Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

ult wrote:

franco wrote:
Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

Looking at the serial numbers:
1001-1020
1101-1120
1201-1220
1301-1308

Thanks for that link.
The 4 30SM's for the Kazakhs wouldn't count to the Russians, so the Russian Air Forces would have 64 for the sake of our argument here.

According to this link on the 30M2's there would be;
Uglovaya - 4
Dzemgi - 4
Krymsk - 6+3 just delivered
Belbek - 3

Plus they are building 2 more without a contract yet.

franco do we have any mor info on MiG-29SMTs?

At the end of previous year 5 delivered according to various sources. That means that 5 will also delivere din 2016? Are there any aircrafts produced in 2015 and now on testing?

George1 wrote:franco do we have any mor info on MiG-29SMTs?

At the end of previous year 5 delivered according to various sources. That means that 5 will also delivere din 2016? Are there any aircrafts produced in 2015 and now on testing?

Certainly some questions here. The original story was for 8 delivered in 2015 and 8 in 2016. Back in the summer I reported about 2 -29UBM's undergoing flight testing with the first batch of -31BM's last year and then there were 2 more with the second batch of -31's in November or December.
I believe these are actually 4 -29UBT's and with 4 29SMT's make 8 completed. They are being used to train the air crews so when the next 8 -29SMT's show up in the summer they can deploy to Armenia where with the modernized 14 Mig-29S's they will form a new regiment... time tells.
And to what degree the 29S's were modernized not sure, but obviously not SMT or they would be announcing such.

"I think Su-30M2 from Far East will go to European part together with Su-27SM, which are getting replaced by Su-35S there. From the numbers it seem that in Krymska they will form a squadron of Su-30M2 to form a regiment with a squadron of new build Su-27SM3, other regiments will have 4 Su-30M2 working as twin seaters with full regiments of Su-27SMs. Most probably regiment in Belbek will have 24 Su-27SM and 4 Su-30M2. Where another regiment of Su-27SM will be relocated, we will see. Most probably they will build additional Su-30M2 for additional three squadrons of Su-27SM3, which will be modernized in coming years. Considering, they will form three squadrons, they will need to build 6 additional Su-30M2 for trainers (2 per squadron)."


I agree the 27SM's will all be in the West and especially needed to cover off for the 27P's as they are upgraded to 27SM3.
It has already been mentioned that there will be a regiment of 27SM3's (24) in Belbek and another in Belarus.

In 2016, there is planned to equip;
Millerovo - 24 Su-30SM's (20 already)
Uglovaya - 12 30SM's & 12 Su-35S's (6 already, aircraft already made just not all on site yet)
Erebuni - 16 Mig-29SMT/UBT's

GOING FORWARD

Besovets - announced next with 24 Su-35S's

This leaves 40 Su-30SM's (maybe more), 26 Su-35S's and 30+ Mig-35's to stock Krymsk (24 35S's?), Khotilovo (24 30SM's?), Monchegorsk (12 30SM's?) and Chkalovsk (24 Mig-35?)

The 50 reported Su-30SM's for Naval Aviation probably Novofedorivka (24 - 8 already) and Chernyakhovsk (24)

This with the upgraded 110+ Mig-31BM's giving modernized fighters (MRCA) at all present fighter units / airbases plus Belarus. Suspect a squadron (12) of 27SM's to be in Kant? One (12) spread around training/test units and perhaps the other 2 (24) at Astrakhan?

Still a lot of question marks but a clearer image is developing. Again time tells and there still is the T-50 to come into play.

Isos wrote:Why did they bought Su 30 M2 ?? Isn't it older and less capable than SM ?

As a combat trainer for the Su-27SM/SM3 and Su-35S. The Su-27UB's were not considered worthy of being modernized (except for 1 or 2 UBM's) and the 35S was only built in a single seat model.

mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

Good find. Maybe a little optimist on the older planes ie 27's and 24's still operating IMO.

medo wrote:

mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

Interesting. Only strange thing is 24 Su-30M2 delivered and some say 2 are more in production. Something we do not know? Additional 6 would be logical for additional 3 Su-27SM3 squadrons. It seems they keep some orders in secret.

He says 20 ordered and then 24 delivered. There are only 20 delivered and as far as I know ordered... damn civilians, damn media

franco wrote:

medo wrote:

mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

Interesting. Only strange thing is 24 Su-30M2 delivered and some say 2 are more in production. Something we do not know? Additional 6 would be logical for additional 3 Su-27SM3 squadrons. It seems they keep some orders in secret.

He says 20 ordered and then 24 delivered. There are only 20 delivered and as far as I know ordered... damn civilians, damn media  

numbers of that pages seem to have some minor but obvious mistakes. 129 Su-34 from 124?? and 98 Su-35S ordered from 96? i dont think its accurate. I trust more UAC's 2015 public results

Millerovo airfield

According to the snapshot on March 9, 2016 at the airport Millerovo were 20 Su-30SM, three planes "like" Su-27/30 "(according to the author of this article, this aircraft from the third mixed air regiment of the same 1th Composite air division airfield Krymsk) and 34 MiG-29, the latter continued to be used. Almost the same part of the aviation group in Millerovo, according to the publication, there was there on the satellite photo taken April 5, 2016 (the article will not be published) only the number of MiG-29 was reduced to 32 - and the MiG-29 also continued to fly (in a picture from October 17th 2015, the number of MiG-29 in Millerovo was 36).



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1835175.html

franco we had 75 su-34 delivered at the end of 2015. No after last deliveries we have 81??

George1 wrote:franco we had 75 su-34 delivered at the end of 2015. No after last deliveries we have 81??

Not sure if the 2 delivered the end of January count against the 75 or not... so 79 or 81. We will soon know.

eehnie wrote:
Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?

There are no Su-39's and about 80 modernized Su-25SM's over the last decade. Su-25SM3's are due to start arriving this year.

eehnie wrote:

franco wrote:

eehnie wrote:
Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?

There are no Su-39's and about 80 modernized Su-25SM's over the last decade. Su-25SM3's are due to start arriving this year.

Thank you very much. My main doubt comes because I do not know exactly if all these units of new versions are previous units updated or if there is some new unit produced. I would like to know the year of delivery of the last new units produced.

They are all upgrades. Last new ones would be at least 20 years ago.