Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

hoom wrote:Couple of pics at Zaliv from https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/112711/

wow dat beauty is fairly rusty

Pretty sure the front one has red primer.

But its pretty standard to just leave construction steel bare rusty like the rear one, you get a thin dusty layer on the surface which actually protects from further corrosion.
Quick sand-blast once all the welding etc is done & then quickly primer before the fresh metal gets much time exposed to oxygen/damp.

Test range gear on the foredeck?

hoom wrote:Test range gear on the foredeck?

There is no such terminology as "test range gear". It can be some "trials equipment" or "telemetric equipment for trials".

PapaDragon wrote:

Hole wrote:Is this a hatch?

Nope, a container

Kind of a portable switchboard, but rather big?

There is no such terminology as "test range gear". It can be some "trials equipment" or "telemetric equipment for trials".

Just highlighting whatever it is

But just realised its not a recent pic (of the 2nd progressing on tests) thats Bykov before it got painted grey.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

hoom wrote:

Size of hulls say one - you can have similar full displacement I.e. you can easily arm 22160 with same weapons but still enjoy better buoyancy,range and top speed.

22160 is actually a lot lighter 1500ton vs 2200+ so (if it doesn't outright capsize/sink) by the time you add the radar, EW & weapons of 20385 to 22160 you're going to have a much heavier 22160 -> much less speed & range for the same fuel/engine.

wiki for 22160

wiki for 20380


Not sure if you noticed that you compare full displacement to standard. Compare also propulsion power. No,fuel volume wont change why? now there are many empty space for modules. Not to mention that originally 22160 had corvette variant with Kalibrs/Paket/Shtill (24 missiles BTW) so it is designed do carry weapons. Why would she capsized?

Compared to 22160 20380 is simply loosing in all categories.

Displacement.............................standard...............max
22160 ...........................................1500t..................???
22380............................................1800t..................2220t

Engine power...............................kW
22160..............................................25 000
20380..............................................17 140

verkhoturye51 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Yup but Drezkyi is poorly equipped in anti-ship capabilities so its better to assumeit has anis sub mainobjective.

It has 8 UKSK cells like frigate classes

20386 Derzky has Kalibrs?! since when? all sources I have access to say 8x Kh 35. 22160 can carry even in patrol version 4xKalibr tho

Initial armament and finaly all missiles only in option disapointing for Russians fans ! only an OPV as this one for Arctic with reinforced hull

At Novorossysk https://barmacode1.livejournal.com/164909.html

Bykov started state tests https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B417/

hoom wrote:At Novorossysk https://barmacode1.livejournal.com/164909.html

wow sexy beasts. Love to see them also in armed versions someday ;-)

Project 22160 stealth ships will be armed with “sea killers” - attack helicopters Ka-52K “Qatran”. In fact, the patrol become universal platforms carrying the latest weapons - they will also receive surface and underwater drones. For the Navy, this will open up new opportunities: drones will be able to find naval targets - trespassers, smugglers and saboteurs. Ships will secretly approach the enemy and deliver a sudden helicopter strike. The state tests of the lead ship of the series “Vasily Bykov” and its sistership “Dmitry Rogachev” are now being completed in Novorossiysk. It is expected that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet by the end of this year.

The decision on the arming of the project 22160 patrol helicopters with the Ka-52K Katran helicopters was made during tests conducted at the Novorossiysk naval base, told Izvestia in the Main Command of the Navy. "Sea killers," as they call these helicopters in the fleet, will work in close conjunction with surface or underwater UAVs based on ships. If necessary, the crews of helicopters will be able to take control of the drone.

The Ka-52K reconnaissance and attack helicopter is capable of striking armored and unarmored vehicles, manpower, surface and air targets. Initially, this machine was developed for the Mistral, therefore, the Katran is equipped with a folding propeller and wing consoles, on which the armament is mounted - subsonic anti-ship missiles X-31 or X-35.

https://iz.ru/793131/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/morskie-ubiitcy-stels-storozheviki-poluchat-udarnye-vertolety

dino00 wrote:Project 22160 stealth ships will be armed with “sea killers” - attack helicopters Ka-52K “Qatran”. In fact, the patrol become universal platforms carrying the latest weapons - they will also receive surface and underwater drones. For the Navy, this will open up new opportunities: drones will be able to find naval targets - trespassers, smugglers and saboteurs. Ships will secretly approach the enemy and deliver a sudden helicopter strike. The state tests of the lead ship of the series “Vasily Bykov” and its sistership “Dmitry Rogachev” are now being completed in Novorossiysk. It is expected that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet by the end of this year.

https://iz.ru/793131/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/morskie-ubiitcy-stels-storozheviki-poluchat-udarnye-vertolety

Yo yo , DAT's mudda fuckin news! wow. I wonder if Ka-52k can also be used in ASW role.

PapaDragon wrote:Funny that they opted to forgo having SAR helicopter in favor of heavy attack platform like 52. Seems like risky approach.

because they want to destroy Ukro-micro-navy with application of Hermes-A missiles

Of course Mi-42 reincarnation could serve both missions

Would it be possible to have another helicopter parked instead of missile container in the back? It should fit since Derzkii-class​ can do it.

unlikely IMHO, it can rather be mission dependent. Either SAR or K-52k

One Ka-255 should fit in the back without problem, it would be wise to have it around just in case.

Ka-226?

Ka-52K fits with the anti-pirate mission.

PapaDragon wrote: Although Bykov does have that armored landing craft so it's possible that they will be offloading transport helicopter duties to it and use Ka-52 to suppress any clowns dumb enough to shoot back

22160 is so called "modular ship" thus Ka-52k can be just one of "mission modules" , BTW this means that Bykov can have 11t MTOW helo. So Ka-27 should be an option for potential ASW application. !!!


BTW Talking about Ka-52K
It has more powerful radar and missile weapons than the basic version. The radar is used as an unusually powerful for helicopters " Zhuk-A " with a target detection range up to 200 km


So we have small AEW too ;-)

And it's unlikely that this ship will be used near Ukraine, Ka-52s can reach any desired point from Crimea no problem

This is juts to pretend strafing run.  Starting form ship. No need for ammo then.

hoom wrote:Ka-52K fits with the anti-pirate mission.

true but Mi-42 fits both SAR & attack alike ;-)

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:........
Ka-226?

Yes, Ka-52 can only carry pilots

Although Bykov does have that armored landing craft so it's possible that they will be offloading transport helicopter duties to it and use Ka-52 to suppress any clowns dumb enough to shoot back

And it's unlikely that this ship will be used near Ukraine, Ka-52s can reach any desired point from Crimea no problem

"Yes, Ka-52 only carry pilots" ???

But for 20 years I`ve thought that Ka-52 is dedicated combat helicopter with many armament options! But if it "only carry pilots" it is small, light observation helicopter then!??

Isos wrote:I would say it is optimized against ground/sea targets so hard to have it as a AEW. It also allows launch of kh-35 at long range without the need to provide them target location data by another plateform

I didnt find any source claiming Zhk-A characteristics were modified for Ka-52 usage. Data below is from 2011 thus I guess now they should be better.
BTW 200km is not for fighter but destroyer size object.

kumbor wrote:
"Yes, Ka-52 only carry pilots"  ???
But for 20 years I`ve thought that Ka-52 is dedicated combat helicopter with many armament options! But if it "only carry pilots" it is small, light observation helicopter then!??

PapaD was talking about how many people Ka-52 can carry...