Question Thread: Russian Army

I found this just now

That is one of the photos I remember seeing...

I am sure I have also seen 2-3 Vodniks escorting a TOPOL-M vehicle down a road through a forest too.

Well at least I know it's being used, that's all I wanted to know. Thanks for the help Garry

In 1981 U.S. military published this poster illustrating 7 types of Red Army equipment that were expected to inflict the most damage on NATO should a war with Warsaw Pact break out.




1.ZSU-23-4 anti-aircraft weapon
2.T-72 tank
3.SA-8 Gecko surface-to-air missile system
4.Mi-24 Hind-D gunship
5.BMP-1 ainfantry combat vehicle
6.2S1 Gvozdika 122mm self-propelled gun
7.2S3 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled gun


What about the new Russian Big-7. Which systems would include?

1. Tunguska-M1 anti-aircraft weapon
2. T-90 Main Battle Tank
3. Tor-M2 SAM System
4. Mi-28 Attack Helicopter
5. BMP-3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
6. Tornado-G MRLS
7. 2S19 Msta self-propelled howitzer

Russia has no Tor-M2 in service

After their experience in Afghanistan I rather suspect a list like this:

Pecheneg,
RPG-28,
RPG-29,
Kornet,
Smerch/Tornado,
Iskander,
Igla-S

TR1 wrote:Russia has no Tor-M2 in service

No? Interesting. In December last year they reported, that first Tor-M2U were deployed in south military district.

http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/307597.html

medo wrote:

TR1 wrote:Russia has no Tor-M2 in service

No? Interesting. In December last year they reported, that first Tor-M2U were deployed in south military district.

http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/307597.html

Well, this is one of those cases where I default to "Pics or I am suspicious".
Thanks for link though.

War with NATO?

Voyevoda
Topol-M
Tu-160
Tu-95
Tu-22M3
Iskander-M
Sineva

There you have it. The Big 7

The post referred to Soviet Army equipment not, Air Force, Navy, nuclear forces etc etc etc.

It is about ground forces equipment

Hmm in terms of pure casualty counts I would say something like:

AK-74
Grad
Smerch
Tochka-U
Msta-S
Su-25
BMP-2

Mkay.. something like that

There's really no dispute on which modern equipment would cause the most damage, however there may be some debatable question: such as, which ADS is the best? The answer to that is, non, since the whole point of an IADS (Integrated Air Defense System) is to have all the bases covered, from short to long to anti-helicopters to anti-ballistic missiles. However, in terms of sheer versatility, the Pantsyr would probably be the most efficient ADS.

Well it is hard to look at Pantsyr alone - I think more useful would be the S-400 site as a whole, protected by the Pantsir batteries.

S-400 + Pantsir = scary.


Tor fans might disagree though, many people are not a fan of Pantsir's wheeled base. Though that might not be a huge problem for its current role, if Army ever acquires it, it will certainly have tracked chassis.

TR1 wrote:Well it is hard to look at Pantsyr alone - I think more useful would be the S-400 site as a whole, protected by the Pantsir batteries.

S-400 + Pantsir = scary.


Tor fans might disagree though, many people are not a fan of Pantsir's wheeled base. Though that might not be a huge problem for its current role, if Army ever acquires it, it will certainly have tracked chassis.

Like this?

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/422082_341838505839495_2021873323_n.jpg

Yeah thats the one I had in mind.

Though I suspect army might be interested in putting it on a new unified chassis.

No doubt they will, the one in the pic is just a floor model at the factory.

Anyone figured out what radar the darker pantsir in the back has? I remember seeing it sometime back when it was painted tan and I've still never found an answer to what system it is.

Different forces will use different versions of TOR and Pantsir-S1.

The Air Force will use wheeled versions, while the Army will use tracked models of both vehicles as they have done previously. The GM-xxxx tracked vehicle chassis is made in Belarus, but there is no place for that in the heavy, medium, or light brigades as their purpose is simplified logistics and operational performance as all vehicles in the units have the same level of protection and mobility. This would mean that any missile (TOR) or Gun missile (Pantsir-S1/Tunguska-S1) regiments would need Armata, kurganets-25, Boomerang-25 or Boomerang-10 based vehicles. The Tunguska is a 34 ton vehicle so I would suspect lightened versions in all but the Armata formations. For batteries that operate with other units like S-400 batteries then wheeled versions make sense though for TOR or Pantsir-S1 batteries that operate with S-300V it would make sense to use tracked models there too for obvious reasons.

I rather suspect for Light Brigades there will be a lighter AD vehicle... there was a suggestion that the VDV are getting a new air defence vehicle developed for them... one can only guess if that is a BMD-4 or Boomerang-10 based vehicle, though it will replace the stopgap SA-13 systems introduced to replace the ZU-23 units. It could be Phoenix or SOSNA-R, or a light Tunguska with 4 missiles and one twin barrel gun... it could even be Kornet-EM based...

What does C4I mean? I assume it has nothing to do with explosives?

C4ISR is a term used by the U.S. military (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=C4I

come to india instead . $25k will last u a few years and u may even get a chance to join indian army . if at all u are not able to do that . u can still recover $25000 in less then 2 years by working in IT companies lol ....

Is the FFL not an option? If you go there you get to join a foreign unit loaded with Russians. Make a friend who is headed back and they will sponsor you for migration to Russia. After your service you will have an EU passport and a Russian connection. Go to UK, Netherlands, Germany or wherever you want to get a job and migrate, or get your sponsor into Russia. It isn't an immediate solution but it is a path to what you want while you serve the military.

Consider college before getting into something like the military.

It will be a great failsafe and backup option.


By the way- if there is a massive European and American economical collapse, things will not be rosy in Russia.

Vladimir79 wrote:Is the FFL not an option? If you go there you get to join a foreign unit loaded with Russians. Make a friend who is headed back and they will sponsor you for migration to Russia. After your service you will have an EU passport and a Russian connection. Go to UK, Netherlands, Germany or wherever you want to get a job and migrate, or get your sponsor into Russia. It isn't an immediate solution but it is a path to what you want while you serve the military.

They pay solid as well.
Probably as good or better than most jobs you can find without a college degree these days in the states.