Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

stealthfanker wrote:As far as i know,Russia only possess one active vessel at this class,the famous Peter the Great,it's a monster considering its armament and size,you can never find another vessel in NATO similar to it.However,there are three more vessel which are moored and in idle at Russia port,it's very sad to see this look,what a powerful and beautiful vessel.I wonder when they would be refitted and put into active service again,or even if they would be refitted?The reason why I asked this is I always heard Russia officials made statements in the past few years related to the issues of refit of the three vessels...Greeting from China.

TR1 wrote:

stealthfanker wrote:As far as i know,Russia only possess one active vessel at this class,the famous Peter the Great,it's a monster considering its armament and size,you can never find another vessel in NATO similar to it.However,there are three more vessel which are moored and in idle at Russia port,it's very sad to see this look,what a powerful and beautiful vessel.I wonder when they would be refitted and put into active service again,or even if they would be refitted?The reason why I asked this is I always heard Russia officials made statements in the past few years related to the issues of refit of the three vessels...Greeting from China.

Like you said, Peter the Great is in service.
Nakhimov is in by far the best shape of the other three, and is being actively worked on- it will soon go into the Sevmash "dry-dock" and a modernization project will be designed.

Now the question becomes a lot more difficult with the other two. IMO, very unlikely they will return. Ushakov was retired many years ago, and is peered nearby. Lazarev has been placed in reserve in the Pacific, but it has basically been rotting away since. They are both in far worse condition than Nakhimov.

GarryB wrote:The UKSK is a universal launcher for land attack and anti ship and anti submarine cruise missiles.

Kalibr is a cruise missile for land attack and offers a capability no variant of Granit or Vulkan can match... the ability to target and hit land targets.

If there is a need to engage enemy surface vessels the Onyx is believed to fly at about mach 2.5-2.8 and have a flight range of between 500km and 700km... it is the missile the Yakhont is based upon.. but without the export restrictions.

Granit is no longer in production and is no longer an option.

The plan for the upgrade of the Kirovs is to add 10 UKSK launchers to allow those vessels to carry up to 80 heavy missiles... whether they are Kalibr, Klub, Onyx, Brahmos, or anti sub AS-15/16 rocket delivered torpedoes.

Other modifications can obviously be speculated... the naval Koalition 152mm gun mount is an obvious choice for artillery and Kashtan-M would be ideally replaced by Pantsir-S1 turret mounts.
Rif and Rif-M would obviously be replaced with Vityaz and naval S-400 and of course likely S-500 too.

Much of that upgrade information is speculation on my part but the 80 tubes for UKSK has been mentioned by Russian officials.

One of the criticisms of the Soviet Navy was the range of different weapons and sensors and systems and propulsion... one of the things they are aiming for is standardisation so all vessels will receive UKSK launch bins... the size of the vessel will determine the number of systems, but all will be standard.

If we saved the Akulas too; there wouldn't even any need for the Kuznetsov carrier right now; it could be undergoing modernisation at port where it belongs.

ali.a.r wrote:

If we saved the Akulas too; there wouldn't even any need for the Kuznetsov carrier right now; it could be undergoing modernisation at port where it belongs.

How would subs compensate the role of a carrier?

Viktor wrote:Admiral Nakimov modernization will be done by 2018-2019

"Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the Russian Navy in 2018-2019 gg.

Modernization nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will introduce a modern Navy missile ship already in the years 2018-2019,
 at a price slightly higher than the planned cost of the new destroyer.

George1 wrote:

Viktor wrote:Admiral Nakimov modernization will be done by 2018-2019

"Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the Russian Navy in 2018-2019 gg.

Modernization nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will introduce a modern Navy missile ship already in the years 2018-2019,
 at a price slightly higher than the planned cost of the new destroyer.

what about admiral lazarev?

Viktor wrote:

GarryB wrote:This will be very interesting.

I suspect certain choices are obvious like the UKSK launcher bins for Calibre/Oniks/Yakhont/Moskit/Klub series AShM/LACM/ASW missiles.

Replacing Kashtan with Pantsir-S1 is logical, and Duet for the AK-630 gun turrets, while the SAM arrangement will also be interesting with the question of Redut probably replacing Rif and Rif-M, but will there be an upgraded TOR or just more Redut bins, and will they install Morfei. Another question regarding SAMs is will it carry naval S-500... or should I ask will naval S-500 be ready by 2018 or will it be added later? Will it be fitted to be able to carry a Ka-52 as well as Ka-32s and will other UAVs be added?

Otherwise the electronics and sensors and indeed powerplant might be a good indication of the sort of thing they will be putting on the Kuznetsov too.

I suspect a simpler power system might be worth looking at based on the new compact reactors they are developing for carriers, which should be smaller and more compact than the current boiler reactor arrangement.

Finally the guns... will it retain 130mm or go for 152mm or will there be a surprise and the 152s are for the Frigates and the new cruisers might be 203mm?

I suspect the 152s are probably long enough ranged to make them very useful with perhaps two twin turrets on the upgraded vessels and lots and lots of ammo.

Very good news all round.

Well we have confirmed Poliment- Redut

During the modernization of the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (TARKR) Project 1144 \"Orlan" "Admiral Nakhimov" will be installed multi-purpose missile system "Movement" and a new air defense system "polyment-Redoute", reported the online newspaper "The View" with reference to the representative of the Navy. wrote:" As a result, the cruiser will be a multi-purpose and will be able to strike with cruise missiles not only on surface and underwater targets, but also by shore-based facilities, "- he said to" Interfax "

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George1 wrote:

how many cells the UKSK launcher?

runaway wrote:

George1 wrote:

how many cells the UKSK launcher?

The consensus is about 80.

Btw i doubt all 4 Kirovs will be recommisioned, the original Kirov now Ushakov is in bad shape and it will cost an astronomical amount of money to bring her up to modern and operational status.

" According to sources in the General Staff of the Navy, the cruiser, in particular, will be equipped with attack missile complex "Movement"

Cyberspec wrote:It will probably depend on how well the upgrade turns out whether a second one gets upgraded