Syrian Civil War: News #9

SAA Reporter ‏@Syria_Protector 2m2 minutes ago

#BREAKING john Kerry: Syria truce to begin on Sunday, with Eid holiday


Following a meeting in Geneva, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry have announced plans to stem the violence in Syria.

Speaking to reporters, Kerry expressed hope that the new plan could be the moment when multilateral diplomatic efforts begin to take hold. "We must go after these terrorists. Not indiscriminately, but in a systematic way," he said.

Russia and the US are calling on all sides to honor a nationwide cessation of hostilities beginning at sundown on September 12. This involves halting all attacks, including airstrikes.

The agreement also requires unimpeded humanitarian access to areas in need, including Aleppo, and depends on all forces pulling back from Castello Road. Kerry said he expects Russia to ensure that the Syrian government adheres to the ceasefire.

Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that there still remains a lack of confidence in US-Russia cooperation and negotiations on Syria.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160910/1045153716/us-russia-syria-stem-violence.html

FFS again?!?! It'll turn out to be a momentum-breaker, allowing the terrorists to flee and regroup....and no surprise it happened just right after the siege was broken.

It's either fight the trapped rebels to the death in a built up urban area, or allow them to be shuttled out and fight them on the open plains of Idlib.

The same shit is probably going to happen in East Ghouta too, just as it did not so long ago in Darayya.

magnumcromagnon wrote:FFS again?!?! It'll turn out to be a momentum-breaker, allowing the terrorists to flee and regroup....and no surprise it happened just right after the siege was broken.

I thought so too but if that is the case then why is Washington Post so butthurt over this deal?

They say it was Kerry who was chatting with DC for hours trying to get the go ahead from Uncle Sam not the other way around.

Weird...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-foreign-minister-lavrov-says-he-was-thinking-of-calling-it-a-day-on-syria-talks-with-the-united-states/2016/09/09/f37ca320-75ff-11e6-9781-49e591781754_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop_b#comments

JohninMK wrote:SAA Reporter ‏@Syria_Protector 2m2 minutes ago

#BREAKING john Kerry: Syria truce to begin on Sunday, with Eid holiday


Following a meeting in Geneva, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry have announced plans to stem the violence in Syria.

Speaking to reporters, Kerry expressed hope that the new plan could be the moment when multilateral diplomatic efforts begin to take hold. "We must go after these terrorists. Not indiscriminately, but in a systematic way," he said.

Russia and the US are calling on all sides to honor a nationwide cessation of hostilities beginning at sundown on September 12. This involves halting all attacks, including airstrikes.

The agreement also requires unimpeded humanitarian access to areas in need, including Aleppo, and depends on all forces pulling back from Castello Road. Kerry said he expects Russia to ensure that the Syrian government adheres to the ceasefire.

Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that there still remains a lack of confidence in US-Russia cooperation and negotiations on Syria.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160910/1045153716/us-russia-syria-stem-violence.html

Ooh god, kvs is gonna have a sh#tfit, better prepare some popcorn.

AlfaT8 wrote:

JohninMK wrote:SAA Reporter ‏@Syria_Protector 2m2 minutes ago

#BREAKING john Kerry: Syria truce to begin on Sunday, with Eid holiday


Following a meeting in Geneva, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry have announced plans to stem the violence in Syria.

Speaking to reporters, Kerry expressed hope that the new plan could be the moment when multilateral diplomatic efforts begin to take hold. "We must go after these terrorists. Not indiscriminately, but in a systematic way," he said.

Russia and the US are calling on all sides to honor a nationwide cessation of hostilities beginning at sundown on September 12. This involves halting all attacks, including airstrikes.

The agreement also requires unimpeded humanitarian access to areas in need, including Aleppo, and depends on all forces pulling back from Castello Road. Kerry said he expects Russia to ensure that the Syrian government adheres to the ceasefire.

Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that there still remains a lack of confidence in US-Russia cooperation and negotiations on Syria.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160910/1045153716/us-russia-syria-stem-violence.html

Ooh god, kvs is gonna have a sh#tfit, better prepare some popcorn.

I don't blame him. Everyone's tired of this shit.

Let's see the terms first...

I've grown to dislike these Islamist-dominated rebels quite strongly, so I'm not sure what to make of this deal.

Just checked and Jihadi Julian is also having menstrual pains over this deal as well.

Stranger and stranger....

KoTeMoRe wrote:Let's see the terms first...

Doesn't seem like we'll get them, according to Kerry and Lavrov.

PapaDragon wrote:
Just checked and Jihadi Julian is also having menstrual pains over this deal as well.

Stranger and stranger....

Yes, that's good news. Rebels seem to be speculating that is similar to the past ceasefires, which stopped fighting in certain areas and allowed the government to focus their offensives elsewhere. So they're mad because they think this will allow the US, Russia, and Damascus to target al-Qaeda, and then the Syrian government will have a stronger hand to deal with the remaining 'rebels' afterward. Basically they seem pissed because this is an ultimatum for them to extricate themselves from al-Qaeda or be bombed, and they know they are nothing without their jihadists. That's just my take.

Swiped this from Other Place:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShoebridgeC/status/774370766573932545

''Charles Shoebridge
@ShoebridgeC

Syria rebels to BBC: "We joined only because FSA paid us. This is no revolution. They lied to us, this war is a lie"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37315875

PapaDragon wrote:
Just checked and Jihadi Julian is also having menstrual pains over this deal as well.

Stranger and stranger....

That doesn't really mean anything, in fact that sound more grasping straws than anything.

1.) Pepe Escobar has already explained that there's been in fighting between the Pentagon and the CIA for basically the past 9 months. The Pentagon wants to exclusively support the Cheesy Kurds, and the CIA wants to exclusively support the Free Sectarian Army in the open (and JAN in private). We've seen similar infighting (with John Kerry involved) during the last cease-fire so this is nothing new, and the biggest achievement of the last cease-fire was that the goatf*ckers managed to rearm and regroup with +8,000 fighters.

2.) Timing is everything. The Minsk treaty happened right after the Debaltsevo Cauldron, which was such a momentum shifter that if it weren't for the Minsk treaty (aka the treaty to save German business interests in Russia) Novo-forces would of likely had Odessa at siege by now. Similarly we finally see a monumental victory in Aleppo and now we have this? Trust me it's not a mere coincidence. Mind you if it weren't for the pitfall in the last cease-fire (which allowed the beardies to replenish themselves with +8,000 fighters), the SAA wouldn't have had so many setbacks in Aleppo. This will ultimately lead to major setbacks for the Syrian military, and everyone will go back to blaming SAA for %100 of everything instead of asking "Why is the Russian side supporting a cease-fire that will ultimately help the enemy rearm and regroup?" For that matter is the SAA at fault for the MINSK treaties failing as well?

...Ultimately I'm not trying to be the new flag-shit-vasectomy, but you guys need to allow some constructive criticism. I brought up the same question last time, and the same people vehemently disagreed with me on the effectiveness of the last cease-fire. We had similar debates about the VKS draw-down as well. Sadly, I was right in both cases (I argued that both will lead to negative outcomes). I'm not blaming VVP, nor Shoigu, nor Bondarev, the Russian State apparatus is more complex than that. The state apparatus is a coalition of Siloviki (VVP) and Neo-liberals (Medvedev), ultimately the failed cease-fires are derived from the Euro-Atlantic business interests in Russia (many like BP, ExxonMobil, Boeing who like to play the 'Good Cop' role) who work through their agents of influence like Kudrin, Potanin, the Gaidar family, Chubais, formely Berezovsky and Khdorkovsky, and most unfortunately through Medvedv. The cease-fires act as the proverbial 'carrots-on-the-stick', as the Russian side tries to preserve any and all of the last vestiges of geo-political cooperation left with the West, with the altruistic goal to prevent future thermonuclear escalation. Alas this will fail, you will not see the lifting of the sanctions (Lavrov believes they'll last for decades), or a restoration of relations....It's too late, the Neo-Cold War will not be prevented. Russian diplomacy will have to stop relying on foreign investment from the Euro-Atlantic business interests and focus on reinvesting in themselves, and not allow any more cease-fires until Raqqa and Odessa are captured respectively.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Just checked and Jihadi Julian is also having menstrual pains over this deal as well.

Stranger and stranger....

That doesn't really mean anything, in fact that sound more grasping straws than anything.

1.) Pepe Escobar has already explained that there's been in fighting between the Pentagon and the CIA for basically the past 9 months. The Pentagon wants to exclusively support the Cheesy Kurds, and the CIA wants to exclusively support the Free Sectarian Army in the open (and JAN in private). We've seen similar infighting (with John Kerry involved) during the last cease-fire so this is nothing new, and the biggest achievement of the last cease-fire was that the goatf*ckers managed to rearm and regroup with +8,000 fighters.

2.) Timing is everything. The Minsk treaty happened right after the Debaltsevo Cauldron, which was such a momentum shifter that if it weren't for the Minsk treaty (aka the treaty to save German business interests in Russia) Novo-forces would of likely had Odessa at siege by now. Similarly we finally see a monumental victory in Aleppo and now we have this? Trust me it's not a mere coincidence. Mind you if it weren't for the pitfall in the last cease-fire (which allowed the beardies to replenish themselves with +8,000 fighters), the SAA wouldn't have had so many setbacks in Aleppo. This will ultimately lead to major setbacks for the Syrian military, and everyone will go back to blaming SAA for %100 of everything instead of asking "Why is the Russian side supporting a cease-fire that will ultimately help the enemy rearm and regroup?" For that matter is the SAA at fault for the MINSK treaties failing as well?

...Ultimately I'm not trying to be the new flag-shit-vasectomy, but you guys need to allow some constructive criticism. I brought up the same question last time, and the same people vehemently disagreed with me on the effectiveness of the last cease-fire. We had similar debates about the VKS draw-down as well. Sadly, I was right in both cases (I argued that both will lead to negative outcomes). I'm not blaming VVP, nor Shoigu, nor Bondarev, the Russian State apparatus is more complex than that. The state apparatus is a coalition of Siloviki (VVP) and Neo-liberals (Medvedev), ultimately the failed cease-fires are derived from the Euro-Atlantic business interests in Russia (many like BP, ExxonMobil, Boeing who like to play the 'Good Cop' role) who work through their agents of influence like Kudrin, Potanin, the Gaidar family, Chubais, formely Berezovsky and Khdorkovsky, and most unfortunately through Medvedv. The cease-fires act as the proverbial 'carrots-on-the-stick', as the Russian side tries to preserve any and all of the last vestiges of geo-political cooperation left with the West, with the altruistic goal to prevent future thermonuclear escalation. Alas this will fail, you will not see the lifting of the sanctions (Lavrov believes they'll last for decades), or a restoration of relations....It's too late, the Neo-Cold War will not be prevented. Russian diplomacy will have to stop relying on foreign investment from the Euro-Atlantic business interests and focus on reinvesting in themselves, and not allow any more cease-fires until Raqqa and Odessa are captured respectively.

Very well written Magnum. ....as the Russian side tries to preserve any and all of the last vestiges of geo-political cooperation left with the West, with the altruistic goal to prevent future thermonuclear escalation. <---- This.

I'd like to believe that the Aleppo ceasefire will allow a build up of forces for the SAA. However the timing is so f#**#$ dumb. Like come on, SAA was preparing to take the strategic town of Khan Touman. I'm very disappointed. I'm hoping there is a huge advantage to this deal, as Russia has the upper hand considering the SAA retook ramouseh and military colleges, and was advancing outwards. This will maybe allow SAA to mop up in other places, and free up forces. Obviously, this war is not ending politically. There has to be a mixture of both political and military solutions. TBH, this is a horrible idea... Lavrov pulled a f***** derp...

VladimirSahin wrote:I'd like to believe that the Aleppo ceasefire will allow a build up of forces for the SAA. However the timing is so f#**#$ dumb. Like come on, SAA was preparing to take the strategic town of Khan Touman. I'm very disappointed. I'm hoping there is a huge advantage to this deal, as Russia has the upper hand considering the SAA retook ramouseh and military colleges, and was advancing outwards. This will maybe allow SAA to mop up in other places, and free up forces. Obviously, this war is not ending politically. There has to be a mixture of both political and military solutions. TBH, this is a horrible idea... Lavrov pulled a f***** derp...

Each time we get there the situation is better, last truce the Syrian state was saved, this one the Syrian State holds aleppo and has clear that double whammy of a enclave around Damascus. What about next time....they will be holding Idlib? I agree the pace in which the Syrians were regaining ground was staggering and as we all thought the Aleppo adventure broke the back of the "beardies" for a net loss.

So yeah it is what it is.

Nobody here knows what agreement entails really or which areas and groups are covered by the ceasefire.

But we all need to remember something here: Last year when this op started VVP clearly stated that campaign will last 3 or 4 months. In that time SAA was sitting on it's as 24/7, expected VKS to do their job for them and only started moving anywhere once deadline started approaching.

It is actually very fortunate for Syria that Russian public is eager to approve continued ops in Syria by VKS and I think this is mostly because they enjoy butthurt that comes out of the USA over it. Othervise Damascus would would be in deep shtuck.

Later when Aleppo was finally encircled instead of locking down and expanding those gains SAA allowed rebels to break their lines and then they wasted whole month trying to reset the situation.

And let's not forget ''good ally'' Iran. Instead of approving and expanding VKS operations from their base they immediately terminated it for some bullshit reasons that we still don't even know.

Also for the whole past month Iran was sitting on it's ass instead of immediately sending the manpower to plug the hole in Aleppo front. And only now when Russia and USA have come close to an agreement they just decide to send additional troops in. A bit like when SAA got off their asses just when 3 month deadline was expiring?

And most of all we should keep in mind fact that reason SAA finally started accomplishing anything in Aleppo is not because of their efforts. It is because and only because several days ago Russian marines have arrived to put the boot up SAA's asses and do the heavy lifting for them.

So these battlefield successes belong to Russia, not Syria and Russia is within it's right to proceed as they see fit.

Israeli jets carry out air strikes on Syrian Army positions near the Golan Heights

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/10/israeli-jets-carry-out-air-strikes-on-syrian-army-positions-near-the-golan-heights/

The hi-lights of the Russian - American ceasefire plan:

https://en.ria.ru/politics/20160910/1045172140/russia-us-deal-syria.html

airstrike wrote:Israeli jets carry out air strikes on Syrian Army positions near the Golan Heights

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/10/israeli-jets-carry-out-air-strikes-on-syrian-army-positions-near-the-golan-heights/

They do that every couple of weeks. This is not really news.

franco wrote:The hi-lights of the Russian - American ceasefire plan:

https://en.ria.ru/politics/20160910/1045172140/russia-us-deal-syria.html

It's a weird deal, and even though the rebels seem upset I still don't like it. Me just being a guy trying to get info from the internet -- I can't make heads or tails of it.

I noticed Iran opened up their airbase again for Russia. Is this some sort of leverage? I don't know. But it doesn't look like it has much of a chance of success.

This is ceasefire is just dumb, you got fuckers, on the run, now just take them out.




A good video on the Tu-214R electronic surveillance aircraft.

https://southfront.org/russia-defense-report-electronic-ears-over-aleppo/

PapaDragon wrote:

airstrike wrote:Israeli jets carry out air strikes on Syrian Army positions near the Golan Heights

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/10/israeli-jets-carry-out-air-strikes-on-syrian-army-positions-near-the-golan-heights/

They do that every couple of weeks. This is not really news.

Followed by this makes it suspicious.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/fierce-clashes-spread-across-golan-heights-jihadists-launch-massive-offensive/

At the risk of seeming a hypocrite because of my hardline views against Minsk, I will suggest that while I do not like this stop and start war, that irrespective of the condition of the various anti Assad forces, the SAA itself is not big or strong enough to mount the continuous hard hitting operations required to defeat the enemy in the short term, so every so often, even when the situation seems good, need to stop and repair men and machines. The situation in Syria is not like at Mariupol where while VSN was clearly not the force it is now, and guys were getting tired, ukrops had essentially totaly collapsed and the way to Kherson, let alone Mariupol, was open. Anti Assad forces in Syria are not suffering the bad leadership and morale of ukrops, and fight far better, so SAA need to do this a bite at a time. The only other solutions would be to declare no fly zone over Syria for any non Syrian or VKS aircraft and step up the bombing by considerable degree, and even possibly also need large scale Iranian ground forces to enter. Neither are likely at this time, and as far as heavy Iranian involvement, not even in the future, at least as far as can be guessed because we do not know the "unknown unknowns". But in end result, any "ceasefire" in Syria may have the same smell of shit as Minsk.

If you guys come across any info regarding the enforcement off the humanitarian corridor along the al-castillo road, please post it.

Supposedly, the SAA and the opposition are supposed to withdraw 1km from the area, which is kind of stupid given that the SAA will still have fire control, but wont be able to inspect the convoys.

A lot complained last time it allowed the rebels to regroup and even the Russians admitted they recruited about 5,000 more fighters... but look at today in Damascus, Aleppo and Latakia. Even if the rebels got stronger, the Syrian government forces got stronger by many times. Time to rest, repair, replenish, recruit and train for the next round.