Project 885: Yasen class

Some of these Russian mil news translations are awesome lol.

Austin wrote:As thumb rule Pumpjet is less noisy at high speed , Prop is less noisy at low speed

its quiter then the propeller at the designed speed ,due to constant diamether of the shroud ,the noise gets louder when the speed gets higher ,also if the speed is lower then design sound starts to equalise to the sound of the propeller at low speeds.

Rogozin confirmed that lead submarine project "Ash" assigned to Fleet
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131231/987468326.html

Confirmed: headache yesterday submarine project" Ash "transferred to the Navy in trial operation <...> Congratulations shipbuilders" - Rogozin wrote Tuesday in his microblog on Twitter.

"This armed" to the teeth "one boat can destroy the enemy fleet or aircraft carrier to its knees major aggressor," - said vice-premier.

Since Yasen can carry 32 Onyx , how many Kalbir can they carry in total ?

Also compared to Akula 40 Torpedoes , Yasen can carry 30 of them.

If it can carry 32 ONYX, then it has 4 UKSK bins and could carry 32 Kalibr, or Klub, or Brahmos.

Since Onyx is a 650 mm caliber weapon compared to kalbir 533 mm , I am sure it can carry more of Calbir.

Russia Develops High-Tech 'Beast From Beneath'

This article is bad! But with Cirkon-S on Yasen-M, besides Onyx and Kalibr, the russian SSNs will have an advantage.

Since Yasen can carry 32 Onyx , how many Kalbir can they carry in total ?

Also compared to Akula 40 Torpedoes , Yasen can carry 30 of them.

Since Onyx is a 650 mm caliber weapon compared to kalbir 533 mm , I am sure it can carry more of Calbir.

Yasen or Graney carries its missiles in the submarine version of the UKSK vertical launcher. Each system has 8 tubes and on that video in that article it said there were 24 Onyx missiles in three UKSK launchers ( 3 x 8 = 24).

Being universal launchers if they wanted to fit Brahmos or Kalibr then calibre is not important... there are 24 launch tubes so it can carry 24 missiles.

This article is bad!

Agreed... those evil Russians trying to dominate the world with a huge naval fleet like the Soviets did... hang on... the French did that, and the UK did that and now the US does that... but when did the Soviets ever do that?

32 Onixes actually, it was confirmed recently.

Yasen - 32 missiles of all class in its UKSK

Which makes sense... if you can fit three UKSK launch bins in the sub there is probably space for a 4th... likely along the sides of the vessel between the inner and outer hull like on the Oscars.

This of course means 32 Kalibr/Klub/Brahmos/Onyx/SS-N-16M or any combination.

Wiki Says.. 32 Kalibrs for export version and 40 for domestic version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasen-class_submarine

32 (8x4) VLS Kalibr Cruise Missiles.

or

40 (8x5) VLS Russian domestic versions of the export 3M-54 Klub Anti Ship, Anti Submarine and Land Attack Submarine Launched Variants.  

Apparently the domestic -Russian only version of Kalibrs are even smaller than the export version
and Yasen could carry 40 of them. Or maybe is the Yasen-M version the one that carry more. This could be possible
second version of the Borey Subs also carry more space for Bulavas than first one.

Kalibr IS the domestic version of Klub, so if it says 32 Kalibr missiles then that is the capacity.

There is no export Yasen so there wont be a domestic Yasen and an export Yasen.

ie Domestic = export
Kalibr = Klub
Onyx = Yakhont or Brahmos

GarryB wrote:Kalibr IS the domestic version of Klub, so if it says 32 Kalibr missiles then that is the capacity.

There is no export Yasen so there wont be a domestic Yasen and an export Yasen.

ie Domestic = export
  Kalibr = Klub
  Onyx  = Yakhont or Brahmos

Mmm no.. thats not what it said.. Read again..

40 (8x5) VLS Russian domestic versions  ..OF... the export 3M-54 Klub .. Anti Ship, Anti Submarine ..Land Attack Sub.. Launched Variants.  

40 Kalibrs says there.   but was written this way.. 40 domestic version.. of the [3M-54 Klub].. so there is no contradiction here..
the domestic version OF  Klub /CLub is Kalibr.  The domestic version of Yakhont is Oniks and so on..

So Looks like who wrote the information .. was lazy and typed Kalibr for the 32x version too..  karlibr and Klub are used a lot on internet articles about 3m-54 regardless if they Export or not...... still he was very precise to say ...40 Russian Domestic Version of Klub.  

So there you go.. is not 24... neither 32.. but 40 Kalibr missiles.  according to wikipedia. Interestingly they info suggest can carry 32x missiles of the Export version. and 40x of the domestic one..  my best guess is that the domestic version have a smaller size.. Or maybe
had to do with the second Yasen submarine that have more space.. just like Boreis second version.   


And never said there was an export version of Yasen..    i know Russia dont export nuclear submarines to anyone. But there are different version of Yasen class subs. The first one sub of the project is called project 885 Severodvinsk ,and have some technology that is from previous subs..according to wiki. the second Submarines of that Yasen class Kazan ,Novosibirsk and future Submarines of  Yasen class.. are called 885-M  because everything in the submarine is totally new. Why is much more expensive that Severodvisk.
i called the submarine Yasen-M.. Which is not incorrect ..because Yasen = Project 885.   You can see that info here.. under
{UNITS}  885 , and 885-M.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasen-class_submarine

Second version of Yasen class.. have new technology that didn't made it into the first one.. and possibly bigger space ..   This already happened in the Borei class.. the second version  of 955  is  955-A  and improved version of Borei.. than instead of 16x Bulavas missiles..  carry 20x.  So far looks like this is a practice of the RUssia navy.. to improve their submarines with their second version with newer technology and improved performance and mass produce that one..

That's balony.

There are 32 tubes. 32 Kalibrs. No more, no less.

Domestic Kalibr is no wider than export Klub.

But 4 UKSK bins are confirmed, not 5.

If there are only 4 launch bins with 8 tubes each then it has to be able to carry 32 missiles whether the missiles are domestic or export they are the same size and go into the same tubes.

It is certainly possible that later models might add another launcher bin, but there is no way to tell for sure one way or the other.

Actually the Russians leased a Charlie class sub to India, and currently leases an Akula class sub to India too.

GarryB wrote:

But 4 UKSK bins are confirmed, not 5.

I.

Possibly that had to do with the fact that only Severodvinsk passed the trials..  and Kazan the second version will not be tested until
2016 or 2017.. Its worth to notice that every info of Kazan says is nearly twice expensive of the first Yasen class and much more complex to build with totally new never used technology. Make sense to not take a lot of risk in the First submarine and IF  ,the submarine pass the trials easily.. then Improve with more weapons..  The risk of having extra Tubes and more weight with more open spaces inside the sub for armament  is that the submarines could lose performance on its hull and motion ,in speed and test depth. So don't be surprised if future Yasen subs like Kazan have 40x Kalibrs..  Already the second version  955-A is expected to carry 20x bulavas missiles.. and not 16x. like the first version.  


Already this Improvement in weapon capabilities have been confirmed with the second version of Borei 955-A


http://flotprom.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=106382

I would stay a little bit cautious and would say 3 Onyx or 4 Kalibr per tube.

If they can accomodate 4 Onyx or 5 Kalibr per tube, then it's great!

GJ Flanker wrote:I would stay a little bit cautious and would say 3 Onyx or 4 Kalibr per tube.

If they can accomodate 4 Onyx or 5 Kalibr per tube, then it's great!  

I think Yasen has 4 Onix or 4 Kalibr or 4 whatever .... x 8 VLS UKSK (in two rows) = 32 missiles in VLS launchers

Indeed:

Already the second version 955-A is expected to carry 20x bulavas missiles.. and not 16x. like the first version.

Very unlikely. Current strategic arms agreements limit Russia and the US to between 1200 and 1500 warheads each... which means between 400 and 500 warheads in submarines.

Bulava is rated to carry 6 warheads but able to carry 10, so with 8 Boreis with 20 launch tubes each that means a max of 20 x 10 x 8 = 1600 and a minimum of 16 x 6 x 8 = 768.

Now with 16 launch tubes arming the missiles with the standard 6 warheads each it means the sub fleet is carrying more than half the number of warheads Russia is allowed to carry... I think if you use 12 tubes with 6 warheads as standard with 8 boats you get 576 which is a sensible figure and also the most likely choice of the Russian Navy.

The Yasen-Ms might have 5 UKSK launchers but I will believe it when I see it from an official source.

I would stay a little bit cautious and would say 3 Onyx or 4 Kalibr per tube.

If they can accomodate 4 Onyx or 5 Kalibr per tube, then it's great!

No. You are thinking of the Redut SAM system with the huge S-300 SAMs and slim new S-400 9M96 SAMs... or perhaps the fitting of the long slim Onyx into the fat Granit tubes of the Oscars.

The UKSK launch bins are designed for the long slim Onyx/Brahmos/Yakhont and Kalibr and Klub family. One missile one tube. Four launch bins with 8 tubes per bin means 32 tubes and 32 missiles.

I think Yasen has 4 Onix or 4 Kalibr or 4 whatever .... x 8 VLS UKSK (in two rows) = 32 missiles in VLS launchers

No, UKSK is an 8 tube system and Yasen has 4 UKSK launchers which = 32 tubes.

Granit tubes in the Oscar class are bigger and can take three Oniks missiles per tube, so the 24 tubes for 24 huge 7 ton Granit missiles allows a single Oscar class sub to carry 72 Onyx missiles (or conversely 72 Brahmos missiles if they want to).

Indeed:

Arghhh... TR-1 that image clearly has Vityaz in the top corner of the video... this is a four tube adapter for a SAM and would not go anywhere near a Yasen class sub.

It would be used at sea to adapt a single Redut (Rif-M) tube to carry four 9M96 Vityaz SAMs.

Not at all Garry, that program was about the Vityaz, but the screenshot was made because someone spotted the submarine tubes in production @ the same factory.

There is no land based SAM to date that uses that sort of 4 tube launcher assembly.