miketheterrible wrote:I believe Su-35 as well.
10 x Sukhoi-35S and 6 x upgraded Su-27SM3 to be transferred to the Russian MoD from Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant (KnAAZ) in 2018:
https://t.co/0XxCmXKzkE
miketheterrible wrote:I believe Su-35 as well.
AMCXXL wrote:Kimppis wrote:Well, I think his numbers for 2027 are generally accurate, especially when it comes to tactical aircraft. I and AMCXXL have come to very similar conclusions on this very forum.
Are you saying that they are only going to order Su-57s after 2018/20? That Russia is going to stop buying additional Su-35s and Su-34s, in particular? Why? How?
All the remaining planes are going to be replaced by Su-57s? That they're going to somehow order more than a squadron worth of Su-57s annually?
1. keep in mind that Russia didn't order more than a hundred Su-35s between 2010 and 2020, so how many Su-57 could they possibly have in 2030? and 2. that Su-57 is Russia's F-22, not F-35, there were never any plans to procure more than 200-250 of them for the RuAF.
Russia will continue buying Su-34 , Su-35 and Su-30SM in the same rates that now (aproximately)
Russia will buy every year at least one squadron of Su-35 and Su-34 until Su-27 and SU-24 are totally replaced.
In the case of Su-30SM about 20 airplanes/year for VVS and Navy
For 2020 the most of soviet not-modernized combat airplanes shuold be replaced (Su-27, Mig-29,Su-24) or modernized (MiG-31 , Su-25)
Only a few MiG-29 (mainly two seaters of instruction units) and the Su-24MR will continue in service after 2020 , waiting for replacement of MiG-35 and Su-34M
The Su-57 Project is still green. For 2020 only 12 airplanes and after that low rates of purchases, not more of 8-10 per year for at least ane dozen of years
In adition Rusia cannot buy all the airplanes they need in 10 years. The VVS rearming is a long-term planning of at least 20 years
Su-57 is not a priority rigth now, but it is a neccesary step for 6º generation. I dont think that finally Russia will purchase more of 4 or 5 regiments
You ony have to think that USA has 160 really full-equiped F-22
Until the end of the year, the Ministry of Defense will purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters
This will be one of the largest contracts of the Ministry of Defense in 2018
At the end of 2018, the Russian Defense Ministry may purchase, in the framework of a three-year contract, at least 36 Su-30SM multifunctional fighters for the Aerospace and Aviation of the Navy produced by the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (IAZ, which is a part of the Irkut-based United Aircraft Corporation "), An interlocutor in the aircraft industry told Vedomosti and was confirmed by a man close to the Defense Ministry. According to him, the contract value will be about 70 billion rubles. On Tuesday, in an interview with Vedomosti, UAC President Yury Slyusar said that the contract for fighter of this type planned for signing in 2018 "will ensure the loading of the IAZ in the coming years at the level of 12-14 cars per year". In addition, according to Slyusar, the Su-30 is good.
In total, since 2012, the Ministry of Defense has contracted 116 Su-30SM fighters based on the Su-30MKI fighter developed for India. 88 vehicles were ordered for VKS and 28 for naval aviation of the Navy, and their deliveries under existing contracts would be completed in 2018. In addition to India, such vehicles were also exported to Malaysia, Algeria, Kazakhstan, and in the future, these aircraft can be delivered to Myanmar and Belarus.
miketheterrible wrote:seems your post is jumping here there and everywhere.
Anyway, what is your prediction now regarding the airforce fleet/numbers? This recent order is rather very small compared to last one.
miketheterrible wrote:seems your post is jumping here there and everywhere.
Anyway, what is your prediction now regarding the airforce fleet/numbers? This recent order is rather very small compared to last one.
Good question, I am also interested on thatmiketheterrible wrote:By 2025, how do you see complete composition of Russias airforce in terms of fighters/interceptors/non strategic bombers?
LMFS wrote:Good question, I am also interested on thatmiketheterrible wrote:By 2025, how do you see complete composition of Russias airforce in terms of fighters/interceptors/non strategic bombers?
Found the following related to GPV 2027, maybe the knowledgeable guys here can comment on it:
https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2018/01/24/russian-air-force-procurement-plans-2/
Much of this procurement reflects the need to replace aging Soviet aircraft with new airframes with modern electronics and weapon systems. Nevertheless, many Soviet-era airframes remain in service. These include approximately 100 Su-27 and Su-27SM and approximately 150-170 MiG-29S fighter aircraft, approximately 150 MiG-31 interceptors, and over 200 each of the Su-24 bomber and Su-25 strike aircraft.
Hole wrote:The plant producing the Su-30SM will switch to civil production (MS-21), but the plant producing the Su-30M2 (KnAAPO) is also producing the Su-35, so something like an Su-35UB (an Su-30 with the electronics of the Su-35) could be built after the Su-30SM production is finished.
AMCXXL wrote:Hole wrote:The plant producing the Su-30SM will switch to civil production (MS-21), but the plant producing the Su-30M2 (KnAAPO) is also producing the Su-35, so something like an Su-35UB (an Su-30 with the electronics of the Su-35) could be built after the Su-30SM production is finished.
KnAAPO ends the production of Su-30M2/MK2 at the end of 2015 and the last two Su-30M2 was delivered in february 2016
KnAAPO will produce only Su-35 and small ammount of Su-57, since also produce civil aircrafts
"Su-35UB" is not neceaary since Su-30Sm is also a flanker and is good enoung as two seater for any Flanker
IAPO will produce as many Su-30SM as necesary, however in Russia the aircrafts designed by design bureaus can be manofactured in any factory that is necessary
franco wrote:AMCXXL wrote:Hole wrote:The plant producing the Su-30SM will switch to civil production (MS-21), but the plant producing the Su-30M2 (KnAAPO) is also producing the Su-35, so something like an Su-35UB (an Su-30 with the electronics of the Su-35) could be built after the Su-30SM production is finished.
KnAAPO ends the production of Su-30M2/MK2 at the end of 2015 and the last two Su-30M2 was delivered in february 2016
KnAAPO will produce only Su-35 and small ammount of Su-57, since also produce civil aircrafts
"Su-35UB" is not neceaary since Su-30Sm is also a flanker and is good enoung as two seater for any Flanker
IAPO will produce as many Su-30SM as necesary, however in Russia the aircrafts designed by design bureaus can be manofactured in any factory that is necessary
Read an article in the past week in which the IAPO Director said;
1. would be signing a new contract for additional Su-30SM to the Russian Air Force shortly
2. there was also considerable foreign interest in the aircraft and they would continue producing at 12+ per year
AMCXXL wrote:LMFS wrote:Good question, I am also interested on thatmiketheterrible wrote:By 2025, how do you see complete composition of Russias airforce in terms of fighters/interceptors/non strategic bombers?
Found the following related to GPV 2027, maybe the knowledgeable guys here can comment on it:
https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2018/01/24/russian-air-force-procurement-plans-2/
Much of this procurement reflects the need to replace aging Soviet aircraft with new airframes with modern electronics and weapon systems. Nevertheless, many Soviet-era airframes remain in service. These include approximately 100 Su-27 and Su-27SM and approximately 150-170 MiG-29S fighter aircraft, approximately 150 MiG-31 interceptors, and over 200 each of the Su-24 bomber and Su-25 strike aircraft.
This is not realistic because forgets the new aircraft replaces older ones
Putin himself said clearly about the Air Force: "first replace, then slight increase"
My point of view is to continue receiving about one squadron per year of each Su-35 , Su-30 and Su-34 , replacing all soviet made Su-27/24 and the most of MiG-29´s
MiG-31BM near to end the modernization, perhaps also two or tree squadrons more of MiG-31K
In the next years, also complete the modernization all fleet of Su-25´s
Then by 2025 Will have 12 squadrons of Su-35 and 2 of Su-27SM3,
The Su-27SM will be removed between 2021 and 2025, since they were modernized between 2004 and 2009 and were manufactured between 1988 and 1990
After that ,Su-27SM3 will be replaced in next years by more Su-35, at the end, modernized Su-27SM3 are of 1991-92 and the dozen Su-27SM3 "Chinese stock" would be relocated or discarded as the "Algerian" Su-29SMT´s
So in 2025 will have about 165 Su-25 and 24 Su-27SM3, and after 2027 about 190 Su-35 in total.
The numbers of Su-30SM will reach 200 , near 120 in VKS and at least 80 in the Navy.
Also 20 Su-20M2 , probably will end in training units
And the arround remaining 70 soviet made MiG-29s (half of them UB´s) , could be replaced by MiG-35 in the better case.
Still is not clear the destination of the MiG-29SMT from Kursk
Also 130 MiG-31BM and 24-36 MiG-31K
By 2025 all fleet of Su-24 will have been retired, and will have about 200 Su-34
And also about 180-200 Su-25´s
miketheterrible wrote:
Strange since Russia stated that they need 700 fighters, that isn't including Su-34's because those aren't necessarily fighters. What you listed is less than 500 fighters.
Seems they will have a major stunted airforce till then?
LMFS wrote:I thought the plans where to reactivate some more air bases and create more squadrons. If you look the situation today in the Central and East districts is like you have 30 planes for a territory of 1000 km diameter, with luck. More MiG-31s are needed IMHO, even considering AD and all the relocation possibilities. Central Asia, Artic and Far East are far from being safe in case of conflict.
LMFS wrote:Thanks miketheterrible and franco for the info
Those forward deployment bases, were they fully fledged ones in Soviet times?