Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?

-We finally got the ship to work properly, should we stop building them now altogether?

-Don't worry, we stopped building them years ago.

-Excellent!!!

LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?

LMFS wrote:


That sounds too familiar

But they are building 4 of them and should get another 4 right?

Militarov wrote:

LMFS wrote:
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But they are building 4 of them and should get another 4 right?

6 in total apparently. Original idea was at least 15 built but it didnt go..by the plan, to say at least.

PapaDragon wrote:

6? This is news to me. When did they add last two to the roster? Got source?

It's not much but still better than 4 I guess...

franco wrote:Would suspect unless the hulls are already laid that it will only be 4... why build regular when you can go SUPER

littlerabbit wrote:

franco wrote:Would suspect unless the hulls are already laid that it will only be 4... why build regular when you can go SUPER

I'm all for Super Gorshkov, they really need new destroyers...but, what about frigates then, they also need frigates badly, more than destroyers.

I think he means the two laid down in early 2018 with the hull numbers 925, 926.

Has for frigates well if you build enough DD's you don't really need frigates

Noted to be well along in construction as of early 2018 (May be a Project 22350M vessel.)

OK, I looked up those extra two Gorshkovs and only thing I found was this from wiki:

GarryB wrote:

Has for frigates well if you build enough DD's you don't really need frigates. Unless you just want a gigantic navy which is something Russia cannot afford, currently going by how they are behaving Russia will, for the most part, forget about frigates.

A frigate is a useful lighter vessel that is relatively cheap to buy and operate, but I suspect what has happened is that they have realised that their Corvette designs are very much more powerful than their old Frigates and they are perhaps realising they should have made their new frigates better armed and used them actually as destroyers, and that if the fire power is so easy to scale up it makes more sense to fit as many UKSK launchers as they can and get a powerful vessel into standard service.

I think therefore they wont bother with frigate level vessels but that their planned destroyers will also get better armament too, so for the moment they have corvettes and some stalled light destroyers but will then start building heavy destroyers and then look at some cruisers later in the game, a stop gap for the cruisers of course is an upgrade to existing larger platforms like the Kirov and Slava class vessels they still have.

There is certainly no reason to panic yet.

littlerabbit wrote:Considering Super Gorshkov...it should have around 8.000 tonnes, right? Now, we have project 22350, which has 5.400 tonnes (max). My question is, IF Russia ever decide to build project Lider, according to TASS after 2020 and will have "only" 10-15.000 tonnes, would it be logical to built Super Gorshkovs after all...I don't see a point in building them along with Lider class, only if Russia decide not to build nuclear heavy destroyer, then building Super Gorshkov would be logical, at least to me. Am I right or...?

LMFS wrote:
For comparison, an Arleigh-Burke destroyer weights depending on production version between 8300 and 9800 T, and a Ticonderoga-class cruiser 9800 T. So a "destroyer" with 15.000 T is not small at all...