+15
Arrow
Big_Gazza
Hole
Pinto
George1
sepheronx
Viktor
Austin
GarryB
ricky123
TheArmenian
TR1
flamming_python
Sujoy
Russian Patriot
19 posters
Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
GarryB- Posts : 40537
Points : 41037
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°26
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
I suspect that will include vertical launch SAMS as well as UKSK launch tubes... wont be cheap, but should be rather more capable.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°27
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Krivak class is really popular around. I wonder now when RuAN decided to buy 6 of them will there be any more sales of that class.
Anyway, Russia-India cooperation is continuing - interesting read
Anyway, Russia-India cooperation is continuing - interesting read
Russian shipbuilders will help Indian counterparts to build in Mumbai four new destroyer project 15B
MOSCOW, April 15. (ARMS-TASS). Baltic shipyard will produce four sets of shafts (sets of devices, tools and connections to transfer of torque from the engine propeller) for Indian destroyers project 15B, which will be built at the shipyards in Mumbai during 2018-2024 years. This was reported by Itar-Tass source in the Russian defense industry.
"In terms of the contract between the Company" Baltic Shipyard - Shipbuilding ", JSC" Rosoboronexport "and foreign customers, Baltic Plant should produce four sets of shafts in 2017," - says the official website of the company.
The report notes that the first contracts for the manufacture of such products are made now in the early 1990s, and the previous - to produce shafts for destroyers previous project (15A) - in 2007-2009.
However, a source in the Russian defense industry said that the shafts are for four destroyers project 15B, which are being built for the Indian Navy at shipyards sudozavoda MDL (Mazagon Dock Limited) in Mumbai. He noted that in drafting the destroyers involved engineers Northern Design Bureau (SPKB, St. Petersburg). In addition, Russian companies supply the shipyard MDL number of nodes, in particular - the shafting.
As reported earlier, the agency ARMS-TASS, the construction of the first three destroyers (EM) project 15 (pictured) of "Delhi" (D-60 - D-62) was carried out at the shipyard Mazagon Dock in g.Bombee in 1987-2001. Because of the significant financial constraints the construction of these ships went from 8 to 10 years. The estimated cost of a destroyer pr.15 is about 400 million.
In 2003 began the construction of the 2nd series - four EM 15A Ave "Kolkata" (Kolkata) with extensive use of technology to ensure stealth "stealth" and deployment of anti-missile "Brahmos" (BrahMos) and anti-aircraft missiles in vertical launchers. End of construction scheduled for 2012-2014., But due to the rising cost more than 2 times and difficulties in the supply of materials and components of construction time will be increased.
In 2011, the contract for the construction of the third series of four EM pr.15V with completion of the building in the years 2018-2024., Which brought the Russian company "United Shipbuilding Corporation" (USC).
LINK
Sujoy- Posts : 2417
Points : 2575
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°28
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
BRAHMOS FIRED FROM INDIA'S KRIVAK CLASS FRIGATES
Photo Source : BRAHMOS
Photo Source : BRAHMOS
sepheronx- Posts : 8847
Points : 9107
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°29
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Sujoy wrote:When India signed the deal for the Krivak 3 frigates in 2006 they were around $550 million ( ballpark) a pop . The frigates were delivered 6-7 years later .
Now India will be purchasing the Krivak 4 frigates . So they too will be delivered around 2019 . Therefore , inflation , BRAHMOS integration , advanced stealth features might just propel the price to $1 billion a piece.
There is also a belief that by 2019 , Russia will perfect the Russian version of the "AEGIS" and so this might be incorporated in the Krivak 4 ( Talwar Class) frigates that India will purchase.
http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20120831/175538466.html
Didn't the Russian Neustrashimyy-class frigate (3800 tonnes) costs $600 million in 2008 ?
German Sachsen class Frigate $700 million in 2003.
Netherlands De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate was going for $800 million in 2003 .
It seems ,that a price of $1 billion is therefore justified by 2019.
Seeing as how the shipbuilding industries in Russia are in better shape than they were years ago, and that the modified Krivak 4 has been built more than a couple of times, it could very well take less time build them than before.
Would be interesting to see Redut system on it.
Sujoy- Posts : 2417
Points : 2575
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°30
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
sepheronx wrote:Would be interesting to see Redut system on it.
Poliment-Redut has not been offered yet to the Indian Navy . Besides for the sake of retaining existing force-levels impetus is been given to commence the phase-2 upgrades for the Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs.
sepheronx- Posts : 8847
Points : 9107
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°31
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Sujoy wrote:sepheronx wrote:Would be interesting to see Redut system on it.
Poliment-Redut has not been offered yet to the Indian Navy . Besides for the sake of retaining existing force-levels impetus is been given to commence the phase-2 upgrades for the Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs.
Screw India. I am talking about Russia.
Sujoy- Posts : 2417
Points : 2575
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°32
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
sepheronx wrote:Screw India. I am talking about Russia.
You are either on crack or you took a blow to your puny head or BOTH . Does this thread talk about Russian shipbuilding or Russian exports ?
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°33
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
sepheronx wrote:Sujoy wrote:sepheronx wrote:Would be interesting to see Redut system on it.
Poliment-Redut has not been offered yet to the Indian Navy . Besides for the sake of retaining existing force-levels impetus is been given to commence the phase-2 upgrades for the Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs.
Screw India. I am talking about Russia.
Let's not screw the country that made 11356 orders much easier for the Russian Navy.
And no, it will not be getting Redut in the Russian navy.
The whole point was proven working technologies.
sepheronx- Posts : 8847
Points : 9107
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°34
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Sujoy wrote:sepheronx wrote:Screw India. I am talking about Russia.
You are either on crack or you took a blow to your puny head or BOTH . Does this thread talk about Russian shipbuilding or Russian exports ?
Wasn't aware that your country was the center of the earth.
Krivak 4 serves in Russian navy as admiral Grigorovich. Sorry to hurt your Indian pride.
Sujoy- Posts : 2417
Points : 2575
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°35
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
sepheronx wrote:
Wasn't aware that your country was the center of the earth.
So dig this . Yes , it is .
sepheronx wrote:Sorry to hurt your Indian pride.
Don't bother . Half baked comments based on anonymous conjectures do not hurt "Indian pride" .
sepheronx- Posts : 8847
Points : 9107
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°36
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Sujoy wrote:sepheronx wrote:
Wasn't aware that your country was the center of the earth.
So dig this . Yes , it is .sepheronx wrote:Sorry to hurt your Indian pride.
Don't bother . Half baked comments based on anonymous conjectures do not hurt "Indian pride" .
You need to understand the concept of metaphorically, not physically.
Seeing as how insulted you were regarding my comment, Indian pride can really be hurt easily. But if it makes any difference, I am sorry.
Sujoy- Posts : 2417
Points : 2575
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°37
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
sepheronx wrote:Seeing as how insulted you were regarding my comment, Indian pride can really be hurt easily. But if it makes any difference, I am sorry.
No need to apologize as I did not feel insulted . I was just trying to highlight that this thread is about Russian sales to India . It seems I failed to and am sorry about that .
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°38
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
So in few days, last of Talwar frigate will be handed out to Indian Navy
Russian shipyard to deliver third frigate to India
Russian shipyard to deliver third frigate to India
GarryB- Posts : 40537
Points : 41037
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°39
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
The first two vessels under the 1.6-billion-US-dollar contract, Teg and Tarkash, were delivered in April and November 2012.
Three frigates at 1.6 billion makes it about 533 million each... not that much of a price increase considering the increase in costs of materials and wages etc etc. In fact a price decrease...
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°40
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Finally - carrier saga is closing to its end.
The aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" July 3 will be released in the White Sea
LINK
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°41
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
3rd and final of the second series transferred to Indian Navy
Completed a contract for the construction of three frigates for the Indian Navy wrote:
LINK
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°42
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
11356 class is becoming popular and with these new improvements and relatively low cost it could be that other countries place their orders
Russia is ready to build for India for 3-4 frigate with improved performance - Anatoly Isaykin
KALININGRAD, June 29. (ARMS-TASS). Russia is ready to quickly build for India for 3-4 Project 11356 frigate with improved characteristics. This was announced today CEO of "Rosoboronexport" Anatoly Isaykin. He attended the handover ceremony of the Indian Navy modernized Project 11356 frigate "Trikand" ("Bow") in Kaliningrad.
"In the case of interest (Indian side), we are ready to immediately build for our Indian partners additional series of 3-4 ships of the project with improved performance," - said Isaykin.
"Project 11356 frigates for 10 years successfully serving in the Indian Navy" - recalled the general director of "Rosoboronexport". "They have significantly improved the combat readiness of the fleet and allow to solve a wide range of tasks," - he added.
"At the same time Russian developers are constantly working to improve them," - said Isaykin.
LINK
George1- Posts : 18519
Points : 19024
Join date : 2011-12-22
Location : Greece
- Post n°43
Re: Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates
Russia and India are negotiating the construction of new frigates
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
New Delhi: India is exploring the possibility of getting more Talwar class ships and was in talks with Russia to see if it acquire the technology for Grigorivich class frigates, the navy vice chief, Vice Admiral P Murugesan, said on Tuesday.
He, however, clarified that India will not be importing the ships.
"As per the maritime perspective plan, we have to build a certain number of ships in a certain time...we are exploring the possibility to expedite (acquisition of) certain number of ships," he told reporters here.
He said exploratory talks were on with Russia, adding that "it will not be an import".
India has been stressing on domestic defence production under the Make in India programme, an important aspect of which is to get technology transfers and inviting foreign firms to manufacture in India.
The Grigorivich class frigates are improved variants of the six Talwar-class (Russian classification: Krivak-III) frigates the navy obtained between 2003 and 2013.
The maritime capability perspective plan of the Indian Navy envisages a 198-ship force by 2027, up from the current 137 vessels.
According to reports, Russia has evaluated three private yards for their potential to build these frigates: Larsen and Toubro`s Katupalli shipyard at Ennore, Tamil Nadu; Pipavav Shipyard in Gujarat; and Cochin Shipyard Ltd. (CSL) in Kochi, Kerala.
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/04/13/india_to_spend_3_billion_for_3_more_talwar-class_frigates_23773.html
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-looking-for-more-talwar-class-ships-navy-vice-chief_1630074.html
He, however, clarified that India will not be importing the ships.
"As per the maritime perspective plan, we have to build a certain number of ships in a certain time...we are exploring the possibility to expedite (acquisition of) certain number of ships," he told reporters here.
He said exploratory talks were on with Russia, adding that "it will not be an import".
India has been stressing on domestic defence production under the Make in India programme, an important aspect of which is to get technology transfers and inviting foreign firms to manufacture in India.
The Grigorivich class frigates are improved variants of the six Talwar-class (Russian classification: Krivak-III) frigates the navy obtained between 2003 and 2013.
The maritime capability perspective plan of the Indian Navy envisages a 198-ship force by 2027, up from the current 137 vessels.
According to reports, Russia has evaluated three private yards for their potential to build these frigates: Larsen and Toubro`s Katupalli shipyard at Ennore, Tamil Nadu; Pipavav Shipyard in Gujarat; and Cochin Shipyard Ltd. (CSL) in Kochi, Kerala.
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/04/13/india_to_spend_3_billion_for_3_more_talwar-class_frigates_23773.html
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-looking-for-more-talwar-class-ships-navy-vice-chief_1630074.html
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
The Talwar class frigates will play a key role in India’s new Maritime Strategy 2015 that aims to dominate the blue waters and strike on land.
High octane defence deals are often the most exciting part of India-Russia summits. Not surprisingly, global attention is focused on the S-400 missile defence system and the PAK-FA stealth fighter during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s current visit to Moscow. However, if India ever goes to war, the first strike is likely to be dealt by the Krivak III (Talwar) class stealth frigates.
India and Russia are circling around a $3 billion contract for new Talwar class frigates. In line with the Modi government’s Make in India push, the production of these frigates will involve an Indian partner, most likely Pipavav Shipyard owned by the Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group.
Sword Arm Of The Navy
Frigates are small when compared with top of the line destroyers, but as the Russian Navy proved in its ongoing war against the Islamic State, small ships armed with long-range missiles can deliver a knockout blow early on in a conflict.
The Talwars have a displacement of just 4000 tons – the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya has a displacement of 45,000 tons – but with a speed of 32 knots they are among the fastest vessels in the ocean. They are capable of accomplishing a wide scale of missions in the ocean, primarily, finding and eliminating submarines and large surface ships.
Says Defence News:
India had earlier procured six vessels of this class in two different batches and has been very pleased with the performance of the 4000 tonne state of the art frigates which pack a lot of firepower in comparison to their size.
Opinions differ as to Talwar’s stealth capabilities. According to Global Security, these missile frigates represent the cutting edge of technology in stealth, reach and punch-
They have ushered in highly automated integrated weapon platforms that are essential for blue water operations by the Indian Navy. Commissioning of these new frigates not only enhances India’s defensive potential at sea but also dramatically affects the power equations in Asia.
However, Defense Industry Daily (DID) believes the Talwars are not full-on stealth warships-
They’re best described as mid-range multi-role frigates, with some stealth features and a potential emphasis on anti-submarine work…
DID adds-
Talwar class ships like the Navy’s existing INS Talwar (Sword), INS Trishul (Trident), and INS Tabar (Axe) can carry 14 vertically-launched Klub missiles, though the new Teg (Saber), Tarkash (Quiver), and Trikand (Bow) are fitted for eight of the much larger supersonic BrahMos anti-ship missiles instead. They will be also equipped with a Russian 100mm gun, a Shtil air defence system external link (upgraded SA-N-7), 2 Kashtan SA-N-11 air defence gun/missile systems, four 533mm torpedo tubes, and a Ka-28 anti-submarine warfare helicopter.
Game changer
In his book, ‘The Sea Power of the State’, Admiral Sergei Gorshkov, who transformed the Russian Navy into a global force, wrote:
Naval warfare aimed directly against land targets will play an ever greater part in any future major conflict.
The Talwar class frigates will play a key role in India’s new Maritime Strategy 2015 that aims to dominate the blue waters and strike on land. For decades India has wanted to dominate the Indian Ocean but lacked the capability. The new strategy – backed by a 200-ship fleet – is to project sea power not just into the Indian Ocean but the Pacific as well.
The Indian Navy’s experience in striking land targets with small missile boats suggests the Talwars could be a game changer in the next conflict. In the 1971 War, India’s Russian built boats had set fire to Karachi in the first days of the war.
On the night of 4 December, 1971 – just 48 hours after the war started – the navy’s Osa class missile boats carried out their first attack on Karachi. But owing to a mix of confusion and lack of coordination, only a couple of Styx missiles were launched towards Karachi. Still, the boats sank two Pakistan Navy warships and crippled a third. They also destroyed a Pakistani merchant vessel bringing ammunition from an American depot in Saigon. Had the missile boats released all their missiles, the destruction could have been massive.
The navy launched a second attack on Karachi on the night of 8 December. This time, it lost one ship, INS Khukri, but the rest rained hell on the city, with the Styx missiles setting fire to the tanker farms and lighting up the night sky. Karachi burned for a week. Admiral S.M. Nanda described it as the “world’s biggest bonfire”.
Despite their spectacular performance, the vessels proved to be a logistical nightmare. Because of their short range, the boats had to be towed by tugs all the way from their Mumbai base to the rendezvous point near Porbandar, Gujarat.
Also, the crews had to experience heart stopping moments during the attack. The Pakistan Navy’s advanced shore based radars – provided by the Americans – spotted the Indian missile boats as soon as they entered the harbour. This alerted the Pakistani coastal defence units. Consequently, after firing their missiles, the Indian boats had to make a hasty retreat as Pakistani ships and shore-based aircraft were looking for them. Lacking speed – because they were meant for coastal defence rather than hit and run attacks – the Osa’s barely made it to the safety of Indian waters.
The Talwars being partly stealthy and won’t be easily detected by enemy radar. Equipped with self-defence guns, missiles and chaff, they won’t be as defenceless as the Osas either.
Force multiplier missiles
What gives a modern warship teeth are its missiles – in the Talwar’s case it is the partly supersonic Klub missile. This sought after missile is the export version of the 2500 km range Kaliber which Russia used with devastating effect against the Islamic State as well as US-backed terror groups in Syria.
Although the Klub version’s range is limited by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) to 300 km, it is more than enough to strike at coastal targets from well within international waters. Plus, if the frigates are provided cover by carrier based MiG-29s or land based Su-30 MKIs, then they would be able to strike from even closer range.
The interesting fact about the Klub’s flight is that for the majority of its trajectory it travels at a high subsonic speed. Initially the missile flies at an altitude of 30-45 feet above the sea surface. Approximately 60 km away from the designated target, the Klub descends to 15 ft and accelerates to supersonic speed before smashing into the target. Because of their immense kinetic energy, Russian missiles of this class have cut warships into half during testing. It also makes them almost invulnerable to defensive counter measures.
Some of the Talwars will eventually be equipped with the even more potent BrahMos missile. Because they are built by an India-Russia 50-50 joint venture at home, the Indian Navy is assured an endless supply of these supersonic missiles.
As far as range is concerned, the Russians may well spring a surprise and offer India the longer range Kaliber version. This may not be as farfetched as it sounds. The Russians have often ignored western protests and offered India their latest defence technology.
For instance, Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyenia provided the supersonic engine for BrahMos in complete secrecy to circumvent sabotage by the West. BrahMos Corp CEO A. Sivathanu Pillai reveals in his fascinating book ‘The Path Unexplored’ that NPO Mashinostroyenia also provided crucial assistance in the development of the Akash surface to air missile and a number of other areas in missile development. Similarly, Russian assistance with India’s heavy lift GSLV rocket is too well documented to be repeated here.
In keeping with MTCR guidelines the BrahMos was limited to a range of 300 km. But according to the company the next generation of the missile will not be limited by the discriminatory MTCR. A 1000 km range supersonic BrahMos would allow the Indian Navy to destroy hardened Pakistani military targets within the first few minutes of a war. The ensuing destruction would be an order of magnitude greater than what the US Tomahawks wreaked in downtown Baghdad in 2003.
And now the bad news
The only potentially problematic issue with the Talwar deal is the ship’s engine, which is built in Ukraine. Initially, the Ukrainians refused to work with Russia, but subsequently are said to have agreed to supply the engines if they are meant for use by the Indian Navy.
Ukrainian involvement could be a tricky affair. The engines will need to be serviced at some point in time and if Ukraine is flat broke or simply decides to play spoiler – at American instigation, in order to make Russia look unreliable – the Indian Navy could be staring down the abyss.
A major crisis involving Ukraine erupted in April 2015 when the Ukrainians – believe it or not – lost five AN-32 transport planes belonging to the Indian Air Force. These aircraft were part of a batch of 40 AN-32s that had been sent to Ukraine’s state-owned Ukrspetsexport for upgrades and refurbishment.
The remaining 64 An-32s were to be upgraded at the IAF’s Kanpur air force base, under a technology transfer from Ukraine, but the planned upgrade was halted as Ukrainian engineers departed and supplies of spare parts stopped.
A diplomat from the Ukraine embassy told the Indian side that the IAF must resolve this issue with Ukrspetsexport, and that the Ukrainian government “cannot help”.
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/talwar-frigates-stealth-ships-that-could-sink-pakistan/
High octane defence deals are often the most exciting part of India-Russia summits. Not surprisingly, global attention is focused on the S-400 missile defence system and the PAK-FA stealth fighter during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s current visit to Moscow. However, if India ever goes to war, the first strike is likely to be dealt by the Krivak III (Talwar) class stealth frigates.
India and Russia are circling around a $3 billion contract for new Talwar class frigates. In line with the Modi government’s Make in India push, the production of these frigates will involve an Indian partner, most likely Pipavav Shipyard owned by the Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group.
Sword Arm Of The Navy
Frigates are small when compared with top of the line destroyers, but as the Russian Navy proved in its ongoing war against the Islamic State, small ships armed with long-range missiles can deliver a knockout blow early on in a conflict.
The Talwars have a displacement of just 4000 tons – the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya has a displacement of 45,000 tons – but with a speed of 32 knots they are among the fastest vessels in the ocean. They are capable of accomplishing a wide scale of missions in the ocean, primarily, finding and eliminating submarines and large surface ships.
Says Defence News:
India had earlier procured six vessels of this class in two different batches and has been very pleased with the performance of the 4000 tonne state of the art frigates which pack a lot of firepower in comparison to their size.
Opinions differ as to Talwar’s stealth capabilities. According to Global Security, these missile frigates represent the cutting edge of technology in stealth, reach and punch-
They have ushered in highly automated integrated weapon platforms that are essential for blue water operations by the Indian Navy. Commissioning of these new frigates not only enhances India’s defensive potential at sea but also dramatically affects the power equations in Asia.
However, Defense Industry Daily (DID) believes the Talwars are not full-on stealth warships-
They’re best described as mid-range multi-role frigates, with some stealth features and a potential emphasis on anti-submarine work…
DID adds-
Talwar class ships like the Navy’s existing INS Talwar (Sword), INS Trishul (Trident), and INS Tabar (Axe) can carry 14 vertically-launched Klub missiles, though the new Teg (Saber), Tarkash (Quiver), and Trikand (Bow) are fitted for eight of the much larger supersonic BrahMos anti-ship missiles instead. They will be also equipped with a Russian 100mm gun, a Shtil air defence system external link (upgraded SA-N-7), 2 Kashtan SA-N-11 air defence gun/missile systems, four 533mm torpedo tubes, and a Ka-28 anti-submarine warfare helicopter.
Game changer
In his book, ‘The Sea Power of the State’, Admiral Sergei Gorshkov, who transformed the Russian Navy into a global force, wrote:
Naval warfare aimed directly against land targets will play an ever greater part in any future major conflict.
The Talwar class frigates will play a key role in India’s new Maritime Strategy 2015 that aims to dominate the blue waters and strike on land. For decades India has wanted to dominate the Indian Ocean but lacked the capability. The new strategy – backed by a 200-ship fleet – is to project sea power not just into the Indian Ocean but the Pacific as well.
The Indian Navy’s experience in striking land targets with small missile boats suggests the Talwars could be a game changer in the next conflict. In the 1971 War, India’s Russian built boats had set fire to Karachi in the first days of the war.
On the night of 4 December, 1971 – just 48 hours after the war started – the navy’s Osa class missile boats carried out their first attack on Karachi. But owing to a mix of confusion and lack of coordination, only a couple of Styx missiles were launched towards Karachi. Still, the boats sank two Pakistan Navy warships and crippled a third. They also destroyed a Pakistani merchant vessel bringing ammunition from an American depot in Saigon. Had the missile boats released all their missiles, the destruction could have been massive.
The navy launched a second attack on Karachi on the night of 8 December. This time, it lost one ship, INS Khukri, but the rest rained hell on the city, with the Styx missiles setting fire to the tanker farms and lighting up the night sky. Karachi burned for a week. Admiral S.M. Nanda described it as the “world’s biggest bonfire”.
Despite their spectacular performance, the vessels proved to be a logistical nightmare. Because of their short range, the boats had to be towed by tugs all the way from their Mumbai base to the rendezvous point near Porbandar, Gujarat.
Also, the crews had to experience heart stopping moments during the attack. The Pakistan Navy’s advanced shore based radars – provided by the Americans – spotted the Indian missile boats as soon as they entered the harbour. This alerted the Pakistani coastal defence units. Consequently, after firing their missiles, the Indian boats had to make a hasty retreat as Pakistani ships and shore-based aircraft were looking for them. Lacking speed – because they were meant for coastal defence rather than hit and run attacks – the Osa’s barely made it to the safety of Indian waters.
The Talwars being partly stealthy and won’t be easily detected by enemy radar. Equipped with self-defence guns, missiles and chaff, they won’t be as defenceless as the Osas either.
Force multiplier missiles
What gives a modern warship teeth are its missiles – in the Talwar’s case it is the partly supersonic Klub missile. This sought after missile is the export version of the 2500 km range Kaliber which Russia used with devastating effect against the Islamic State as well as US-backed terror groups in Syria.
Although the Klub version’s range is limited by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) to 300 km, it is more than enough to strike at coastal targets from well within international waters. Plus, if the frigates are provided cover by carrier based MiG-29s or land based Su-30 MKIs, then they would be able to strike from even closer range.
The interesting fact about the Klub’s flight is that for the majority of its trajectory it travels at a high subsonic speed. Initially the missile flies at an altitude of 30-45 feet above the sea surface. Approximately 60 km away from the designated target, the Klub descends to 15 ft and accelerates to supersonic speed before smashing into the target. Because of their immense kinetic energy, Russian missiles of this class have cut warships into half during testing. It also makes them almost invulnerable to defensive counter measures.
Some of the Talwars will eventually be equipped with the even more potent BrahMos missile. Because they are built by an India-Russia 50-50 joint venture at home, the Indian Navy is assured an endless supply of these supersonic missiles.
As far as range is concerned, the Russians may well spring a surprise and offer India the longer range Kaliber version. This may not be as farfetched as it sounds. The Russians have often ignored western protests and offered India their latest defence technology.
For instance, Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyenia provided the supersonic engine for BrahMos in complete secrecy to circumvent sabotage by the West. BrahMos Corp CEO A. Sivathanu Pillai reveals in his fascinating book ‘The Path Unexplored’ that NPO Mashinostroyenia also provided crucial assistance in the development of the Akash surface to air missile and a number of other areas in missile development. Similarly, Russian assistance with India’s heavy lift GSLV rocket is too well documented to be repeated here.
In keeping with MTCR guidelines the BrahMos was limited to a range of 300 km. But according to the company the next generation of the missile will not be limited by the discriminatory MTCR. A 1000 km range supersonic BrahMos would allow the Indian Navy to destroy hardened Pakistani military targets within the first few minutes of a war. The ensuing destruction would be an order of magnitude greater than what the US Tomahawks wreaked in downtown Baghdad in 2003.
And now the bad news
The only potentially problematic issue with the Talwar deal is the ship’s engine, which is built in Ukraine. Initially, the Ukrainians refused to work with Russia, but subsequently are said to have agreed to supply the engines if they are meant for use by the Indian Navy.
Ukrainian involvement could be a tricky affair. The engines will need to be serviced at some point in time and if Ukraine is flat broke or simply decides to play spoiler – at American instigation, in order to make Russia look unreliable – the Indian Navy could be staring down the abyss.
A major crisis involving Ukraine erupted in April 2015 when the Ukrainians – believe it or not – lost five AN-32 transport planes belonging to the Indian Air Force. These aircraft were part of a batch of 40 AN-32s that had been sent to Ukraine’s state-owned Ukrspetsexport for upgrades and refurbishment.
The remaining 64 An-32s were to be upgraded at the IAF’s Kanpur air force base, under a technology transfer from Ukraine, but the planned upgrade was halted as Ukrainian engineers departed and supplies of spare parts stopped.
A diplomat from the Ukraine embassy told the Indian side that the IAF must resolve this issue with Ukrspetsexport, and that the Ukrainian government “cannot help”.
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/talwar-frigates-stealth-ships-that-could-sink-pakistan/
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16306/Russia_To_Resolve_Supply_Of_Three_Frigates_To_India_By_Year_End#.V1rtqdTbsdV
Russia hopes to resolve the unfinished sale the patrol ships to India by year end. Russia could not be supply all the six frigates to India as per the deal as Ukraine stopped supply of engines for the frigates after ties with Kiev plummeted.
The issue of a possible sale of project 11356 patrol ships of the Indian Navy in the Baltic Shipyard “Yantar” could be resolved by the end of the year, Rear Admiral Vladimir Triapichnikov, head of the Russian Navy ship, was quoted as saying by Ria Novosti on Tuesday.
Power plants for the six project 11356 patrol ships, built in the “Yantar factory, were supplied by the Ukrainian enterprise “Zorya-Mashproekt”. The ‘Yantar’ shipyard only got engines for three frigates because, after the deterioration in Russia-Ukraine political relations, Kiev froze all military-technical cooperation with Moscow.
“In the second set of three ships the issue will be solved definitively most likely by the end of the year. Yes, we have a few problems with energy, but they are now being solved quite successfully, at Saturn in the city of Rybinsk. In 2017, energy products will be supplied for these ships and they will be equipped with modern gas turbine systems,” said Triapichnikov.
He said that “Yantar” continues specific technical work on completion of the ships from the second set of three.
According to the Ministry of Defence, the “Yantar” shipyard must build a series of six Project 11356 patrol ships, developed by JSC “Northern Design Bureau”.
Russia hopes to resolve the unfinished sale the patrol ships to India by year end. Russia could not be supply all the six frigates to India as per the deal as Ukraine stopped supply of engines for the frigates after ties with Kiev plummeted.
The issue of a possible sale of project 11356 patrol ships of the Indian Navy in the Baltic Shipyard “Yantar” could be resolved by the end of the year, Rear Admiral Vladimir Triapichnikov, head of the Russian Navy ship, was quoted as saying by Ria Novosti on Tuesday.
Power plants for the six project 11356 patrol ships, built in the “Yantar factory, were supplied by the Ukrainian enterprise “Zorya-Mashproekt”. The ‘Yantar’ shipyard only got engines for three frigates because, after the deterioration in Russia-Ukraine political relations, Kiev froze all military-technical cooperation with Moscow.
“In the second set of three ships the issue will be solved definitively most likely by the end of the year. Yes, we have a few problems with energy, but they are now being solved quite successfully, at Saturn in the city of Rybinsk. In 2017, energy products will be supplied for these ships and they will be equipped with modern gas turbine systems,” said Triapichnikov.
He said that “Yantar” continues specific technical work on completion of the ships from the second set of three.
According to the Ministry of Defence, the “Yantar” shipyard must build a series of six Project 11356 patrol ships, developed by JSC “Northern Design Bureau”.
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
The issue of a possible sale of project 11356 patrol ships of the Indian Navy in the Baltic Shipyard “Yantar” could be resolved by the end of the year, Rear Admiral Vladimir Triapichnikov, head of the Russian Navy ship, told reporters on Tuesday.
Power plants for the six project 11356 patrol ships, built in the “Yantar factory, were supplied by the Ukrainian enterprise “Zorya-Mashproekt”. The ‘Yantar’ shipyard only got engines for three frigates because, after the deterioration in Russia-Ukraine political relations, Kiev froze all military-technical cooperation with Moscow.
“In the second set of three ships the issue will be solved definitively most likely by the end of the year. Yes, we have a few problems with energy, but they are now being solved quite successfully, at Saturn in the city of Rybinsk. In 2017, energy products will be supplied for these ships and they will be equipped with modern gas turbine systems,” said Triapichnikov.
He said that “Yantar” continues specific technical work on completion of the ships from the second set of three.
According to the Ministry of Defence, the “Yantar” shipyard must build a series of six Project 11356 patrol ships, developed by JSC “Northern Design Bureau”. The lead ship of the “Admiral Grigorovich” series was delivered to the customer in March 2016. On Tuesday, the transfer of the second ship of the “Admiral Essen” series took place at the plant, the third ship in the series, “Admiral Makarov,” is planned for transfer by the end of the year.
Russia had earlier built two lots of three ships for India. The first three frigates were built in 1999-2004. In July 2013 the “Yantar” Shipyard gave the Indian Navy the project Trikand frigate (“Luk”); in 2012, India received two ships of that type; Teg (“Saber”) and Tarkash (“Quiver”).
http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/06/09/unfinished-indian-frigates-sale-could-be-resolved-by-year-end_601577
Power plants for the six project 11356 patrol ships, built in the “Yantar factory, were supplied by the Ukrainian enterprise “Zorya-Mashproekt”. The ‘Yantar’ shipyard only got engines for three frigates because, after the deterioration in Russia-Ukraine political relations, Kiev froze all military-technical cooperation with Moscow.
“In the second set of three ships the issue will be solved definitively most likely by the end of the year. Yes, we have a few problems with energy, but they are now being solved quite successfully, at Saturn in the city of Rybinsk. In 2017, energy products will be supplied for these ships and they will be equipped with modern gas turbine systems,” said Triapichnikov.
He said that “Yantar” continues specific technical work on completion of the ships from the second set of three.
According to the Ministry of Defence, the “Yantar” shipyard must build a series of six Project 11356 patrol ships, developed by JSC “Northern Design Bureau”. The lead ship of the “Admiral Grigorovich” series was delivered to the customer in March 2016. On Tuesday, the transfer of the second ship of the “Admiral Essen” series took place at the plant, the third ship in the series, “Admiral Makarov,” is planned for transfer by the end of the year.
Russia had earlier built two lots of three ships for India. The first three frigates were built in 1999-2004. In July 2013 the “Yantar” Shipyard gave the Indian Navy the project Trikand frigate (“Luk”); in 2012, India received two ships of that type; Teg (“Saber”) and Tarkash (“Quiver”).
http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/06/09/unfinished-indian-frigates-sale-could-be-resolved-by-year-end_601577
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
An Indian naval submarine ‘Sindhukesari’ is in the “Zvezdochka” shipyard in Severodvinsk for a refit and comprehensive set of repairs.
The Indian Naval Ship ‘Sindhukesari’ has reached the Russian “Zvezdochka” shipyard (in the city of Severodvinsk on the White Sea) to be repaired and upgraded. Shipbuilders have added this order to their heavy workload. The “Sindhukesari” is a diesel-electric submarine.
The ‘Sindhukesari’ it did not come by itself, but was taken on board a Dutch built dock ship “Rolldock Star.” “The transition began on May 6” the press service of the press Centre for “Zvezdochka” ship repairs told RIR The route ran through the Indian Ocean, around the southern tip of Africa and across the Atlantic, North Sea, Barents and White seas. “
The dock ship entered the port of Severodvinsk on June 15. Over the coming days, the official representative of the shipyard Eugene Gladyshev said, the transport dock will be unloaded. After completion of border and customs formalities, the Indian submarine will be raised from the water and placed in the dock - chamber. The main work will be carried out in the renovated slipway. According to the contract, 27 months will be required on repairs with modernization.
The “Sindhukesari” is the sixth submarine of those that were built in Russia as part of project 877EKM. They have been in active combat duty in the Indian Navy and, after the appointed time, they have come to “Zvezdochka” to refresh and extend the submarines’ service life. Since 1997, the Indian naval ships, “Sindhuvir”, “Sindhuratna”, “Sindhugosh”, “Sindhuvijay” and “Sindhurakshak” have undergone a similar procedure. For repair and modernization of another Indian submarine, the “Sindhukirti”, a team from Severodvinsk went to Vizakhapatnam, where the vessel was based.
A second set of intermediate repairs will be performed on the ‘Sindhukesari,’ which was built in 1988 at the “Admiralty Shipyards” in Leningrad. The first submarine upgrade was completed by the St. Petersburg shipbuilders. Now, a similar submarine with a modern Russian system of “Caliber” cruise missiles (export version – “Club-S”) with a range of around 200 km will be integrated along with the replacement of used mechanisms.
The decision to send the Russian-made submarine for repairs away from the Navy is not a simple matter for New Delhi. Taking into account the adopted national programme “Make in India,” that is gathering strength, it is twice as hard. Two of the four Indian submarines have already been included in the programme of factory repairs with modernization and will be refitted at home, in Indian shipyards with technical participation and the help of the Russian team from “Zvezdochka”. The issue of another one remains open.
A diesel-electric submarine “Sindhukesari”, as stipulated in the contract between the CA “Zvezdochka” and the Indian Ministry of Defence of October 14, 2015, has been delivered for repair in Severodvinsk. The comprehensive solution will reduce the total repair time and allow all four submarines to return into the combat structure of the Indian Navy.
Underwater boats that are part of the 887EKM project are designed in “Rubin” CDB for Marine Engineering (St. Petersburg) and are designed to combat submarines and enemy ships, and to defend naval bases, coastal and marine communications, reconnaissance and patrol activities. Their displacement is 2300 tons, length is 72.6 m, the submerged speed is 19 knots and the dive depth is 300 metres. The crew consists of 52 people, cruising time is 45 days. The armaments consist of six torpedo tubes of 533 mm calibre, which allow the launch of torpedoes, rockets, missiles and sea mines.
https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/06/17/ins-sindhukesari-up-for-repairs-in-russian-shipyard_603865
The Indian Naval Ship ‘Sindhukesari’ has reached the Russian “Zvezdochka” shipyard (in the city of Severodvinsk on the White Sea) to be repaired and upgraded. Shipbuilders have added this order to their heavy workload. The “Sindhukesari” is a diesel-electric submarine.
The ‘Sindhukesari’ it did not come by itself, but was taken on board a Dutch built dock ship “Rolldock Star.” “The transition began on May 6” the press service of the press Centre for “Zvezdochka” ship repairs told RIR The route ran through the Indian Ocean, around the southern tip of Africa and across the Atlantic, North Sea, Barents and White seas. “
The dock ship entered the port of Severodvinsk on June 15. Over the coming days, the official representative of the shipyard Eugene Gladyshev said, the transport dock will be unloaded. After completion of border and customs formalities, the Indian submarine will be raised from the water and placed in the dock - chamber. The main work will be carried out in the renovated slipway. According to the contract, 27 months will be required on repairs with modernization.
The “Sindhukesari” is the sixth submarine of those that were built in Russia as part of project 877EKM. They have been in active combat duty in the Indian Navy and, after the appointed time, they have come to “Zvezdochka” to refresh and extend the submarines’ service life. Since 1997, the Indian naval ships, “Sindhuvir”, “Sindhuratna”, “Sindhugosh”, “Sindhuvijay” and “Sindhurakshak” have undergone a similar procedure. For repair and modernization of another Indian submarine, the “Sindhukirti”, a team from Severodvinsk went to Vizakhapatnam, where the vessel was based.
A second set of intermediate repairs will be performed on the ‘Sindhukesari,’ which was built in 1988 at the “Admiralty Shipyards” in Leningrad. The first submarine upgrade was completed by the St. Petersburg shipbuilders. Now, a similar submarine with a modern Russian system of “Caliber” cruise missiles (export version – “Club-S”) with a range of around 200 km will be integrated along with the replacement of used mechanisms.
The decision to send the Russian-made submarine for repairs away from the Navy is not a simple matter for New Delhi. Taking into account the adopted national programme “Make in India,” that is gathering strength, it is twice as hard. Two of the four Indian submarines have already been included in the programme of factory repairs with modernization and will be refitted at home, in Indian shipyards with technical participation and the help of the Russian team from “Zvezdochka”. The issue of another one remains open.
A diesel-electric submarine “Sindhukesari”, as stipulated in the contract between the CA “Zvezdochka” and the Indian Ministry of Defence of October 14, 2015, has been delivered for repair in Severodvinsk. The comprehensive solution will reduce the total repair time and allow all four submarines to return into the combat structure of the Indian Navy.
Underwater boats that are part of the 887EKM project are designed in “Rubin” CDB for Marine Engineering (St. Petersburg) and are designed to combat submarines and enemy ships, and to defend naval bases, coastal and marine communications, reconnaissance and patrol activities. Their displacement is 2300 tons, length is 72.6 m, the submerged speed is 19 knots and the dive depth is 300 metres. The crew consists of 52 people, cruising time is 45 days. The armaments consist of six torpedo tubes of 533 mm calibre, which allow the launch of torpedoes, rockets, missiles and sea mines.
https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/06/17/ins-sindhukesari-up-for-repairs-in-russian-shipyard_603865
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
The 17th India-Russia Annual Summit in Goa on Saturday illustrated Moscow’s continuing clout as a pre-eminent defence partner for India. Among the summit highlights was a multi-billion dollar agreement for three-four Krivak-III frigates to add to the six that the Indian Navy already operates;
http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/all-you-wanted-to-know-about-the-india-russia-defence-deals-116101500526_1.html
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-russia-brics-deals-idINKBN12F0EG
http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/all-you-wanted-to-know-about-the-india-russia-defence-deals-116101500526_1.html
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-russia-brics-deals-idINKBN12F0EG
Pinto- Posts : 987
Points : 1040
Join date : 2015-05-16
Location : India
On Sidelines of BRICS Summit in Goa , India agreed to buy from Russia 4 Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate on special request of the Russian government. Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate was the first casualty in Russian-Ukrainian conflict over Crimea after Ukraine refused to supply Zorya-Mashproyekt gas-turbine propulsion plant for last three ships.
History
Russian Navy had placed orders for Six Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates (Project 11356M) from Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad.
Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates are based on the India’s Talwar-class frigate specially built for Indian Navy last of INS Trikand (F51) was delivered to India in 2008 .
Grigorovich like Talwar-class frigates were built and designed accommodating Ukraine’s Zorya designed and Mashproekt manufactured M7N.1E gas turbine plant which comprises two DS-71 cruise turbines and two DT-59 boost turbines .
After Crimea, fallout Ukraine suspended all defence ties with Russia due to which lead ship Admiral Grigorovich and second ship Admiral Essen which were earlier inducted remained in service with Russian Navy but 3rd ship Admiral Makarov is still carrying out sea trials and all three ships due to Ukrainian engines might be of limited operational usage to Russian Navy until they are re-engined with Russian alternative which might be ready only by 2020.
Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin which are fourth and fifth ships are almost ready but without engines are of no use for Russian Navy and with their indigenous alternative likely to emerge only by 2020, the Russian government made a special request to India to purchase them at special discounted price since India already operates its predecessor Talwar class frigates.
Work on Admiral Kornilov last ship is yet to commence but the basic hull of which was already ready will be transferred to India so that it can be completed in Indian shipyard with Russian assistance , while
India will also develop one more Grigorovich class frigate in India from scratch.
Deal
India will get Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin frigates which have completed constructions and will make two more at Indian shipyard and will complete construction of uncompleted Admiral Kornilov .
India and Ukraine will enter into a separate contract for supply of M7N.1E gas turbine plants which will be re-engined in India , in short, both Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin frigates will be exported to India without engines since Ukraine has refused to let New Delhi transfer this engines to Russia for Integration in this frigates and Ukraine has agreed to send Special team to India for their integration and has offered full spare support, warranty and propulsion system components which will be supplied directly by Ukraine.
Admiral Grigorovich vs Talwar class
Both frigates measures 124.8m in overall length and 15.2m in width and can complement a crew of 200. Due to technological advancement Admiral Grigorovich-class incorporates a much improved stealthy hull design when compared to Talwars and hull ,superstructures all have been designed to have much improved low radar, acoustic and infrared signatures.
Since Grigorovich frigates were meant for Russian Navy and not built for Export client , there was no downgrade in design quality but some Russian pieces of equipment which are sensitive to Russian Navy might be removed before export to India.
Fire Power
Grigorovich frigates are armed with the Club-N anti-ship missile system. The missiles are launched by eight-cell 3S-14E under-deck launcher complemented by 3R-14N-11356 fire control system and 3C-25E acquisition radar.
Frigate can also accommodate Russian Kalibr land-attack cruise missile, anti-ship missile and anti-submarine missile developed by the Novator Design Bureau, which according to media reports has been requested by New Delhi but it is still not clear if India will be getting them but Frigates on India’s request will come equipped with VLS launched BrahMos, anti-ship and land attack cruise missiles.
Frigates will also come with 3S90M Shtil-1 and Igla-1E which are surface-to-air missile systems to provide Air defence for the Frigates against cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles, Indo-Israeli developed LR-SAM Air Defence missiles might be accommodated at a later stage .
http://idrw.org/indias-latest-admiral-grigorovich-class-frigate-deal-explained/#more-112690 .
History
Russian Navy had placed orders for Six Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates (Project 11356M) from Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad.
Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates are based on the India’s Talwar-class frigate specially built for Indian Navy last of INS Trikand (F51) was delivered to India in 2008 .
Grigorovich like Talwar-class frigates were built and designed accommodating Ukraine’s Zorya designed and Mashproekt manufactured M7N.1E gas turbine plant which comprises two DS-71 cruise turbines and two DT-59 boost turbines .
After Crimea, fallout Ukraine suspended all defence ties with Russia due to which lead ship Admiral Grigorovich and second ship Admiral Essen which were earlier inducted remained in service with Russian Navy but 3rd ship Admiral Makarov is still carrying out sea trials and all three ships due to Ukrainian engines might be of limited operational usage to Russian Navy until they are re-engined with Russian alternative which might be ready only by 2020.
Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin which are fourth and fifth ships are almost ready but without engines are of no use for Russian Navy and with their indigenous alternative likely to emerge only by 2020, the Russian government made a special request to India to purchase them at special discounted price since India already operates its predecessor Talwar class frigates.
Work on Admiral Kornilov last ship is yet to commence but the basic hull of which was already ready will be transferred to India so that it can be completed in Indian shipyard with Russian assistance , while
India will also develop one more Grigorovich class frigate in India from scratch.
Deal
India will get Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin frigates which have completed constructions and will make two more at Indian shipyard and will complete construction of uncompleted Admiral Kornilov .
India and Ukraine will enter into a separate contract for supply of M7N.1E gas turbine plants which will be re-engined in India , in short, both Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin frigates will be exported to India without engines since Ukraine has refused to let New Delhi transfer this engines to Russia for Integration in this frigates and Ukraine has agreed to send Special team to India for their integration and has offered full spare support, warranty and propulsion system components which will be supplied directly by Ukraine.
Admiral Grigorovich vs Talwar class
Both frigates measures 124.8m in overall length and 15.2m in width and can complement a crew of 200. Due to technological advancement Admiral Grigorovich-class incorporates a much improved stealthy hull design when compared to Talwars and hull ,superstructures all have been designed to have much improved low radar, acoustic and infrared signatures.
Since Grigorovich frigates were meant for Russian Navy and not built for Export client , there was no downgrade in design quality but some Russian pieces of equipment which are sensitive to Russian Navy might be removed before export to India.
Fire Power
Grigorovich frigates are armed with the Club-N anti-ship missile system. The missiles are launched by eight-cell 3S-14E under-deck launcher complemented by 3R-14N-11356 fire control system and 3C-25E acquisition radar.
Frigate can also accommodate Russian Kalibr land-attack cruise missile, anti-ship missile and anti-submarine missile developed by the Novator Design Bureau, which according to media reports has been requested by New Delhi but it is still not clear if India will be getting them but Frigates on India’s request will come equipped with VLS launched BrahMos, anti-ship and land attack cruise missiles.
Frigates will also come with 3S90M Shtil-1 and Igla-1E which are surface-to-air missile systems to provide Air defence for the Frigates against cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles, Indo-Israeli developed LR-SAM Air Defence missiles might be accommodated at a later stage .
http://idrw.org/indias-latest-admiral-grigorovich-class-frigate-deal-explained/#more-112690 .