Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

hoom wrote:It was rumored but didn't see a confirmation before so didn't post https://vk.com/wall-72814627_102858
Bykov has had a flag raising in Sevastopol today 8th. (pic at link is from Navy day I believe)

Until the end of December in Novorossiysk, we plan to raise the flag on the new patrol ship "Vasily Bykov"

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

dino00 wrote:The Russian Navy will adopt the newest patrol ship on December 20

The ceremony of raising the flag of St. Andrew on the ship "Vasily Bykov" will be held in Novorossiysk

MOSCOW, December 16. / TASS /. On December 20, the Russian Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will take in its combat personnel the first newest patrol ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov". This was reported on Saturday in the press service of the Ministry of Defense

The patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" was built at the Zelenodolsk Shipbuilding Plant named after Gorky (Tatarstan) and is designed to protect the territorial waters and the special economic zone, the fight against piracy, rescue operations. Project 22160 ships are capable of a speed of 27 knots, have a displacement of 1500 tons, cruising range is 6000 nautical miles.

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5919472

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

Moving civilian containers with kalibr inside could worry nato and intensify tensions. I doubt russia would use such thing in peace time. Even in war time it could mean they prepare nuk attack and it escalate quickly.

IIRC, US had the same idea with tomahawks but decided to not develop such thing. It could be used for a surprise attack from civilian cargo ships with nuks as a first strike. On satelittes you don't know which container contains kalibrs so any ship coukd carry them.

I don't think russia wants to increase tensions that much with US.

Naval missiles are excluded from INF treaty! Standard civil containers cannot be externally distinguished from containers carrying kalibrs

Hole wrote:We are talking about a military ship loading military containers with military missiles. Nothing civil here.

Isos wrote:

Naval missiles are excluded from INF treaty! Standard civil containers cannot be externally distinguished from containers carrying kalibrs

That's what I said. US can't know if those missiles have nuks or not. They are hidden in a civilian container among thousand of other containers. That would create huge tensions. When a kirov sails you can see it from satelittes when it leaves the port, same for SSBNs. So you can have an idea of what's going on on the seas. But not with a civilian container full of kalibr that may carry nuclear warehead on any cargo ship.

Hole wrote:We are talking about a military ship loading military containers with military missiles. Nothing civil here.

No. We are talking of hidding kalibr in a container that looks like the other thousands of containers present in russian ports.

The container is civilian. At least looks like a civilian container. If they start deploying such containers, no one would know where they are and who carries them.

They can say they are build for this military ship but it can be carried also by any cargo out there and allow a first nuclear strike specially if they make tens of them. So US will deploy some too.

Isos wrote:That would lead to no discussion but an arm race. That's too much. And russia doesn't want that. US can't know what is deployed but they can know what is produced. If they discover that russia produce such container for UAV it's ok but if they find out they put kalibr inside or new iskander it's gonna be too much.

PapaDragon wrote:
I was asking about containers with Kh-35 not Kalibr

Bykov was supposed to get those, next one was supposed to get Kalibr

Hole wrote:No treaty prevents the production or use of sea-borne cruise missiles.