SeigSoloyvov wrote:Replace K with M, my bad on the typos there.
also, the 20386's are more than 300M each.
c'mon but 22160 is not 200mln $
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Replace K with M, my bad on the typos there.
also, the 20386's are more than 300M each.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Replace K with M, my bad on the typos there.
also, the 20386's are more than 300M each.
c'mon but 22160 is not 200mln $![]()
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this is like 7blns Rubles vs 2blns for 22800
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Replace K with M, my bad on the typos there.
also, the 20386's are more than 300M each.
c'mon but 22160 is not 200mln $![]()
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this is like 7blns Rubles vs 2blns for 22800
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Hole wrote:22800 is a small missile ship. It doesn´t need a helicopter.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
22800 is a smaller ship and has fewer features, lacks the facilities for a chopper etc.
All the stuff the 22160 drives it up to that price if you want a modular ship it's going to be pricy.
Still for what the 22160 offers the price is pretty good for what it costs to make.
22800 is a small missile ship. It doesn´t need a helicopter.
GarryB wrote:22800 is a small missile ship. It doesn´t need a helicopter.
Every ship benefits from having a helicopter...
Saving money is nice but having fully multirole ships is worth the extra money as it makes any group of ships much more capable and more flexible.
Obviously a corvette sized ship is not going to be as good at any job as a larger ship, but groups can make up for that... for instance a single corvette might have rather weak anti sub capability, but 3-4 of them operating together might actually be more effective than one large multirole ship... but of course having a helicopter would make them even better... especially a multirole Ka-226T type that could carry different role pods.
kumbor wrote:
Ka-226 is a light helicopter, never intended to be a real ASW helicopter. Bykov class is an OPV, but if so equipped might become a good ASW vessel.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:kumbor wrote:
Ka-226 is a light helicopter, never intended to be a real ASW helicopter. Bykov class is an OPV, but if so equipped might become a good ASW vessel.
Ka-226 payload: up to 1100kg
324mm torpedo weight 250kg
Hole wrote:It also needs dunking sonar, some sonar buoys and maybe a light radar. Could be done, but the range will be relatively low.
Hole wrote:I guess this would be better than Ka-226:
Hole wrote:With the size/weight of the Ka-226 it would be. 2 people need a lot of space.
flamming_python wrote:Absurd to claim that the 22160 costs $200 million. For that money they can almost build a whole Gorshkov
flamming_python wrote:Absurd to claim that the 22160 costs $200 million. For that money they can almost build a whole Gorshkov
It also needs dunking sonar, some sonar buoys and maybe a light radar. Could be done, but the range will be relatively low.
GarryB wrote:
Tiny 324mm torpedoes could also be carried of course... they are less than 400kgs each.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:flamming_python wrote:Absurd to claim that the 22160 costs $200 million. For that money they can almost build a whole Gorshkov
I dont that modulatiry (I mean hull) costs that much. Perhaps some sophisticated equipment not installed in patrol version?
in 2016 22800 was 6 blns rub
https://www.dp.ru/a/2016/05/10/Pella_peredaet_zakazi_
I have been searching but found no official data. Only price 9blns rub. What is possible IMHO for ship with displacement of Stereguschy . Better sea worthiness and speed. Only armament is worse.
Note that Stereguschy is from 13 blns 20380 up to 29 blns for 20386...
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Has of right now 200M USD is the price for 22160's, maybe they will bump the price down in the future as they did with the karakut's and Stere's.
For right now though the ship is a brand new class and you will always pay more than normal for the first few hulls of a new class.
This is how economics works.
MU90 - 300kg