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Post n°951

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Isos Sat May 30, 2020 4:54 pm

Hole wrote:The proposed Tsirkon light, which will come in a transport and launch container, can replace the Uran-M missiles midships. Could be a close relative to the Su-57 hypersonic missile.

They still don't have the small brahmos ready that is supposed to have the same caracteristics as the big brahmos. I wouldn't expect a miniaturized Zirkon soon.

They can always make a new better kh-35M with more range and better stealth. They could add another meter of lenght filled with fuel because angled launchers are not limited in lenght and they woukd reach 400km range pretty easily.

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GarryB Sun May 31, 2020 7:21 am

They could go another way too.... Kh-31 uses a ramjet engine to fly at about mach 3... an upgraded version with scramjet propulsion and improved fuel and you could probably easily double or triple that speed and perhaps double the range too without needing to make it much bigger.

The change from propeller led to the choice of speed over range because although jet engines offered increased speeds they were not very efficient to start with, but the transition from ramjet to scramjet is actually different... once the supersonic combustion of fuel is mastered a scramjet is a much more efficient and effective engine than a ramjet while maintaining its simplicity.

When using airflow for thrust the limitation of the ramjet is that to operate and burn the fuel to create thrust the airflow needs to be subsonic so at high speeds you need to reduce airflow into the engine so the fuel can burn and create thrust. With a scramjet no need to restrict inflow of air so it is easier to fly much much faster... in fact the compression in the hot section with mach 6 plus air going in to it combustion section where fuel is added might lead to spontaneous combustion anyway due to the heat and presence of O2 and fuel...

A mix of Kh-35s and Kh-31s would be rather interesting... for light vessels... and even secondary armament for bigger vessels too.

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hoom Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm

Some more pics, closeups confirm the radars aren't actually mounted, just temp covers over the holes so its going to have a bunch of time pier-side completing.

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hoom Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:27 am

Good views in this vid

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hoom Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:12 pm

Ka-27 testing on Gremy

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Hole Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:51 pm

Nice job by Charly015.

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PapaDragon Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:06 pm

Aldar arrived in Vladivostok
Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 19-8753593-aldar3

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ultimatewarrior Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:48 pm

PapaDragon wrote:
Aldar arrived in Vladivostok

It appears to have the ugly Kh-35 box launchers removed and VLS installed.

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George1 Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:20 am

ultimatewarrior wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Aldar arrived in Vladivostok

It appears to have the ugly Kh-35 box launchers removed and VLS installed.

Thats the difference of Poroject 20385 with 20380. It will have UKSK instead of Kh-35 launchers

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Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:25 am

Is that ship "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov"? If so it is a 20380 and should have uran launchers, not UKSK... the only VLS should be 12 result VLS cells

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Big_Gazza Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:37 am

The Uran launchers are concealed behind bulkheads. You need a well elevated line of sight to see them clearly. Like in this great view of the (very dirty) Gromkiy taken while still fitting out:

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 21-8662489-1207597

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 21-8662489-1207597

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Big_Gazza Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:05 pm

Here's another (of the Aldar Tsydenzhapov itself). You can see the Uran bays as usual (but missile packs are yet to be fitted).

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 20-8756329-asz-002

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 20-8756329-asz-002

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ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:16 pm

George1 wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Aldar arrived in Vladivostok

It appears to have the ugly Kh-35 box launchers removed and VLS installed.

Thats the difference of Poroject 20385 with 20380. It will have UKSK instead of Kh-35 launchers

Wrong. It's 20381, not 20385. 20385 is Gremyashchiy class. 20381 is improved Steregushchiy.

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ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:19 pm

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Is that ship "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov"? If so it is a 20380 and should have uran launchers, not UKSK... the only VLS should be 12 result VLS cells

It is 20381 not 20380.

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hoom Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:01 am

There is no 20381 designation.
These are 20380 improved.

Some more pics:
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Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 21-8758501-nikon-d750-2020-06-19-11-32-17

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That mast isn't quite as sleek as it may have at first seemed, a bit excessively vertical, compare with 20385
Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 21-8758525-03-8209625-dsc-2303-kopiya

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 39 21-8758525-03-8209625-dsc-2303-kopiya

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Ppl at Balancer suggest the difference is 20385 had redesigned internal structure to support the wider mast vs this is re-using the original 20380 structure, seems a reasonable explanation.

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ult Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:18 pm

Rezkiy at Amur Shipyard.

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George1 Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Russia’s top brass places order with Amur Shipyard for Project 20380 missile corvettes

The signing ceremony took place at the Army-2020 international military and technical forum

KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 25. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Amur Shipyard on building Project 20380 corvettes, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Tuesday.

The signing ceremony took place at the Army-2020 international military and technical forum.

In August, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited the Amur Shipyard.

Project 20380 ships developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau are designed to accomplish green-water escort and strike missions and patrol coastal waters. They are armed with universal artillery guns, surface-to-air missile/artillery systems, supersonic missiles and automatic artillery launchers. The Project 20380 corvettes can carry a Ka-27 helicopter.

https://tass.com/defense/1193659

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Rodion_Romanovic Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:37 pm

George1 wrote:

Russia’s top brass places order with Amur Shipyard for Project 20380 missile corvettes

The signing ceremony took place at the Army-2020 international military and technical forum

KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 25. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Amur Shipyard on building Project 20380 corvettes, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Tuesday.

The signing ceremony took place at the Army-2020 international military and technical forum.

In August, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited the Amur Shipyard.

Project 20380 ships developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau are designed to accomplish green-water escort and strike missions and patrol coastal waters. They are armed with universal artillery guns, surface-to-air missile/artillery systems, supersonic missiles and automatic artillery launchers. The Project 20380 corvettes can carry a Ka-27 helicopter.

https://tass.com/defense/1193659

Good news..

Did they say how many?
6 more?

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The-thing-next-door Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:16 pm

George1 wrote:

supersonic missiles

https://tass.com/defense/1193659

I thought 20380s were armed with Urans.

Will the new ships be a variant with UKSK VLS cells?

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Rodion_Romanovic Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:44 pm

The-thing-next-door wrote:

George1 wrote:

supersonic missiles

https://tass.com/defense/1193659

I thought 20380s were armed with Urans.

Will the new ships be a variant with UKSK VLS cells?

Maybe there is a mach 2 missile that uses the same launchers as Urans...

Or they are planning to build 20385

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PapaDragon Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:48 pm

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:

George1 wrote:

supersonic missiles

https://tass.com/defense/1193659

I thought 20380s were armed with Urans.
Will the new ships be a variant with UKSK VLS cells?

Maybe there is a mach 2 missile that uses the same launchers as Urans...

Or they are planning to build 20385

More likely journalists fudged it yet again

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hoom Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:17 am

I still contend the news a while back about a smaller version of Zirkon was talking about a Uran replacement.

Hopefully this build announcement is first of several -> a decent squadron for each fleet.

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Hole Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:35 am

"According to Vedomosti, among them are contracts for 30 su-35S, 24 su-34 bombers, 25 Yak-130 and 20 DA-42T training aircraft, 14 military transport Il-76MD-90A and two Il-112V for the VKS and 21 su-30SM2 fighters for marine aviation. In addition, contracts were signed for eight project 20380 corvettes, two project 20385 Corvette, two project 22350 frigates, one each diesel submarines of projects 636 and 677, a supplementary agreement to the contract for the renovation and modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" nuclear submarines of project 971, the modernization of tanks T-80BV to the level of T-80БВМ, buying BMP-3."

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PapaDragon Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:47 am

So that's 10 corvettes, 2 frigates and 2 subs?

Now that's what I call a good days shopping thumbsup

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Big_Gazza Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:09 pm

Hole wrote:"According to Vedomosti, among them are contracts for 30 su-35S, 24 su-34 bombers, 25 Yak-130 and 20 DA-42T training aircraft, 14 military transport Il-76MD-90A and two Il-112V for the VKS and 21 su-30SM2 fighters for marine aviation. In addition, contracts were signed for eight project 20380 corvettes, two project 20385 Corvette, two project 22350 frigates, one each diesel submarines of projects 636 and 677, a supplementary agreement to the contract for the renovation and modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" nuclear submarines of project 971, the modernization of tanks T-80BV to the level of T-80БВМ, buying BMP-3."

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