra, once a supplier to Russia's Tsar Nicolas II, has provoked the ire of Kiev by putting 13,000 vintage bottles up for auction on Tuesday.

    Massandra described the wines, some dating back to 1935, as "pearls that have endured heavy ordeals including during the war".

    One 1944 muscat "was produced in Yalta just after its liberation from German troops," it noted in a statement launching the sale being held at the winery and online.

    The Massandra region, which belonged to the Ukrainian state until the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, is now under Moscow's control with the rest of the peninsula.

    Kiev immediately reacted to the sale, threatening a criminal probe over "squandering Ukrainian heritage", said Olexandre Liev, a Ukrainian agriculture ministry official.

    Massandra was already at the centre of a scandal in September when Russian President Vladimir Putin and ex-Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi reportedly enjoyed a $100,000 bottle of 240-year-old sherry.

    Russian media said Massandra director Yanina Pavlenko, appointed by Moscow, uncorked the bottle herself.

    It was one of only five extant bottles of Jerez de la Frontera of the 1775 vintage, part of a legendary collection established by Prince Mikhail Vorontsov, who ran Crimea as governor-general in the first half of the 19th century.

    A sixth bottle of the same Massandra wine sold for 31,900 pounds (51,000 euros, $56,000) at Sotheby's in 2001. At the time, Ukraine's president authorised its sale, media reports said.

    Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev handed the strategically important Crimean peninsula to Ukraine in 1954 in what was then a largely symbolic move since Ukraine and Russia were both part of the USSR.

    Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases.

    The events unfolded against political chaos in Kiev, where Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by pro-Western protest leaders and fled.

    Moscow later made Crimea and Sevastopol into two Russian regions, with the United States and the European Union unleashing sanctions over violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity.

    Liev warned: "We want Russian and foreign collectors to realise that they could face international sanctions for illegal economic actions in annexed Crimea" if they buy the prized wines.

    Some necessary corrections must be made to every Crimea-related piece coming from Yankistani MSM:

    "Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases."

    Crimea was NOT annexed - it seceded following the unconstitutional removal of the legitimate elected president after a violent takeover of parliament in defiance of an EU-backed compromise agreement.
    Controversial? It seems that the referendum was only deemed "controversial" because the result didn't confirm to the wishes of the US Elite and their Eurotrash vassals.
    Russia didn't send troops to Crimea as they were already there as part of the BSF basing agreements.

    Typical yahoo bullshit...
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:05 am

    Two gems from Interfax today along the lines of 'I am sure the Russians can be persuaded not to sue us' and 'maybe we are not getting the IMF money if they don't believe that crazy budget just voted through'.



    Ukrainian Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko expects to continue the dialog with the Russian side over the $3 billion in eurobonds purchased by Russia, which came due on December 20, 2015, in January 2016. "I expect that the dialog will continue after the holidays," Jaresko said during a press conference in Kyiv on Wednesday.


    Ukrainian Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko has said that she is not completely confident that the adopted budget and taxation bills will be approved by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). She said this during a briefing in Kyiv on Wednesday. "During the negotiations on the budget in the Verkhovna Rada, a number of amendments were introduced into our legislative package, and they need to be agreed with the IMF separately. I am not fully confident that these changes will be agreed upon," she said. Thus, the approval of the budget, which is a precondition for a new tranche of the IMF loan, is no guarantee of this tranche.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:14 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I think i know what Auslander is drinking these holidays... lol1 drunken


    ''Kiev cries foul as historic Crimean wines go under hammer''


    http://news.yahoo.com/kiev-cries-foul-historic-crimean-wines-under-hammer-211232457.html

    Kiev (AFP) - Legendary Crimean winemaker Massandra, once a supplier to Russia's Tsar Nicolas II, has provoked the ire of Kiev by putting 13,000 vintage bottles up for auction on Tuesday.

    Massandra described the wines, some dating back to 1935, as "pearls that have endured heavy ordeals including during the war".

    One 1944 muscat "was produced in Yalta just after its liberation from German troops," it noted in a statement launching the sale being held at the winery and online.

    The Massandra region, which belonged to the Ukrainian state until the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, is now under Moscow's control with the rest of the peninsula.

    Kiev immediately reacted to the sale, threatening a criminal probe over "squandering Ukrainian heritage", said Olexandre Liev, a Ukrainian agriculture ministry official.

    Massandra was already at the centre of a scandal in September when Russian President Vladimir Putin and ex-Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi reportedly enjoyed a $100,000 bottle of 240-year-old sherry.

    Russian media said Massandra director Yanina Pavlenko, appointed by Moscow, uncorked the bottle herself.

    It was one of only five extant bottles of Jerez de la Frontera of the 1775 vintage, part of a legendary collection established by Prince Mikhail Vorontsov, who ran Crimea as governor-general in the first half of the 19th century.

    A sixth bottle of the same Massandra wine sold for 31,900 pounds (51,000 euros, $56,000) at Sotheby's in 2001. At the time, Ukraine's president authorised its sale, media reports said.

    Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev handed the strategically important Crimean peninsula to Ukraine in 1954 in what was then a largely symbolic move since Ukraine and Russia were both part of the USSR.

    Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases.

    The events unfolded against political chaos in Kiev, where Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by pro-Western protest leaders and fled.

    Moscow later made Crimea and Sevastopol into two Russian regions, with the United States and the European Union unleashing sanctions over violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity.

    Liev warned: "We want Russian and foreign collectors to realise that they could face international sanctions for illegal economic actions in annexed Crimea" if they buy the prized wines.

    Some necessary corrections must be made to every Crimea-related piece coming from Yankistani MSM:

    "Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases."

    Crimea was NOT annexed - it seceded following the unconstitutional removal of the legitimate elected president after a violent takeover of parliament in defiance of an EU-backed compromise agreement.
    Controversial?  It seems that the referendum was only deemed "controversial" because the result didn't confirm to the wishes of the US Elite and their Eurotrash vassals.
    Russia didn't send troops to Crimea as they were already there as part of the BSF basing agreements.

    Typical yahoo bullshit...

    It seemed balanced to me.

    Crimea voted to secede and join Russia; legally speaking however it was an annexation by Russia of Ukrainian territory.

    The referendum was controversial from the point of view of international law. Illegal in fact. And referendums are not usually conducted under a heavy military presence of what was still then a foreign country.
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    Post  Neutrality Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:The referendum was controversial from the point of view of international law. Illegal in fact. And referendums are not usually conducted under a heavy military presence of what was still then a foreign country.

    Overthrowing a legitimate president which was done by the Western Ukrainian criminal clan was also very controversial in my books. Not even to mention starting a war against the Eastern Ukrainian population, instead of announcing early elections.

    We've been over this a hundred times already if not more. After ousting Yanukovich the first thing that should have happened IF these scumbags followed the constitution was to dissolute the parliament, pronounce a provisional government WITHOUT EXTRA POWERS SUCH AS DECLARING A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN POPULATION and announce early elections. They didn't play by the rules so whatever happened next is free game and Crimea's "annexation" is part of that.
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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I think i know what Auslander is drinking these holidays... lol1 drunken


    ''Kiev cries foul as historic Crimean wines go under hammer''


    http://news.yahoo.com/kiev-cries-foul-historic-crimean-wines-under-hammer-211232457.html

    Kiev (AFP) - Legendary Crimean winemaker Massandra, once a supplier to Russia's Tsar Nicolas II, has provoked the ire of Kiev by putting 13,000 vintage bottles up for auction on Tuesday.

    Massandra described the wines, some dating back to 1935, as "pearls that have endured heavy ordeals including during the war".

    One 1944 muscat "was produced in Yalta just after its liberation from German troops," it noted in a statement launching the sale being held at the winery and online.

    The Massandra region, which belonged to the Ukrainian state until the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, is now under Moscow's control with the rest of the peninsula.

    Kiev immediately reacted to the sale, threatening a criminal probe over "squandering Ukrainian heritage", said Olexandre Liev, a Ukrainian agriculture ministry official.

    Massandra was already at the centre of a scandal in September when Russian President Vladimir Putin and ex-Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi reportedly enjoyed a $100,000 bottle of 240-year-old sherry.

    Russian media said Massandra director Yanina Pavlenko, appointed by Moscow, uncorked the bottle herself.

    It was one of only five extant bottles of Jerez de la Frontera of the 1775 vintage, part of a legendary collection established by Prince Mikhail Vorontsov, who ran Crimea as governor-general in the first half of the 19th century.

    A sixth bottle of the same Massandra wine sold for 31,900 pounds (51,000 euros, $56,000) at Sotheby's in 2001. At the time, Ukraine's president authorised its sale, media reports said.

    Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev handed the strategically important Crimean peninsula to Ukraine in 1954 in what was then a largely symbolic move since Ukraine and Russia were both part of the USSR.

    Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases.

    The events unfolded against political chaos in Kiev, where Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by pro-Western protest leaders and fled.

    Moscow later made Crimea and Sevastopol into two Russian regions, with the United States and the European Union unleashing sanctions over violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity.

    Liev warned: "We want Russian and foreign collectors to realise that they could face international sanctions for illegal economic actions in annexed Crimea" if they buy the prized wines.

    Some necessary corrections must be made to every Crimea-related piece coming from Yankistani MSM:

    "Russia formally annexed Crimea in March 2014 by a controversial referendum after sending special forces troops there to take over key institutions and military bases."

    Crimea was NOT annexed - it seceded following the unconstitutional removal of the legitimate elected president after a violent takeover of parliament in defiance of an EU-backed compromise agreement.
    Controversial?  It seems that the referendum was only deemed "controversial" because the result didn't confirm to the wishes of the US Elite and their Eurotrash vassals.
    Russia didn't send troops to Crimea as they were already there as part of the BSF basing agreements.

    Typical yahoo bullshit...

    It seemed balanced to me.

    Crimea voted to secede and join Russia; legally speaking however it was an annexation by Russia of Ukrainian territory.

    The referendum was controversial from the point of view of international law. Illegal in fact. And referendums are not usually conducted under a heavy military presence of what was still then a foreign country.

    I dare you to provide a single other example where an independence referendum by the majority population to re-assert the rights they were
    robbed of by an illegal territorial transfer to another state is called annexation. The article seems balanced to you because your views are
    unbalanced. Ukraine annexed Crimea in 1991.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:19 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The referendum was controversial from the point of view of international law. Illegal in fact. And referendums are not usually conducted under a heavy military presence of what was still then a foreign country.

    Overthrowing a legitimate president which was done by the Western Ukrainian criminal clan was also very controversial in my books. Not even to mention starting a war against the Eastern Ukrainian population, instead of announcing early elections.

    We've been over this a hundred times already if not more. After ousting Yanukovich the first thing that should have happened IF these scumbags followed the constitution was to dissolute the parliament, pronounce a provisional government WITHOUT EXTRA POWERS SUCH AS DECLARING A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN POPULATION and announce early elections. They didn't play by the rules so whatever happened next is free game and Crimea's "annexation" is part of that.

    I don't dispute any of them but like it or not whether the Ukraine violates its own constitution or not is its own business, from an international law standpoint. Even if the coup was organized abroad, it was still carried out by local elements and opposition forces with popular support at least in Kiev.

    Coups and revolutions happen in countries around the world all the time; but that doesn't give a carte blanche for other countries to come in and take advantage of the chaos or intervene - w/o a UN resolution that's still illegal regardless of whether a country has a government that's legitimate by its own constitution and/or legitimate to its own people. You think any Ukrainian government, legal or not, would ever have agreed to Russia annexing the Crimea? No, they wouldn't have, so the point is moot.

    If the country's citizens disagree with its new illegal government though, they certainly do have the right to do something about it - so the uprising in the Donbass was a lot more 'legal' than Russia's annexation of the Crimea, from that perspective.

    Of course though Crimea was heading towards war and the situation was deteriorating with each passing day. Russian intervention was a matter of necessity; possibly the situation could have been resolved by convincing the coupist authorities to lay-off and enter negotiations; but hind-sight shows that they would have been unlikely to listen.

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