Syrian Civil War: News #6

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Cyrus the great wrote:Ultron and Monarchist

You're being incredibly melodramatic.  Politics is deception and you shouldn't take anything at face value.  This is not a ceasefire,  this is a cessation of hostilies -- a term that is a little more nebulous,  so don't expect anything concrete to come out of this. These Islamists chimps are not exactly rational and so I expect them to try to claw back lost territory and momentum -- at which point the Russians and the Syrians could say that they tried to approach this diplomatically and that all diplomatic efforts have been exhausted,  giving the Russians carte blanche to destroy these animals.

That´s the  ideal situation besides if you check couple of posts before,  this does not refer to islamic terrorists. Is there any list made? an dstill one week left...

I do not believe in any rules in West, besides one rule, rule of force. West has been trying to force Russia to submit for long time. and I guess Russian Leadership knows it by orders or magnitude better then anyone here does. We also do not know options and with objectives just guessing.

SO you are correct no need to dramatize, yet

With the exception of the Kurds and some misguided Christian militias,  all the opposition groups are Islamist terrorists;  they all want to 'govern' Syria using primitive and retrogressive 7th century moral precepts -- shariah...but the self-serving western definition of terrorist only includes Al Qaeda (Al Nusra)  and Daesh -- groups that are ostensibly hostile to the west and so they can't be presented as merely harmless Middle-Eastern hippies  

This cessation of hostilities will apparently apply on all the groups except for Al Nusra and Daesh. Russia should  insist on the cessation of hostilities covering only those groups that uncategorically reject Shariah and fully embrace secularism - meaning none of them. There are strategists that advice Putin on this sort of thing,  and I'm confident that they know what they're doing.

PS:  That picture of Erdogan makes me think that his parents might be cousins,  which is probably why he is so crazy.  When I was studying,  a Turkish student revealed to the class that he was getting married and so naturally people congragulated him and asked who the girl was…  and he said that it was his cousin.  The class fell silent,  allowing each person to feel thoroughly disgusted,  confused and internally questioning why anybody would marry their cousin.

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Cyrus the great wrote:
PS:  That picture of Erdogan makes me think that his parents might be cousins,  which is probably why he is so crazy.  When I was studying,  a Turkish student revealed to the class that he was getting married and so naturally people congragulated him and asked who the girl was…  and he said that it was his cousin.  The class fell silent,  allowing each person to feel thoroughly disgusted,  confused and internally questioning why anybody would marry their cousin.

In selective breeding, plants and animals, cousins are often cross bread for some attribute, it amplifies desired and undesired traits.

Erk wrote:

Cyrus the great wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Cyrus the great wrote:
PS:  That picture of Erdogan makes me think that his parents might be cousins,  which is probably why he is so crazy.  When I was studying,  a Turkish student revealed to the class that he was getting married and so naturally people congragulated him and asked who the girl was…  and he said that it was his cousin.  The class fell silent,  allowing each person to feel thoroughly disgusted,  confused and internally questioning why anybody would marry their cousin.

In selective breeding, plants and animals, cousins are often cross bread for some attribute, it amplifies desired and undesired traits.

Whatever the underpinnings that permitted this practice are, people need to dismiss them. It's bloody disgusting. The only positive is that you don't have to deal with an entirely new family -- no in-laws.

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:Ceasefire in all of Syria begins in 1 week as agreed upon by Russia and the US. The war is over.

Yes, glorious Putin administration kind of diplomacy. Basically forcing Syria to apply and admitting itself defeated, basically small capitulation.
What strategic objectives have been accomplished? Nothing, even all of Latakia province is not liberated.
I bet US should of thought about ceasefires when they defeated Ghadaffi or Saddam. Russia under Putin is nothing that even resembles as great power or something that should be taken seriously, Ukraine and Syria are great proof of that.
I can't believe Assad and Iran accepted this. The turkish border is still open and new supplies and fighters will arrive.

So you've been here all this time reading all this? Sucks to be you.

Please post some more, I so enjoy your tears.




Meanwhile in the real world:

Radicalize This: Syrian Army, Russian Warplanes Hit Militants in Hama Prov.

The Syrian Army and the country's National Defense Forces reportedly managed to take full control of a strategic hill in the central province of Hama, killing dozens of terrorists.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160212/1034620418/syria-army-militants.html

A strategic hill in northeast Hama Province in central Syria has been retaken by the Syrian Army and the country's National Defense Forces (NDF) after heavy fighting with Daesh terrorists, media reports said.

Scores of terrorists were killed and many more wounded when Syrian troops captured Abu Zain Hill No.1, located in the eastern part of the town of Ithriyah, according to the Iranian news agency FARS.

In another development, the Syrian Army and the NDF attacked militants' defenses near the town of Hirbnafsa and village of Um Towaini in southwestern Hama Province, in fighting that left many of the fighters dead or wounded.

Meanwhile, a military source said that in the past 24 hours the Syrian forces have killed at least 23 militants during an offensive on terrorist strongholds in three villages on the border between Idlib and Hama provinces.

According to the source, the government troops destroyed several enemy fortifications, while the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force pounded terrorist targets in the area.

Syria has been mired in a civil war since 2011, with government forces loyal to President Bashar Assad fighting opposition factions and extremist groups, such as Daesh (ISIL/ISIS), which is banned in a range of countries, including Russia.

Russia's ongoing air campaign in Syria was launched on September 30, when more than fifty Russian warplanes, including Su-24M, Su-25 and Su-34 jets, commenced precision airstrikes on Daesh and Al-Nusra Front targets in Syria at the behest of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed earlier this month that advanced, super-maneuverable Su-35S multi-role fighters had begun their combat mission in Syria.

Sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and unicorns...

Syria ceasefire deal doesn't stop Russia’s air task force operation — official

The ceasefire accords of the International Syria Support Group relate to the conflict between the Syrian government and opposition rather than the struggle against terrorists

MOSCOW, February 12. /TASS/. Russia will continue its anti-terror operation in Syria despite the ceasefire accords of the International Syria Support Group as they relate to the conflict between the Syrian government and opposition rather than the struggle against terrorists, a Russian senator said on Friday.

Vladimir Dzhabarov, first deputy chairman of the committee for international affairs at the Federation Council, the upper house of Russia’s parliament, thus commented on the ceasefire agreement reached at a meeting of the International Syria Support Group in Munich.

"Despite these accords, Russia will continue its counter-terror operation of the air task force because the places of the location of militants from the IS [the Islamic State terrorist organization outlawed in Russia] and the routes of their supply with ammunition, cargoes and manpower are well-known," the senator said.

"As far as I understand, these accords relate only to the warring groupings in Syria but do not relate to terrorists who are staying on the territory of Syria and partially on the territory of Iraq," he added.

"We’re working at the request of the Syrian president and are struggling against the terrorists who represent the IS on the territory of Syria," the parliamentarian said.

The Russian senator praised the ceasefire accords reached in Munich.

"The ceasefire between the warring groupings in Syria will always be welcomed because innocent people are dying and the situation in the country is being destabilized," he noted.

The senator said, however, that the prospect of the truce observance "does not inspire much optimism."

"There are too many groupings, which position themselves as anti-governmental and anti-Assad forces, on the one hand, and some of them are of clearly terrorist nature, on the other hand," Dzhabarov said.

The senator said he was confident that it was necessary to clearly separate opposition forces in Syria from terrorist groupings.

"This should be agreed by the leading world powers, which are fighting against the IS," the senator said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said earlier on Friday the Munich meeting of the International Syria Support Group had agreed that "the working group co-chaired by Russia and the United States will work out the modalities of the ceasefire in Syria over a week."

Also, "this group’s mandate includes determining the areas, which are under terrorists’ control," the minister said.

According to US Secretary of State John Kerry, all the group’s participants expressed their readiness to work with Russia in a way, which covered the political, humanitarian and military aspects of the problem.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/politics/856244

IMPORTANT

A short while ago there was an appalling video of groups of SAA soldiers being mown down by takfiris as they were running unarmed across open ground. Ziad Fadel has the full story. It was a predetermined massacre. Around 100 prisoners were told to run the gauntlet in groups of 20. Those that reached the end unharmed were told they would be set free. The few that did were executed by headshot.

http://syrianperspective.com/2016/02/massacre-saudi-american-supported-moderate-cannibals-massacre-captives-in-terrifying-video.html

The Suadi invasion of Syria has begun. Forces filmed crossing the border.

https://www.facebook.com/electronicresistanceteam/videos/1113659885343481/

kvs wrote:So Russian officials already have to justify their actions.  Of course their explanations will not be covered by the NATO MSM and
instead all we will hear is how Russia is bombing the children in "violation" of the some fictional interpretation of the ceasefire condition
terms.   Russia and Putin need to learn about the KISS principle.   The average sheep in NATO and around the world cannot exert the
intellectual effort to research news stories.   They will swallow whatever is dished out to them.  

So the correct approach would be for Russia to make a stink about ceasefire terms pertaining to real moderates.  Then
that would become an item registering in the brains of the media consumers.   Russia should have forced NATO to make concessions
on this point in full public view.   Then NATO would have no propaganda leverage.

Do you honestly think that VKS will just pack their shit and leave? Or that "moderates" will avoid being exterminated? Or that NATO bitching about children will have any effect?

They already made it clear as day that "cessation of hostilities" (NOTE: NOT CEASEFIRE) does not apply to VKS. Just for groups who are not on Russia's shit-list. A little opportunity to save their skins and SAA to make some easy gains.

SAA clears Aleppo, Kurds plug Azzaz, VKS keeps killing the scum. And Kerry gets to be the "peacemaker".

Jesus, some people....

And before 2 recently reemerged retards get oral diarrhea again:

'Cessation of hostilities' in Syria lets Russia keep bombing

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-agreement-idUSKCN0VK2NT

kvs wrote:So Russian officials already have to justify their actions.  Of course their explanations will not be covered by the NATO MSM and
instead all we will hear is how Russia is bombing the children in "violation" of the some fictional interpretation of the ceasefire condition
terms.   Russia and Putin need to learn about the KISS principle.   The average sheep in NATO and around the world cannot exert the
intellectual effort to research news stories.   They will swallow whatever is dished out to them.  

So the correct approach would be for Russia to make a stink about ceasefire terms pertaining to real moderates.  Then
that would become an item registering in the brains of the media consumers.   Russia should have forced NATO to make concessions
on this point in full public view.   Then NATO would have no propaganda leverage.

This apparent cessation of hostilities carries very little weight; the Russians have made it clear that they will continue to target all groups aligned or associated with Al Qaeda and Daesh… which extends to the so called FSA. Expect the Russians to use this brief respite to re-evaluate their intelligence assessments, choices, strategies and tactics and to re-stock their weapons and resources. This is not a ceasefire and there will be no ceasefire.

I was angry that Putin didn't immediately prevent the western compliant criminals in Kiev from taking power.

Cyrus the great wrote:

kvs wrote:So Russian officials already have to justify their actions.  Of course their explanations will not be covered by the NATO MSM and
instead all we will hear is how Russia is bombing the children in "violation" of the some fictional interpretation of the ceasefire condition
terms.   Russia and Putin need to learn about the KISS principle.   The average sheep in NATO and around the world cannot exert the
intellectual effort to research news stories.   They will swallow whatever is dished out to them.  

So the correct approach would be for Russia to make a stink about ceasefire terms pertaining to real moderates.  Then
that would become an item registering in the brains of the media consumers.   Russia should have forced NATO to make concessions
on this point in full public view.   Then NATO would have no propaganda leverage.

This apparent cessation of hostilities carries very little weight;  the Russians have made it clear that they will continue to target all groups aligned or associated with Al Qaeda and Daesh… which extends to the so called FSA. Expect the Russians to use this brief respite to re-evaluate their intelligence assessments,  choices,  strategies and tactics and to re-stock their weapons and resources.  This is not a ceasefire and there will be no ceasefire.  

I was angry that Putin didn't immediately prevent the western compliant criminals in Kiev from taking power.  

This is what I also think is going on and to add to the list, I think this is just US and Russia avoiding direct confrontation, the tensions will be less but everything else will go on.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Numerous issues arise with large scale airborne operations - the troops need to carry light equipment, resupplying them is problematic and on the top of that, they tend to be scattered over a large area upon landing.

Large scale airborne operations were abandoned after WW2. Helicopter is so much better way to get troops behind enemy lines.

Light equipment: rebels and IS are also lightly armed. The occasional T-55 can be dealt with some russian supplied semi modern ATGMs
Ressuplying.: Russia has Il-76s and can send some An-12s and An-32s. Also syria has Mi-8s. Check.
Scattering: Not a problem since rebels and IS are generally incompetent in reconnaissance and lack mobility themselves. SAA theoretical paratroopers would have enough time to regroup.
Helicopters: SAA and Russia have loads of them. check.

If the SAA could muster enough men, an airdrop offensive is perfectly feasible and a tactically legitimate decision.

There is no moderate FSA and FSA never operates independently. They are always embedded with Nusra Ahrar Zinka. FSA will continue to be targeted and destroyed.

Zakharova on the conditions of the opposition for peace in Syria: don't envy the state Department

MOSCOW, 12 Feb – RIA Novosti. Official representative of Russian foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova criticized the truce in Syria that was put forward by the representative of the Higher Committee on negotiations (MIC) Riyad yeah after the Munich agreements were reached on a ceasefire.
"Well, now, begins. <...> Today relaxed the representative of the Higher Committee on negotiations Riyad Agha had said it would accept a truce in Syria only if the termination of actions VKS RF, otherwise it is unacceptable. <...> Now I don't envy the state Department – yesterday they really tried very hard," wrote Zakharova on his page in Facebook.
Earlier in the Munich agreements were reached on a ceasefire in Syria. The outcome of the meeting was the decision on the delivery of humanitarian goods, also stipulated terms for a ceasefire in the Arab Republic, these issues must be resolved within a week.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20160212/1373492678.html#ixzz3zyF8UCbv


interesting isn´t it? BTW VKS will bomb Saudis and Turks if they cross the border? or just protect SAA so SAA can kick their asses ?


Syrian T-72

Saudi Arabia says the objective is to kill Assad, not to fight ISIS. They will invade Daraa and march on Damascus.

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/698175344696627200

ultron wrote:Saudi Arabia says the objective is to kill Assad, not to fight ISIS. They will invade Daraa and march on Damascus.

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/698175344696627200

The only one's that can stop it are the iranians, I hope they bring thousands of IRGC, Basij and shias from Iraq if they invade. Russia can't be counted on, they wont go to war with Saudis..

Assad says he won't stop until all of Syria's sovereign land is recovered from terrorists.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35561845

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:Saudi Arabia says the objective is to kill Assad, not to fight ISIS. They will invade Daraa and march on Damascus.

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/698175344696627200

The only one's that can stop it are the iranians, I hope they bring thousands of IRGC, Basij and shias from Iraq if they invade. Russia can't be counted on, they wont go to war with Saudis..

Today this happens to Syria. If Putin is soft, tomorrow it will happen to Russia. What will Putin do if a multi national alliance invades Russia and march on Moscow? Will the Russian people lay over and become slaves and have their country conquered? Stalin fought back against Hitler that's why the USSR survived. If Putin allows international law to be trumpled, then he will lose the election. Bush was right in that he upheld international law when Saddam invaded and annexed Kuwait by launching Operation Desert Storm.

Abit in German on Bil/Jihadi Julian propaganda:

http://www.neopresse.com/medien/julian-roepcke-und-bild-wieder-bei-uebler-propaganda-erwischt/

"Translated": https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neopresse.com%2Fmedien%2Fjulian-roepcke-und-bild-wieder-bei-uebler-propaganda-erwischt%2F&edit-text=

^^' Don't panic, guys. Rif Daraa and RIf Dimashq is where ~40% of SAA is stationed, together with Pantsirs, Buk-M2s etc.

I expect nothing short of mopping the floor with the Saudi army.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Numerous issues arise with large scale airborne operations - the troops need to carry light equipment, resupplying them is problematic and on the top of that, they tend to be scattered over a large area upon landing.

Large scale airborne operations were abandoned after WW2. Helicopter is so much better way to get troops behind enemy lines.

Light equipment: rebels and IS are also lightly armed. The occasional T-55 can be dealt with some russian supplied semi modern ATGMs
Ressuplying.: Russia has Il-76s and can send some An-12s and An-32s. Also syria has Mi-8s. Check.
Scattering: Not a problem since rebels and IS are generally incompetent in reconnaissance and lack mobility themselves. SAA theoretical paratroopers would have enough time to regroup.
Helicopters: SAA and Russia have loads of them. check.

If the SAA could muster enough men, an airdrop offensive is perfectly feasible and a tactically legitimate decision.

Nope, not as simple as that at all, this is nothing akin to Operation Serval, when already DeZor is keeping busy all related assets. No reason to create a new Dien Bien phu when already there's an existing one. Plus in Hasaka you have SAA/NDF enclaves that require daily flights (and their posture is temporarily peaceful towards YPG/SDF) and who knows if Fua-Kafraya will need airdrops in future. Also, air assets are used to keep Shayrat Hinds active and advisers flowing between Latakia and elsewhere (Damascus, Qamilsi, Dez, etc). So I'm pretty sure there are no assets with properly trained crews in Syria or Russia itself to spare for a potential Market Garden, when they need to keep a certain pool active on-demand for VDV. Same goes for Iran.

PS. An-32?