Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

artjomh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:

I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

Maintenance access

Thanks!!!


It is good to finally see this ship from above. It is awesome, they really knocked it out of the park with this one.

Wise thing to do would be to send blueprints of it to every shipyard in Russia and build as many as physically possible.

artjomh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:

I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

Maintenance access

I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

chicken wrote:

artjomh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:

I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

Maintenance access

I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

Paket's in a different place.

Why don't they to put another 2 Redut VLS  (or 2 shtill VLS or the little tor VLS or 1 UKSK) instead of the 130mm canon and put two 76mm canons on both side of the ship like it's done on the Horizon class ? Isn't the 130mm too big for a frigate ? Most of ships carry 76mm.

I had the same reaction as PapaDragon when I saw the empty space. It could have been better design even if it's well armed for 130m frigate.



BTW the gorshlov's radar seems little comparing to Horizon's, no ?

Isos wrote:Why don't they to put another 2 Redut VLS  (or 2 shtill VLS or the little tor VLS or 1 UKSK) instead of the 130mm canon and put two 76mm canons on both side of the ship like it's done on the Horizon class ?

Because that would:

1) change center of gravity
2) make the ship A LOT more expensive

Look at the VLS layout of DDG-51. You can't just stick missile in every space that looks "empty" from the outside, as it affects the ship's stability, buoyancy, righting torque and other properties.

chicken wrote:

artjomh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:

I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

Maintenance access

I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

I think you are right; each of the hatches right below the top hatches probably are for a 6 tube/container Paket launcher.

Isos wrote:Isn't the 130mm too big for a frigate ? Most of ships carry 76mm.

A 130mm gun is vastly more effective than a pissy 76mm. Range & damage potential are greatly improved, and the shell provides more volume for future upgrades such as guided munitions.

artjomh wrote:

chicken wrote:

artjomh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys a question from a noob:

I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

Maintenance access

I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

Paket's in a different place.

I thought he meant these spaces.


Which seemed to coincide with some pictures of Paket?
Although this looks different but probably the same method?

chicken wrote:

So each of the Paket launchers on project 22350 is a 4 tube/container launcher?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

chicken wrote:

So each of the Paket launchers on project 22350 is a 4 tube/container launcher?

The side doors look kinda square-ish so that's what I think too.

As I am sure you already know, this is the hatch from inside.

George1 wrote:32xRedut are enough. They could add more Kalibr launchers

Can the Redut VLS support kalibr missile ? They look similar on the picture but Kalibr is a big missiles.

BTW, are they planning to put just the missile with 40 km or add the one with 120 km? I saw a image of them they doesn't have the same length.

Mmmm, no, Paket is amidships, closer to the smoke stack.

Those doors next to UKSK are for maintenance access, they are NOT launchers of any kind.

Don't waste your time on this, these are no weapons of any kind there.

George1 wrote:

Isos wrote:

BTW, are they planning to put just the missile with 40 km or add the one with 120 km? I saw a image of them they doesn't have the same length.

Probably a mix of them. Missiles of 40km can be 4 in each launcher, those of 120km one

You are wrong. It's in the Rif-M VLS (S-300) that you can put 4 9M96E (40km) instead of one 48N6-2 (150 km big missile).

The 120km missile is the 9M96E2 and is almost the same size as 9M96E. Redut is the naval Vityaz system and can use just 9M96E (40 km) missiles and maybe 9M96E2 ( that was my question).

There are 32 cells on Gorshkov and they can accomodate just 1 missile.

http://red-stars.org/spip.php?article319 French source, it says exactly what I said.

"Admiral Kasatonov"

artjomh wrote:Mmmm, no, Paket is amidships, closer to the smoke stack.

Those doors next to UKSK are for maintenance access, they are NOT launchers of any kind.

Don't waste your time on this, these are no weapons of any kind there.

Ok, I don't know much about the ship itself, so mine was simply a conjecture.

George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament



http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

George1 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament



http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

91PT missile in UKSK, what is it?

Antisubmarine Kalibr missile with small torpedo inside.

George1 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament



http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

91PT missile in UKSK, what is it?

It is the 91РТ (with 91RT transliteration) antisubmarine (antisubsurface) missile.


Here is the 91РТЭ2 (91RTEh2) member of the family:




Supposedly a 91RT being fired from proekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov: