Syrian Civil War: News #6

JohninMK wrote:A Grad launch from beside and above

https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/700252991098589184

Excellent! All we need now is for someone to strap a wifi-enabled gopro to the front of a grad rocket.

US Air Force Central Command commander Lt Gen Charles Brown confirms that US has told Russia where its special forces are located in Syria.

http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/18-february-us-air-force-central-command-commander-lt-gen

So now they should be kindly to relocate to safe places in order not to be bombed by Syrian AF





S-60 pickup infantry direct support in Latakia

AlfaT8 wrote:Here's a recent interview between RT's Oksana Boyko and Bassma Kodmani Executive Director of the Arab Reform Initiative.  

this institute has grants from Soros-Saudi funds? schools and civilians who cut heads and bomb civilians in Damaskus ?

Azaz need to liberated right away, I hope more territory along the border with Turkey is liberated, then if the Turks do something(invasion, no fly zone or any thing), then they can be hit.

This is totally stupid..
Churkin the ambassador to UN ,falled close to comdening Assad for saying
there will be no cease of fire. It was Russia that created the first cease of fire that was a total failure . You need to be be on syrian government shoes to judge them..

What will the soviets have done ,if they were requested to declare a cease of fire ,when Nazis
had a million of soldiers on its land with tanks ..and already millions of Russians killed? Will the Russians agreed to a cease of fire to allow their enemies to get reinforcements .?

I dont think so..

This Churkin is out of place in his latest comments about Assad.
He needs to be in the shoes of Syrian people that have been for near 5 years alone facing
terrorist and Russia did not helped them .

http://tass.ru/en/politics/857758

and only jumped to help after Syria lost Idlib and was close to dissapear.
Like strelkov told Russia waited to much to help their Syrian allies with military and their indecision cost too many lives. hopefully Putin will slap his face. for his comments on Assad.
is sending a message that Assad does not want the war to end.. and Churkin in wrong..
the solution to the Syrian conflict in military and not diplomatic. the west will not stop fighting
and the cease of fire are only to get more reinforcements.and reinforce their positions. This is exactly what they did in Ukraine.

New Peto Latakia map

Via Aldin

M Green ‏@MmaGreen 2h2 hours ago

SAA Khaibar-1 MLRS (100 km range)

Vann7 wrote:This is totally stupid..
Churkin the ambassador to UN ,falled close to comdening Assad for saying
there will be no cease of fire. It was Russia that created the first cease of fire that was a total failure . You need to be be on syrian government shoes to judge them..

.

Cool down mate, Churkin says nothing what was previously agreed with Putin. They are to choose best available option for Russia. They know what we don´t and in many cases never will. Same with Donbass. Strelkov is just officer not politcian and strategist so his comments can be say on our level. Armchair generals.

If you do not believe let me ask you what is your opinion what Russia shall do in Donbass ?

USA politely told Sultan to fu*k off

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/700387325780631552

Hm, Syrian Kurds are actually US allies, so Turk claiming, that Syrian Kurds are responsible for attack also put a finger on US to be responsible for attack. And considering that Turks are firing with artillery on US allies and send terrorists from Idlib region to north Allepo to fight with US allies is quite interesting situation, specially for US. I wander on which side will step Obama? On the side of Kurds or on the side of terrorists.

Looks like it has begun:

Dozens of Turkish military vehicles cross Syria border, dig trenches – report

magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like it has begun:

Turkish military vehicles advanced 200 meters into the Syrian Kurdish region in Aleppo province

Dozens of Turkish military vehicles cross Syria border, dig trenches – report

KiloGolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like it has begun:

Turkish military vehicles advanced 200 meters into the Syrian Kurdish region in Aleppo province

Dozens of Turkish military vehicles cross Syria border, dig trenches – report

The cowardly Turks are testing the waters...though knowing the Turdish mindset (and history) they'll probably foolishly occupy the territory...and the real question is when are the Turks not illegally occupying territories?

I wonder what will Turdogan do if the Russian MOD says they'll throw their full weight and logistical support for the Kurds against the Turdish invaders. I can see the hot-headed asshole Turdogan hastily proclaiming a blockade on the Bosporus straights, in which is a blatant act of Casus Belli which will mean Article 5 of NATO means f*ckall. I can definitely see a Greco-Russian pincer/cauldron (exploiting the main strategic weakness of NATO) on the Bosporus and Dardanelles and capturing the territory, and in exchange Russia aids Greece to capture Northern Cypress and those occupied islands. Cypriot Debaltsevo anyone...

This forum and cauldrons

Russia warns Assad not to take back the whole country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-envoy-idUSKCN0VR240

ultron wrote:Russia warns Assad not to take back the whole country.  

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-envoy-idUSKCN0VR240

This is exactly what i told..  

So much Blood in Syria and Russia pretty much is saying will not finish the job and will freeze
the conflict. Officially Russia is pushing for allowing most northern Syria to be occupied by Turkey and NATO ,and negotiate a stealth independence for the kurds. The only zone that will
not be given is latakia.. but right now the future of all Idlib and Northern Aleppo is in question .

So make no mistake ,the zones not liberated this year or until this summer will be annexed
officially by Turkey or Americans or kurds away from Syria.. and with Russia complicity.

Russia only interest in Syria is how to get away of the war without allowing Syria to be completely destroyed.Churkin even went as far as to remember Assad ,that the advances they had were thanks to them , in other words and indirect way that if Assad do not obey Russia they will stop helping them.

So effectively Russia agree with Merkel proposed Safe zone ,what Turkey was demanding from NATO. Just that only in land and not in air.  

Russia is expert in winning wars in combat ,but later losing them with diplomacy.
They got NOTHING for reparations of Germany attack in world war 2 , a piece of land in kaliningrad that is land locked and very difficult to defend. While Americans got permanently bases in All germany almost without fighting for it.  and look at the cuban missile crisis?
It made a deal ,that only allowed Russia to avoid confrontation with US ,but that killed Cuba
with an Embargo of 50 years. It lost Crimea in a terrible deal with Ukraine and US ,after it declared its independence, and now is paying a big price for not doing a better job in diplomacy and lost a lot of its business and warships. The only exception was Donetsk and lugansk..recent conflict that got a really good deal. But it was consequences of the same.. of unfinished business. Russia could have solved ukraine but overall , Russia is expert in unfinished wars ,unfinished business that they do with the intention to stop wars and the only thing they get is a temporary end of the fighting.  At any time Those unfinished conflicts that Russia do not fully solve ,will push Russia into fighting again later over the same conflict.  

Look at Moldova ,trasnistria issue ,americans can restart the war at  any time in those zones.. Look at the Georgia ,abkhazia issue.  Solving problems only using your interest in mind and not of the nation affected will not create ever peace. It seems Russia hopes ,that by giving most of northern Syria to NATO peace will return to Syria to the nation it was.. how wrong they are.
Look the palestinian conflict and is exactly the kind of scenarior we will see in Northern Syria.
With Turkey allowed to invade it and control it ,and repressing christians and Syrians that are pro Assad. officially Russia is ready to allow NATO take control over most northern part of Syria
in order to avoid a world war ,but how wrong they are to think ,this is going to ever give peace.
Turks and NATO will not end until all Syria is disbanded. and they will be the only ones to blame
for thinking it will bring peace to freeze a conflict.

Vann7 wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia warns Assad not to take back the whole country.  

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-envoy-idUSKCN0VR240

This is exactly what i told..  

So much Blood in Syria and Russia pretty much is saying will not finish the job and will freeze
the country. Officially Russia is pushing for allowing most northern Syria to be occupied by Turkey and NATO ,and negotiate and independence for the kurds.

So make no mistake ,the zones not liberated this year or until this summer will be annexed
officially by Turkey or Americans away from Syria.. and with Russia complicity.

Russia only interest is the war to stop and not that Syria recover all its territory.
Churkin even went as far as to remember Assad ,that the advances they had were thanks to
them , in other words and indirect way that if Assad do not obey Russia they will stop helping them.

So effectively Russia agree with Merkel proposed Safe zone ,what Turkey was demanding from NATO. Just that only in land and not in air.  

Russia is expert in winning wars in combat ,but later losing them with diplomacy.
They got NOTHING for reparations of Germany attack in world war 2 , a piece of land in kaliningrad that is land locked and very difficult to defend. While Americans got permanently bases in All germany almost without fighting for it.  and look at the cuban missile crisis?
It made a deal ,that only allowed Russia to avoid confrontation with US ,but that killed Cuba
with an Embargo of 50 years. It lost Crimea in a terrible deal with Ukraine after it declared its independence,and lost a lot of its business and warships. The only exception was Donetsk and lugansk..that got a really good deal. but overall , Russia is expert in unfinished wars ,unfinished business that they do with the intention to stop wars and the only thing they get is a temporary
end of the fighting.  At any time Those unfinished conflicts that Russia do not fully solve ,will push Russia into fighting again later over the same conflict.  

Look at Moldova ,trasnistria issue ,americans can restart the war at  any time. Look at the Georgia ,abkhazia issue.  Solving problems only using your interest in mind and not of the nation affected will not create ever peace. It seems Russia hopes ,that by giving most of northern Syria to NATO peace will return to Syria to the nation it was.. how wrong they war.
Look the palestinian conflict and is exactly the kind of scenarior we will see in Northern Syria.
With Turkey allowed to invade it and control it ,officially allowing to annex that part of land.

This is not up to Russia. Syria is a UN member. Even if Russia will not provide military aid, Iran will. Iran has 80 million people and they are hardcore Shia who are not afraid to fall in battle. Even if Russia stops aid to Syria, the war in Syria will not end because you cannot negotiate with jihadists. There are no moderate rebels in Syria. All of them are Qaeda types.

ultron wrote: This is not up to Russia. Syria is a UN member. Even if Russia will not provide military aid, Iran will. Iran has 80 million people and they are hardcore Shia who are not afraid to fall in battle. Even if Russia stops aid to Syria, the war in Syria will not end because you cannot negotiate with jihadists. There are no moderate rebels in Syria. All of them are Qaeda types.

Well Nobody says Russia lets Syria to be caliphate or leave Assad alone? So far negotiations will happen and nobody said all demands of Riyadh will be accepted? who said Turks,will stay in Kurdistan?

@Vann7

So far Russian diplomas are doing great job. Russian economy if not in best shape, most of rich countries under US influence is against Russia. So Russia needs to outsmart not go for confrontation. The only thing I am worried about is why Putin is letting liberasts take over finances/economy. what deal he has to honour? but this question is not for this forum

If the job is not finished in Syria, the day Russia is invaded would not be far. What would Putin do? Negotiate a ceasefire when a multi national alliance is at the doorstep of Moscow? I don't think a ceasefire would work out at that point

Considering the ceasefire agreement does not include IS, Nusra and their affiliates such as Ahrar and Jaysh al Islam, obviously there will be no ceasefire starting tomorrow.

ultron wrote:Considering the ceasefire agreement does not include IS, Nusra and their affiliates such as Ahrar and Jaysh al Islam, obviously there will be no ceasefire starting tomorrow.

US AF will not stop bombing BTW

ultron wrote:If the job is not finished in Syria, the day Russia is invaded would not be far. What would Putin do? Negotiate a ceasefire when a multi national alliance is at the doorstep of Moscow? I don't think a ceasefire would work out at that point

Did Russia say they return home? nope Churkin says we need ot negotiate. Who says negotiations will be just doing what Riyadh says? We need to wait before we can tll for sure.

Maybe Putin plays on split of Turkey without Russian war.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

ultron wrote:If the job is not finished in Syria, the day Russia is invaded would not be far. What would Putin do? Negotiate a ceasefire when a multi national alliance is at the doorstep of Moscow? I don't think a ceasefire would work out at that point

Did Russia say they return home? nope Churkin says we need ot negotiate. Who says negotiations will be just doing what Riyadh says? We need to wait before we can tll for sure.

Maybe Putin plays on split of Turkey without Russian war.

The negotiation will be between the Syrian government and moderates such as YPG, not with jihadists such as Ahrar. Jihadists will continue to be killed off.

ultron wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

ultron wrote:If the job is not finished in Syria, the day Russia is invaded would not be far. What would Putin do? Negotiate a ceasefire when a multi national alliance is at the doorstep of Moscow? I don't think a ceasefire would work out at that point

Did Russia say they return home? nope Churkin says we need ot negotiate. Who says negotiations will be just doing what Riyadh says? We need to wait before we can tll for sure.

Maybe Putin plays on split of Turkey without Russian war.

The negotiation will be between the Syrian government and moderates such as YPG, not with jihadists such as Ahrar. Jihadists will continue to be killed off.

I wonder how FSA and Trud-ky/Kurd situation develops?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

ultron wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

ultron wrote:If the job is not finished in Syria, the day Russia is invaded would not be far. What would Putin do? Negotiate a ceasefire when a multi national alliance is at the doorstep of Moscow? I don't think a ceasefire would work out at that point

Did Russia say they return home? nope Churkin says we need ot negotiate. Who says negotiations will be just doing what Riyadh says? We need to wait before we can tll for sure.

Maybe Putin plays on split of Turkey without Russian war.

The negotiation will be between the Syrian government and moderates such as YPG, not with jihadists such as Ahrar. Jihadists will continue to be killed off.

I wonder  how FSA and Trud-ky/Kurd situation develops?

Kurds are thrown under the bus. Kurds and FSA can kill each other off for all we care. Assad hates both of them.