Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

Isos wrote:They were supposed to be lunch from the different ships in the same time against a naval group. Now that kirovs and Oscars won't carry it anymore, they are useless if you have only 16 of them on each slava that won't work togather as they are in different fleets. It is a big missile not as fast as oniks and it is not using stealth technologies. Their main advantage was complexe attack approch in big numbers. Using them with oniks will be more difficult because the speed is not the same ajd we don't know if they can communicate togather.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Isos wrote:They were supposed to be lunch from the different ships in the same time against a naval group. Now that kirovs and Oscars won't carry it anymore, they are useless if you have only 16 of them on each slava that won't work togather as they are in different fleets. It is a big missile not as fast as oniks and it is not using stealth technologies. Their main advantage was complexe attack approch in big numbers. Using them with oniks will be more difficult because the speed is not the same ajd we don't know if they can communicate togather.

They don't AFAIK pack with Oniks, only between themselves, though conceivable they could with Granit as both P-500/1000 and P-700 as both are products of NPO Mashinostroyeniye, so the flight control and targetting systems will be based on same technologies (for that matter, so is P-800 Oniks so I'd expect their salvos to operate similarly as well).

Vulkan flies at M2.5, about same as Granit/Onyx.  Agreed that its not stealthy, but what heavy AShMs are?  Finally, as I said, the P-1000 is most useful when an enemies defenses have been degraded due to previous attacks.  P-1000 (and P-700) is the sledge hammer you use when the enemy is reeling and ready for the killer punch.  One hit and the biggest flat-top is mission-dead, and that's gotta be a weapon worth keeping.

GarryB wrote:Indeed, the flight speed is comparable to the velocity of fragments in an explosion... a 400kg warhead would actually be more efficient in the form of 350kgs of incendiary fragments and a 50kg spreader charge that scatters the fragments on impact... the material then spreads and penetrates on its own simply from its own velocity...

Peŕrier wrote:Something flying at 5+ Mach, to perform a 45 degrees dive, would have in the first place to climb some hundreds if not thousand meters high before performing the dive, easing this way the work of interceptors.

Flying low just above sea level is key to make interception difficult, first because of clutter generated by sea surface, and second because any high -G manouvre from an intercepting missile at very low height could easily turn into the interceptor ditching itself into the sea.

AS-2 used to dive in the final course before hitting the target, and that flight pattern has been abandoned for very good reasons.

Trying to intercept a sea-skimming missile is a hell of a job even against subsonic missiles, doing against a high mach number one would be way more difficult than intercepting whatever try to dive from medium heights, no matters its speed.

archangelski wrote:https://i.imgur.com/zzZprBe.jpg

google translate wrote: "Given the fact that the Ministry of Defense made significant changes to the terms of reference, we, in general, now need to re-sign, probably, an additional agreement and continue to work on the basis of the additions already made." I can not say anything more, "- said A. Rakhmanov on the sidelines of the industrial exhibition "Innoprom".
"Now we will understand how the amount of modernization will change, I mean already on the basis of the contract, we will continue working on it," A.Rakhmanov said

hoom wrote:

In context of contemplating not upgrading Moskva & apparently Poliment-Redut (which is supposed to be coming to Nakhimov) causing further delays on 22350 a cutback would seem likely.
On the other hand, money saved on Moskva could allow more for Nakhimov...

hoom wrote:Actually Severnaya Verf/USC is arguing that its done all the work needed, problem is between Navy & Almaz-Antey -> Navy should take Gorshkov off its hands and fully pay for the damn thing!

hoom wrote:Point is the shipyard isn't trying to hide behind Poliment-Redut issues.

The Russian Navy will receive a heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, which undergoes major overhaul with modernization at Sevmash in 2022. The general director of the enterprise, Mikhail Budnychenko, told TASS on Wednesday at the forum "Army-2018".

"Under the contract with USC in 2022, the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov should be transferred to the fleet, although there are some issues with funding, I hope, and I am even sure that they will be resolved soon," Budnichenko said.

He also said that the same-type heavy nuclear-powered cruiser "Peter the Great", which is in the combat composition of the Russian Navy, will undergo similar repairs with modernization not on Sevmash. "The cruiser will be repaired either in the center of the ship repair" Zvezdochka ", or at the Baltic plant," Budnichenko said.

Earlier, a source in the defense industry informed TASS that the work on the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov was delayed until 2022.

"Admiral Nakhimov" project 1144 "Orlan" until 1992 was called "Kalinin". It was laid on May 17, 1983 at the Baltic Shipyard. The ship was launched on April 25, 1986, and on December 30, 1988, it replenished the combat composition of the Russian Navy.

In the spring of 2013, a state contract was signed for the repair and modernization of the ship, which was delivered to the dry dock of Sevmash in the fall of 2014. As a result of modernization, the cruiser will have completely new tactical and technical characteristics.