GarryB wrote:Yeah... of course... they can put the Tu-160 back into production by next tuesday... just like NASA can whack out a half a dozen new Space Shuttles in 6 months... or not.
It's much more than that, hence the noted delay.
GarryB wrote:Yeah... of course... they can put the Tu-160 back into production by next tuesday... just like NASA can whack out a half a dozen new Space Shuttles in 6 months... or not.
Isos wrote:If one of these aircrafts proved its reliability in the last year, its the Su-24. Heavily used in Syria, Electronic warefare against Donald Cook, simulated attacks against Donald. Very nice Aircraft which completed the small numbers of Su-34 in the last decade and in Syria. Hope they will keep them.
The duo Cheap simple Aircraft with an exppensive and superior Aircraft is well used by Russia. They adapted this strategy for the military transition between USSR and Russia in every aspects of their military : (tanks t-72/90 + t14), aviation (Su 27/30 + Pak fa Su35 or Ka52 + Mi 24/28), naval (upcoming new frigates and destroyer with cheap corvetes and old modernized vessels) more special force with less conscripts...
With their strategy of big concentrated attacks, its better than having just small amount of very good stuff. 1000 T-72+250 T-14 is better than 400 t-14.
Do you know if there are some Tu-22 still in service franco ? It was a very good concept of cheap bomber but not very good according to pilot to fly. A modernized version with todays flight controls would make it a good bomber which could help Tu-22M in attacking naval carriers and bombing mission.
Mixing cheap in big numbers with quality in low numbers is a very good tactic. The logistic and the cost of maintenance however would be great.
Isos wrote:eehnie wrote:Isos wrote:
About the Tu-160 there are reports that talk about 50 units to be ordered.
Looking at the numbers, the reserves of Strategic Bombers are still far from a saturation. It would be necessary between 50 and 60 units to reach the saturation until the degree that today have the Interceptors. Then this the new order of production for the Tu-160 would replace the Tu-95 in the active service, but the Tu-95 (47 active and 12 in the reserve according to decent sources) would remain in the reserve, to complete the current fleet until the saturation of the reserve. The cathegory of Strategic Bomber has been in question for some decades, and the required production of Tu-160 was not completedd at the time. But the concept is proving to be still modern and useful as military concept, and the production is being restarted in the short-mid term. The new production line should be active by 2019-2020, and the production of the aircraft can remain until 2030 aproximately.
The Tu-PAK-DA needs still a lot of research and development. I hope to see the first unit by 2025, but the serial production surely will not be ready until 2030. And then yes, the orders of the Tu-PAK-DA will be likely mean a total decommission of the Tu-92, and a bigger presence of the Tu-22 in the reserve.
Tu-160 are very expensive. If the pak da is meant to replace them, it will be even more expensive. So I don't think they will replace Tu-22M with it. Their role is not the same. Tu-22M are more tactical bombers used for conventionnal bombing and Tu-160 strategic bombers armed with nuks. Actually they should make 2 pak da one "little" and one "big".
The Tu-PAK-FA will not replace the Tu-160. It will follow the Tu-160 at production level, but both aircrafts will remain together in the Russian fleet. If I would have to say which aircraft will be replaced by the Tu-PAK-FA I would say the Tu-95/142, that at the time likely will be only in the reserve.
In adition to the saturation of the current fleet of strategic bombers, it is likely to see the numbers of active and reserve strategic bombers increased by interation with the maritime patrol fleet.
That's the problem. Even the big military budget of USSR wasn't enough for a lot of Tu-160. If the Pak-Da (not Fa) is at the same price than Tu-160 Russia won't build them a lot and couldn't replace Tu-95 with them. Maybe it won't be as expensive as the Tu-160, a more conventional bomber with new technologies but not the last of te last super expensive tech.
franco wrote:
- 82 Su-30SM
- 89 Su-34
George1 wrote:franco wrote:
- 82 Su-30SM
- 89 Su-34
i have 81 Su-30SM and 91 Su-34
franco wrote:From various sources, deliveries in 2017 to include;
- 10 Su-35S
- 17 Su-30SM
- 4 Su-27SM3
George1 wrote:franco wrote:From various sources, deliveries in 2017 to include;
- 10 Su-35S
- 17 Su-30SM
- 4 Su-27SM3
and Su-27SM3 also? this means new-built Su-27SM?
ЦАМТО, 9 марта. Воздушно-космические силы (ВКС) России в 2017 году получат 17 новых многоцелевых истребителей Су-30СМ и 10 учебно-боевых самолетов Як-130. Об этом, как передает «РИА Новости», сообщил замминистра обороны РФ Юрий Борисов при посещении Иркутского авиационного завода.
«С заводом заключены длительные контракты, в соответствии с которыми в текущем году он должен сдать нам 17 самолетов Су-30СМ и 10 Як-130», – сказал Ю.Борисов.
medo wrote:https://vpk.name/news/176707_vks_poluchat_17_istrebitelei_su30sm_i_10_uchebnoboevyih_yak130_v_2017_godu.html
ЦАМТО, 9 марта. Воздушно-космические силы (ВКС) России в 2017 году получат 17 новых многоцелевых истребителей Су-30СМ и 10 учебно-боевых самолетов Як-130. Об этом, как передает «РИА Новости», сообщил замминистра обороны РФ Юрий Борисов при посещении Иркутского авиационного завода.
«С заводом заключены длительные контракты, в соответствии с которыми в текущем году он должен сдать нам 17 самолетов Су-30СМ и 10 Як-130», – сказал Ю.Борисов.
RuAF will receive 17 Su-30SM and 10 Yak-130 from Irkut in 2017. I wonder how many will be delivered to NAVY in 2017.
miketheterrible wrote:Does anyone have the cost of the upgrade for Su-27's? And if it is low, why not just upgrade all of them?
franco wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Does anyone have the cost of the upgrade for Su-27's? And if it is low, why not just upgrade all of them?
Not sure about the cost. My understanding is that it will be an extensive rebuild with the present aircraft stripped down to the frame and rebuilt with as much Su-35S technology as possible. The biggest challenge will be finding enough good frames IMO.
franco wrote:Also due in 2017;
First 3 Yak-152
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2486644.html
Plus 3 An-148's and 5 Il-76-90's.
Isos wrote:franco wrote:Also due in 2017;
First 3 Yak-152
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2486644.html
Plus 3 An-148's and 5 Il-76-90's.
Just 3 Yak-152 ?? Why not more it's a simple trainer aircraft, they can build hundreds of them in a year.
George1 wrote:For new combat aircraft we expect in 2017
10x Su-35
16x Su-34
17x Su-30SM (Air Force)
5x Su-30SM (Navy)