Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:...

There are only 6 Udaloys and 8 Sovremennys, so at least Russia will finally have some decent ships bigger than Corvettes in the double digits.

6 Udalois and 1 Sovremenny, all others are retired and this last one will be soon as well

Check your numbers
As of today, there are 9 Udaloys in service (7 active + 2 being modernized) and 4 Sovremennys in service (2 active + 2 being repaired).

AFAIK the info in wikipedia is correct, ie:

Udaloys (9):

Kulakov - Northern Fleet
Severomorsk - Northern Fleet
Levchenko - Northern Fleet
Kharlamov - Northern Fleet
Chabanenko (modernisation) - Northern Fleet
Tributs - Pacific Fleet
Vinogradov - Pacific Fleet
Panteleyev - Pacific Fleet
Shaposhnikov (modernisation) - Pacific Fleet

Sovs (4):

Ushakov - Northern Fleet
Burnyy (overhaul) - Pacific Fleet
Bystryy - Pacific Fleet
Nastoychivyy (overhaul) - Baltic Fleet

The Sovs don't have a lot of life left in them, and modernisation would be a waste of coin, but they could continue to serve for another decade or so if needed.

The Sovs were impressive looking ships with well balanced armament. Their propulsion was not great, but if they can solve those issues I am sure they would be useful for the next 20 years so that new bigger ships wont be so urgently required and they can take the time to get them right.

I seem to remember someone mentioning that they had over 1,000 x 130mm rounds for sustained naval gunfire support roles, and of course their main missile armament is optimised to penetrate an AEGIS class cruisers defences...

It seems they have "closed" the area where we supposed kh-35 launchers will be installed (former missile pad).

Is it going to get Calibr cruise missiles?

DerWolf wrote:Is it going to get Calibr cruise missiles?

Yes. 16 cells cells behind the gun.

RBU is also covered.

Isos wrote:It seems they have "closed" the area where we supposed kh-35 launchers will be installed (former missile pad).

Not so much closed as a blast barrier has been installed so that the area behind the launcher can be utilised. There looks to be some structures on the bulkhead forwards of the wall that might be part of the Uran launcher fixings.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Isos wrote:It seems they have "closed" the area where we supposed kh-35 launchers will be installed (former missile pad).

Not so much closed as a blast barrier has been installed so that the area behind the launcher can be utilised.  There looks to be some structures on the bulkhead forwards of the wall that might be part of the Uran launcher fixings.

How would you put the missile behind the blast barrier ? Maybe turn them 90° to fire on the sides but unlikely.

The structure seem to be for allowing people going up to check the uksk and not a launch pad.

It would be rather stupid to not install new missiles where formers were.

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:...How would you put the missile behind the blast barrier ? Maybe turn them 90° to fire on the sides but unlikely....

It's very likely

90° is standard setting for that type of launchers

There is no space for that. Uran is almost 5m long. Moreover the opening in the sides is to small to allow a 4 tube uran launcher. They would have cut the structure if it was the case.

Well this might be the Uran launcher place actually. I thought it was to much angled and the front structure would be in the way of the missile.

That's nice and great power up.

Those areas we are talking about had Metel missiles located there that are enormous compared with the Uran... you could probably fit two quad launchers for the Uran in that space... one forward of the other both angled up and out off centre... that would be 16 missiles if both sides had the same loadout... a useful backup...

They could even put a modular angled launch mount that can carry Uran or Medvedevka ballistic anti sub rockets...

PapaDragon wrote:
Udaloi II-class destroyer Admiral Chebanenko is also undergoing upgrades and getting UKSK bank installed

Chebanenko has been under repair for some time now. Not been active since 2013 I belive.

No surprise, as she's in lousy shape. AFAIK she is only used as a floating barracks for the Shaposnikovs crew while she completes her refit.

Marshal Shaposhnikov will start trials during 2nd half of 2020

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8514237

Well it still clearly has the naval TOR system as that sensor on a pedestal at the rear... where the left leg of the large crane in the background meets the rear of the ship is for the Klintok system...

not a great quality image... and lots of scaffolding still present it seems... but interesting none the less...

Details of the "alcove" behind the ex-Metel launcher. Could this structure be intended as a support for new equipment and a bulkhead to fully enclose this area?



The Uran support structure (just aft & port/stbd of the UKSK bins) looks mostly complete, just needs the missile canisters?