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artjomh wrote:That's not Gorshkov-M, Austin.
Just a promotional collage.
Stealthflanker wrote:quick question.
We know that Gorshkov carry 32 missiles for its Redut system, and it use 9M96. I wonder what 9M96 variant utilized.. the shorter range 9M96 or longer range 9M96DM ? and Is there any differences between 9M96 used by redut with the one used in Vityaz ?
thanks :3
Not really very important if the ship already has capable anti-air weaponry. Gorshkov has many, many AA missiles, and multiple CIWS systems (which also use missiles).Isos wrote:They should have design a naval system of the t-14's Afghanit againt anti-ship missiles. It would be used if the canons don't shoot the missile in the last 50 m by sending a 30 kg bomb in the direction of the missile, no need to pursuit it on radars if the bomb is big enough to have a blast radiuis of 30 m.
What do you tink ?
GarryB wrote:The safety distance for a decent anti ship cruise missile is more like 300m... not 30m.
Would you be ready to invest 1 mill usd for device which will made that 152mm shell which fly to your face explode 30 cm away from your face instead on it? And would you acctualy carry that device ( 30kg heavy ) with you in battle? Or you would buy better rifle and night vision device heavy 3kg and which cost 10000 usd?Isos wrote:Yes but the missiles can be jammed. If it's an isolated attack on a patoling Gorshkov by aircrafts that appears 40km away in low altitude and ships it will be not enough.
Moreover, it has just one CIWS on each side, so if there is a malfunction on one side they lose 50% of their defence capabilities.GarryB wrote:The safety distance for a decent anti ship cruise missile is more like 300m... not 30m.
It's better to blow up the missile 30m away from the ship than let it comes in
marat wrote:Would you be ready to invest 1 mill usd for device which will made that 152mm shell which fly to your face explode 30 cm away from your face instead on it? And would you acctualy carry that device ( 30kg heavy ) with you in battle? Or you would buy better rifle and night vision device heavy 3kg and which cost 10000 usd?Isos wrote:Yes but the missiles can be jammed. If it's an isolated attack on a patoling Gorshkov by aircrafts that appears 40km away in low altitude and ships it will be not enough.
Moreover, it has just one CIWS on each side, so if there is a malfunction on one side they lose 50% of their defence capabilities.GarryB wrote:The safety distance for a decent anti ship cruise missile is more like 300m... not 30m.
It's better to blow up the missile 30m away from the ship than let it comes in
System that you are advocating is not praticaly as ship would be badly damaged even if system work well. And system would be costly ( money -weight-space-crew-energy).
Yes but the missiles can be jammed. If it's an isolated attack on a patoling Gorshkov by aircrafts that appears 40km away in low altitude and ships it will be not enough.
Moreover, it has just one CIWS on each side, so if there is a malfunction on one side they lose 50% of their defence capabilities.
It's better to blow up the missile 30m away from the ship than let it comes in
The rocket with a 30kg (or more 50kg if you want) warhead and range of 30m ( 50-75m if you want ) is cheaper than a tor or buk missile.
Put 4 luncher with one or two rockets each on the ship and you can cover 360°.
Isos wrote:
That's what I'm saying. You use it if all other defence system failed to intercept the missile.
Even if it does'nt work well, it's better to damage the missile before the impact than let it explode in the ship. If you're lucky it could explode in the water. Moreovere, if you are facing a harpoon it could be very succesfull as it it's a really small missile.
Not really costly. A 20-30kg bomb lunched by a little rocket and unguided ( uses the radar of the ship or optics to locate the missile and determine when it will be close to the ships by a simple algorithm) is not expansive, it can work in an automatic mode.
If you put it in small lunchers in the style of a very small RBU, it's even more cheaper as russian have a lot of experience in rocket lunchers.
The rocket with a 30kg (or more 50kg if you want) warhead and range of 30m ( 50-75m if you want ) is cheaper than a tor or buk missile.
Put 4 luncher with one or two rockets each on the ship and you can cover 360°.
Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Isos wrote:
That's what I'm saying. You use it if all other defence system failed to intercept the missile.
Even if it does'nt work well, it's better to damage the missile before the impact than let it explode in the ship. If you're lucky it could explode in the water. Moreovere, if you are facing a harpoon it could be very succesfull as it it's a really small missile.
Not really costly. A 20-30kg bomb lunched by a little rocket and unguided ( uses the radar of the ship or optics to locate the missile and determine when it will be close to the ships by a simple algorithm) is not expansive, it can work in an automatic mode.
If you put it in small lunchers in the style of a very small RBU, it's even more cheaper as russian have a lot of experience in rocket lunchers.
The rocket with a 30kg (or more 50kg if you want) warhead and range of 30m ( 50-75m if you want ) is cheaper than a tor or buk missile.
Put 4 luncher with one or two rockets each on the ship and you can cover 360°.
There are Russian systems just like what you are suggesting. One of them is called Trezubets and is designed to primarily fire 220 mm very high-speed unguided rockets with 60 kg warheads. The system and its rockets have lots of interesting features that I cannot describe now, but here is a drawing.
There are Russian systems just like what you are suggesting. One of them is called Trezubets and is designed to primarily fire 220 mm very high-speed unguided rockets with 60 kg warheads. The system and its rockets have lots of interesting features that I cannot describe now, but here is a drawing.
But I was thinking of a really, really last defence system that will able the ship to survive, even with hard damage. It was just an idea.
Just a correction, when I was talking about jamming missiles I was saying you can jam the radar of the ship (as it happend for the donad cook) and his anti-air missiles become useless.
In this case you have just last defence systems and I think ships need more than canons. Canons and CIWS work with radars that can be jammed too , I don't kwow if the manual mode is good againt an anti-ship missile, but I think (it' just my opinion) it's not enough.
ult wrote:
PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:
I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?
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