Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

GarryB wrote:

According to reports, the cruiser will have 80 UKKS cells, 92 (probably) S-300FM air defense silos and 20 533-mm torpedoes or Vodopad PLUR, i.e. TARKR ammunition load will be 192 cruise and anti-ship missiles, missiles and missiles.

Would be 96 S-300FMs... essentially 12 launchers with 8 missiles each launcher...

S-300FM? Why not the naval version of the S-400 the Poliment Redut?

They appear to be using the existing (rotary) launcher for 96 missiles, which offers an effective range of 120km which is probably good enough at the moment.

Poliment Redut has nothing to do with S-400. It´s the naval version of the S-350. Or the other way around.

It is likely on destroyer and cruiser sized ships the Redut SAM system will be expanded to include S-400 based missiles as they mention 250km and 400km range missiles for use in Redut in the future. It would be a lot of work to create 250km and 400km range versions of 9M96 missiles.

I was always amazed by the waste of space the Rif-M represented just from the beginning, but that was probably done by purpose ...

My understanding was that there was a requirement to be able to access the missiles from below deck.

I would think newer missiles are electronically monitored and error checked remotely meaning cell arrays with no moving missile carousels are needed... meaning much more efficient use of available space... so their new cruisers and destroyers will be able to carry a lot more missiles in the same volume space.

ok sorry for mixing it up, but still the S-400 9M96E2 and 48N6DM should have a naval variant they can put on these ships?

The 9M96s are Redut and are already on some of their new corvettes and frigates.

Not sure they have the 250km and 400km range S-400s navalised yet... the operational missiles are 120km range weapons and they likely made quite a few of them.

I think we can expect a fairly substantial air defense upgrade on his ship - but I guess we'll have to wait for some more info.

There is enormous potential, but they might just want to keep the weapon upgrades to a reasonable level while they upgrade the sensors and electronics, perhaps testing new radar and sonar and other systems.

There would be a range of upgrade options from bugger all through to everything.... SAMs, UKSK launchers, Radar, Sonar, sensors, propulsion... they could test new big radar and sonar sets, and new nuclear propulsion systems and new missiles and also guns of all types.... ie new 57mm guns for CIWS as well as Pantsir and of course the new 152mm guns they worked on with the Army,  but I suspect this upgrade will not be enormous.

When the west fully rejects Russias requests for security guarantees then funding for the Navy might be boosted to assist their global interest in trade relations as an alternative to the west, but it might be another overhaul in perhaps 5 years time for some or all of these things.

ALAMO wrote:Because there is no need for it, while the action would require a serious rebuilding of the ship itself.
Including replacing of cabling, antennas etc.
This is extremely costly job.

S-300FM? Why not the naval version of the S-400 the Poliment Redut?

ALAMO wrote:
Rif-M can be upgraded up to PMU2 standard, and use 9M96/E/E2 missiles. Or maybe we will see something that is Rif-M by the name only.
Let's wait&see.

The S-300 and the S-400 launch tube geometrically the same, as far as I know.

Replacing the Rif would require new antennas for a new radar system, and that is not an easy task.

Rif-M can be upgraded up to PMU2 standard, and use 9M96/E/E2 missiles - this is an official Rosobronexport chart from the web of theirs.

ALAMO wrote:Because there is no need for it, while the action would require a serious rebuilding of the ship itself.
Including replacing of cabling, antennas etc.
This is extremely costly job.
Rif-M is still a very potent system, considering the fact that at the moment it uses a 48N6E family of missiles combined with 9M96 and 9M96E.
At least if you hear what Rosobronexport has to say about it ;-)

I was always amazed by the waste of space the Rif-M represented just from the beginning, but that was probably done by purpose ...

Isos wrote:And what matters for a ship is being able to destroy anti ship missiles because a fighters won't enter the engagement zone of the ship's missiles anyway. Pantsir and 9m96 is what matters here.

LMFS wrote:

Isos wrote:And what matters for a ship is being able to destroy anti ship missiles because a fighters won't enter the engagement zone of the ship's missiles anyway. Pantsir and 9m96 is what matters here.

The range of the AShM depends on the release altitude and flight profile, so you may need to check the ranges of current air launched AShM in the USN before saying the carrier does not need to get in range of a missile like 40N6... of course it is in the interest of any surface fleet to keep attackers as far as possible with long range SAMs instead of having to stop waves of AShMs fired at point blank distance...

Big_Gazza wrote:I'm probably more interested in what the new main radar installation will look like. What is going to replace the old MR-800 & MR-710?

Shipbuilders to deliver most powerful surface ship to Russian Navy after upgrade