Isos wrote:https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2015/07/21/for-nakhimovs-price/
this is from 2015
Isos wrote:https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2015/07/21/for-nakhimovs-price/
PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is disputing value of upgrading Kirovs. In fact I think that they should go extra mile and try to get third one back in use and upgrade it.
I know that it's in crappy condition but they should at least try to rebuilt and replace segments that are busted if they can.
Same goes for rest of the fleet, upgrade everything. At least they finally got around to upgrading Udalois instead of scraping them.
As for smaller new ships whole point is to put advanced weaponry on more manageable and numerous platforms.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is disputing value of upgrading Kirovs. In fact I think that they should go extra mile and try to get third one back in use and upgrade it.
I know that it's in crappy condition but they should at least try to rebuilt and replace segments that are busted if they can.
Same goes for rest of the fleet, upgrade everything. At least they finally got around to upgrading Udalois instead of scraping them.
As for smaller new ships whole point is to put advanced weaponry on more manageable and numerous platforms.
the third one that thing is a giant rust bucket, I've seen the shape it's in, it would be shocking if they decided to try and modernize it.
Isos wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is disputing value of upgrading Kirovs. In fact I think that they should go extra mile and try to get third one back in use and upgrade it.
I know that it's in crappy condition but they should at least try to rebuilt and replace segments that are busted if they can.
Same goes for rest of the fleet, upgrade everything. At least they finally got around to upgrading Udalois instead of scraping them.
As for smaller new ships whole point is to put advanced weaponry on more manageable and numerous platforms.
the third one that thing is a giant rust bucket, I've seen the shape it's in, it would be shocking if they decided to try and modernize it.
The look doesn't tell you if the ship is in good condition or not. There were some officials telling they could upgrade all of them so it means they are pretty good and rust could be taken off pretty easily even with coca cola ...
Structure should be intact as they are nuk ships so they were build with better quality than corvettes or frigates. The materials used are top quality. There was a post here of an official from shipyards telling that the iron used for them is one of the best produced.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:................
Lazarov was found to have a weak hull and would require extensive and expensive work to put it back into shape, so far the MoD has been unwilling to provide the vast funding the ship would need. .............
PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:................
Lazarov was found to have a weak hull and would require extensive and expensive work to put it back into shape, so far the MoD has been unwilling to provide the vast funding the ship would need. .............
What number are we talking about here?
Isos wrote:PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:................
Lazarov was found to have a weak hull and would require extensive and expensive work to put it back into shape, so far the MoD has been unwilling to provide the vast funding the ship would need. .............
What number are we talking about here?
Upgraded Kirov cruiser are or will be far better than Lider so if the price is less than building a Lider it's worth it.
PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:................
Lazarov was found to have a weak hull and would require extensive and expensive work to put it back into shape, so far the MoD has been unwilling to provide the vast funding the ship would need. .............
What number are we talking about here?
Isos wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is disputing value of upgrading Kirovs. In fact I think that they should go extra mile and try to get third one back in use and upgrade it.
I know that it's in crappy condition but they should at least try to rebuilt and replace segments that are busted if they can.
Same goes for rest of the fleet, upgrade everything. At least they finally got around to upgrading Udalois instead of scraping them.
As for smaller new ships whole point is to put advanced weaponry on more manageable and numerous platforms.
the third one that thing is a giant rust bucket, I've seen the shape it's in, it would be shocking if they decided to try and modernize it.
The look doesn't tell you if the ship is in good condition or not. There were some officials telling they could upgrade all of them so it means they are pretty good and rust could be taken off pretty easily even with coca cola ...
Structure should be intact as they are nuk ships so they were build with better quality than corvettes or frigates. The materials used are top quality. There was a post here of an official from shipyards telling that the iron used for them is one of the best produced.
hoom wrote:From recollection Nakhimov has wound up requiring significantly more structural repairs than was estimated.
Combined with the earlier conclusion after inspections that Nakhimov was in way better structural shape than Lazarev -> stick a fork in Lazarev (possibly literally).
Yuriy Borisov confirmed plans to send "Peter the Great" for modernization
According to the Information and Communications Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of 29.11.2017, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yury Borisov confirmed plans to send a heavy nuclear-powered nuclear cruiser Peter the Great to upgrade the flagship of the Northern Fleet.
"The strategic nuclear fleet, multipurpose submarines will develop, and the ships of the distant sea zone (heavy nuclear missile cruisers)" Admiral Nakhimov "and" Peter the Great "will be renovated and modernized. We have a lot of work to do, "the deputy head of the military department said at a meeting with the leadership of the Navy and representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation dedicated to the implementation of the State Defense Order of 2017.
According to Yuri Borisov, these works will be carried out within the framework of the new State Arms Program 2018-2027.
After the return to the combat composition of the Navy of the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, which is undergoing a profound modernization, modernization of the same type cruiser Peter the Great will begin, said the commander of the Northern Fleet, Vice Admiral Nikolai Evmenov.
Separately, I note that in the "Reference" section of this message, the Department of Information and Mass Communications has confirmed its reputation as a "reliable" source:
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"Admiral Nakhimov", in particular, will carry cruise missiles "Caliber". The ship will be equipped with a new anti-aircraft missile system "Police-Redut", its antiaircraft ammunition will be increased at times.
Militarov wrote:And from what i read before Lazarov is in quite bad shape.
Big_Gazza wrote:Militarov wrote:And from what i read before Lazarov is in quite bad shape.
Not sure about that. Lazarov looks rather sad and sorry while she was mothballed and cannabalised to keep her sisters operating, but only seemed to suffer from some weather staining and surface rust. Pics of her emerging from dry-dock for preservation work show her looking quite sound structurally.
Cyberspec wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:Militarov wrote:And from what i read before Lazarov is in quite bad shape.
Not sure about that. Lazarov looks rather sad and sorry while she was mothballed and cannabalised to keep her sisters operating, but only seemed to suffer from some weather staining and surface rust. Pics of her emerging from dry-dock for preservation work show her looking quite sound structurally.
According to a retired officer in a interview on the Kirov's, he claimed they were built to last 100 years (structurally speaking)
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Cyberspec wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:Militarov wrote:And from what i read before Lazarov is in quite bad shape.
Not sure about that. Lazarov looks rather sad and sorry while she was mothballed and cannabalised to keep her sisters operating, but only seemed to suffer from some weather staining and surface rust. Pics of her emerging from dry-dock for preservation work show her looking quite sound structurally.
According to a retired officer in a interview on the Kirov's, he claimed they were built to last 100 years (structurally speaking)
All ships look sound until you get inside of them, unless the things are keeling over you won't see a problem from the outside.
He "claims" claims are just that.
May I suggest that your claims are no better?SeigSoloyvov wrote:He "claims" claims are just that.
He "claims" claims are just that.
Tingsay wrote:
Not saying you are wrong but a good looking outside would most likely have a good inside since the outside is the most exposed to the elements, right?